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Post by thebet365 on Mar 6, 2024 9:55:04 GMT
I saw the incident, both in full speed and the replays. Pearson is hardly moving at all, just positioning his body to hinder him. Nothing dangerous at all. Hardly an impact to be honest. Come on really ? He steps into James on purpose and fully shoves him over by lifting his arm as he makes contact. That's not blocking someone, you run across the front of someones path and stop dead to block someone bit like what Wilmot did straight after. It was a deliberate foul and a yellow. I can't see how you can accuse the ref of being bent when he didn't give the stonewall penalty to them in the 1st half, shit yeah but not bent.
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Post by jokker on Mar 6, 2024 10:00:25 GMT
I'll have to ask your own question: did you even see what happened? The Leeds player is watching the game, not Pearson, and he does not expect to have to "go around defenders". Pearson has no time for football, he just steps in front of the opponent, and for no reason at all, because they're both away from the ball, which means the player did not even represent any imminent danger to Stoke. So it appears to be more a retaliation thing from some incident earlier on, or perhaps some game in the past. It's not a yellow card - it's a straight red. I saw the incident, both in full speed and the replays. Pearson is hardly moving at all, just positioning his body to hinder him. Nothing dangerous at all. Hardly an impact to be honest. Players are required to see where they're going. You can't expect to run freely without knowing where a defender is. That's dangerous play, just like trying an overhead kick without knowing if a defender is trying to head it. I suspect James not only did know, he also went down as soon as he touched Pearson. And the ref got what he wanted - the big club (soon to be PL, so he can ref there) won. Compare it to the block on Junho earlier, that resulted in a free kick, even if it was done with much more force and maliciousness. Your hatred of Pearson is clouding your judgement. You wouldn't have thought this if it was Burger or any other player of ours. Perhaps I should retort that your love of anyone in a Stoke shirt is clouding your judgment, but I've had enough of you targetting me instead of what happened on the pitch. I will not discuss with you again.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2024 10:37:51 GMT
Ok, severely biased, then. Your logic falls flat on its arse when he didn’t give a clear penalty to them in the first half.
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Post by idle on Mar 6, 2024 10:47:24 GMT
Ok, severely biased, then. Your logic falls flat on its arse when he didn’t give a clear penalty to them in the first half. But he also didn't book the attack on Campbell and the block on Junho (which was worse than Pearsons). I call that biased and frankly discrimination. He was home-reffing, which we almost never have.
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Post by noustie on Mar 6, 2024 10:47:45 GMT
The reaction after was interesting - seemed to cut quite an isolated and lonely figure as he left the pitch.
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Post by stokefanone on Mar 6, 2024 12:11:34 GMT
I didnt think it was a sending off really, but pearson should know better though, and is fully to blame for being sent off.
I dont think we would have got an equaliser anyway, though we did perform more confidently and coherant than we have been. we looked decent second half, hopefully we can perform with same confidence against PNE and manage a couple of goals.
REST OSF SEASON?
14 points should keep us up, can see us just about managing 4 wins and 2 drawers if we keep up Saturdays and 2nd half last night levels. Home form has to be good, must win 3 at least. Hoping last Saturdays performance was not just a one off.
imperative we get something on saturday
Need us fans also to be positive.
living in hope!!!!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 6, 2024 12:20:21 GMT
Never a second yellow for me.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Mar 6, 2024 12:24:40 GMT
Shame,he played really well in the time he was on the pitch. He did make a difference. You will never change him.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Mar 6, 2024 12:28:55 GMT
I thought he came on and played pretty well.
