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Fuller
Dec 9, 2007 22:29:51 GMT
Post by potters 22 on Dec 9, 2007 22:29:51 GMT
FFS raf we are fcukin 5th! Yes fuller is on a barron run in front of goal but every striker goes thru spells like this,he will come good again thats for sure! You slag a team thats getting results and are actually gelling as a TEAM who want to play for our manager. Why not get behind the team for once eh instead of picking fault at every mortal thing.
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Fuller
Dec 9, 2007 22:45:18 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2007 22:45:18 GMT
Should never be dropped, he has the ability to turn a game on its arse in seconds. He will start scoring again soon.
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Fuller
Dec 10, 2007 8:54:43 GMT
Post by RAF on Dec 10, 2007 8:54:43 GMT
Potters22 , I am not slagging the team off, I am suggesting that Fuller was poor today because he should have scored 1 and provided another 2 if he had looked up. In fact I think the bloke is class, but when he plays poorly it deserves a mention just like any other player who has a bad game. I don't think he should be dropped , I would just like to see him and Cresswell play up front together a bit more.
And for one last fucking time, I am always behind the team, even if I don't like what I see sometimes. It is possible to get behind the team without being a happy clapper and not seeing the mistakes you know Potters.
I also think a draw was a good result against the league leaders, but I'm just a bit disappointed because we should have won, and for me the reasons we didn't were Fullers mistakes.
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Jimbo
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Fuller
Dec 10, 2007 10:18:47 GMT
Post by Jimbo on