Didn't see the sending off so can't comment but it's a shame as he was doing OK I thought.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2024 12:43:05 GMT
He was excellent when he came on and it was never a sending off. If you've been listening to Angela on the radio ignore what she said, she was totally wrong I saw the incident in real time but only saw the coming together, I didn't really see the detail. I based my opinion on listening to Sohail and Ange and they made it sound like he had deliberately targeted the Leeds player 5 yards in front of the ref. It will be interesting to see any replays to see whether Pearson adjusted his direction to deliberately block James or whether it really was just a normal contact. I'm going to take back some of my criticism of Angela here as I normally do very much enjoy the comms on radio stoke and everyone was providing an instant reaction to a situation that just occurred.i appreciate that the commentary team don't 'dislike' the player and are commenting on the situation as they see it. I think everyone jumps to a conclusion quickly on Pearson because of his reputation, but I felt he was excellent last night for us, and was harshly treated by the referee. Predictably he's the fall guy again, when the fact is he showed what a good player he is and got us on top for a good twenty minutes or so. We'll need him in the run in
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Mar 6, 2024 12:44:47 GMT
His attitude &discipline are not right. He is a walking booking as soon as he enters the field. And for him to not acknowledge the players or fans is disgusting. He needs to grow up and stop spitting his dummy out. With his attitude Schumacher won't pick him and don't blame him. He misses more games through suspensions than he plays in. He wouldn't play for Stoke again with that attitude.if it was left to me. Get rid in the summer
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Mar 6, 2024 12:50:36 GMT
Give me Joe Allen over Ben Pearson all day long
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Mar 6, 2024 12:51:09 GMT
Seriously no matter how annoying ‘walking yellow card Pearson’ is, now is not the time to have a go. Fans hurling abuse at him will only cause more problems.
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Mar 6, 2024 13:08:35 GMT
What does he expect seriously. He doesn't exactly get on the right side of the fans with the things he does does he. We don't need players like that in the situation we are in. Hope we get rid in the summer because with his attitude he shouldn't be anywhere near the first team
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Post by redandy on Mar 6, 2024 13:10:23 GMT
Shame,he played really well in the time he was on the pitch. He did make a difference. You will never change him. From my perspective, when he came on I thought he had a calming influence, made a intelligent passes to keep possesion. But then maybe he's off the pace/not fit enough/not 100% mentally, then the yellows start raining down. There's a hell of a player in there somewhere, I've seen him dominate Stoke several times with Preston. We hated playing against him.
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 6, 2024 13:37:23 GMT
Seriously no matter how annoying ‘walking yellow card Pearson’ is, now is not the time to have a go. Fans hurling abuse at him will only cause more problems. So what then? We applaude him? He deserves all he gets the unprofessional prick🔴⚪️
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Post by fca47 on Mar 6, 2024 13:43:48 GMT
I think he is targeted by teams and referees, but he doesn't help himself by not walking away from potential trouble.
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Post by insideright on Mar 6, 2024 14:45:08 GMT
the bloke is a brain dead moron & a complete liability! he shouldn't have to worry about abuse because he should never be allowed in the ground again! I said at the beginning of the season he'd get sent off 5 times a season in a Stoke shirt and the only reason he hasn't is because he's been suspended or dropped for half of it
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Post by jokker on Mar 6, 2024 15:12:01 GMT
I saw the incident in real time but only saw the coming together, I didn't really see the detail. I based my opinion on listening to Sohail and Ange and they made it sound like he had deliberately targeted the Leeds player 5 yards in front of the ref. It will be interesting to see any replays to see whether Pearson adjusted his direction to deliberately block James or whether it really was just a normal contact. I'm going to take back some of my criticism of Angela here as I normally do very much enjoy the comms on radio stoke and everyone was providing an instant reaction to a situation that just occurred.i appreciate that the commentary team don't 'dislike' the player and are commenting on the situation as they see it. I think everyone jumps to a conclusion quickly on Pearson because of his reputation, but I felt he was excellent last night for us, and was harshly treated by the referee. Predictably he's the fall guy again, when the fact is he showed what a good player he is and got us on top for a good twenty minutes or so. We'll need him in the run in We'll need him like a fish needs the sands in sahara... He deliberately got himself sent off in his comeback game after a suspension - what are the chances of him doing exactly the same again, if there's an opponent he has unfinished business with? This was not some blockout in his brain or whatever. He's got these grudges against people and he's done exactly this before, been sent off before, although he might have got away with it lots of times. Perhaps he thinks he's Roy Keane reincarnated. I agree that he can be a good player, but he needs to behave like one, not some kid who doesn't know what's wrong or right. He's not a kid at 28, is he... I'm sure Schuhmacher will have Pearson in his office - if a head coach has one, if not then the boot room. He'll tell him what previous managers, including Alex Neil, have tried to tell him and it hasn't worked.
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Post by Gods on Mar 6, 2024 15:20:33 GMT
Give me Joe Allen over Ben Pearson all day long Of course, we all would, but Joe was a proper player, a Premier League man with 75 international caps.
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Post by spiderpuss on Mar 6, 2024 17:06:54 GMT
Thought the second yellow was a joke, somebody throwing themselves to the floor during a challenge is just pathetic. That said, Ben is just prone to collecting cards from the second he's on the pitch. You can see why the manager is using other options.
Will he be here next season? Not if Shuey is, would be my thinking.
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Post by thicknthin on Mar 6, 2024 17:36:04 GMT
Anyone think it was deliberate, to avoid sitting on the bench at his old club?
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Post by jokker on Mar 6, 2024 17:42:33 GMT
Thought the second yellow was a joke, somebody throwing themselves to the floor during a challenge is just pathetic. That said, Ben is just prone to collecting cards from the second he's on the pitch. You can see why the manager is using other options. Will he be here next season? Not if Shuey is, would be my thinking. We can't get rid of him, because of his extensive contract, and because who will buy a player that is suspended half the time. However, Schuhmacher sounded sort of sympathetic to him after the game. He might try and be the one manager who can stop Pearson from getting into trouble. I wish him luck in that endeavour...
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Post by wakeypotter on Mar 6, 2024 17:45:55 GMT
Seriously no matter how annoying ‘walking yellow card Pearson’ is, now is not the time to have a go. Fans hurling abuse at him will only cause more problems. I agree with this, don’t like his attitude though. The stoke fans applauded him off and he never looked at the fans at all
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 6, 2024 17:50:57 GMT
Seriously no matter how annoying ‘walking yellow card Pearson’ is, now is not the time to have a go. Fans hurling abuse at him will only cause more problems. Not sure I follow that logic. Accepting his ill discipline is surely more harmful than sending a message that he's letting us down? If anything 'now' is not the time for it's indulging overweight mardarses who can't stay on the pitch.
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 6, 2024 18:08:02 GMT
Seriously no matter how annoying ‘walking yellow card Pearson’ is, now is not the time to have a go. Fans hurling abuse at him will only cause more problems. Not sure I follow that logic. Accepting his ill discipline is surely more harmful than sending a message that he's letting us down? If anything 'now' is not the time for it's indulging overweight mardarses who can't stay on the pitch. Bang on mate🔴⚪️
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 6, 2024 18:08:39 GMT
Let’s not give him too much shit…might destroy his confidence 🙄🤦🏼♂️😂🔴⚪️
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Post by mcw on Mar 6, 2024 18:48:52 GMT
Just looking at him and listening to him you can tell he is the type of character that is not too far away from imploding. We all knew what we were getting, a feisty combative midfielder with a nasty streak but it appears that he may have crossed some kind of mental threshold OR the game has softened massively over the last 2/3 years to the extent that he can't get away with playing how he used to. I don't know what the answer is as if you take that side out of him then maybe it takes away from his game, but to be honest he hasn't looked that great over the period he has been with us full stop.
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Post by tuum on Mar 6, 2024 19:25:10 GMT
I saw the incident, both in full speed and the replays. Pearson is hardly moving at all, just positioning his body to hinder him. Nothing dangerous at all. Hardly an impact to be honest. Come on really ? He steps into James on purpose and fully shoves him over by lifting his arm as he makes contact. That's not blocking someone, you run across the front of someones path and stop dead to block someone bit like what Wilmot did straight after. It was a deliberate foul and a yellow. I can't see how you can accuse the ref of being bent when he didn't give the stonewall penalty to them in the 1st half, shit yeah but not bent. Funny how people can see the same thing so differently. I suppose that's why the Police no longer prefer to rely on eye witness testimony. I was not happy yesterday with Pearson but having seen both booking incidents on the highlights I think he was done by a ref who was aware of Pearson's reputation. Both his bookings were at the low end of the scale and I think the majority of refs would not have booked him twice. Both of them could be deemed as bookable with overly fussy refs but if the ref was overly fussy then he didn't seem to apply it consistently. I did not see that as a stonewall penalty. I saw a block tackle. Iversen played the ball and James fell over as a result of the tackle. It was not the case that James nipped the ball away from Iversen and was then clattered. Iversen won the ball in a tackle.
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 6, 2024 19:30:12 GMT
I’ll defend most players. And managers.
I genuinely want to give them every chance to succeed.
But his attitude stinks. He’s made zero effort to buy into the recent attempts to galvanise us .
Sorry but he can fuck off. I’d be happy if he never wore the shirt again.
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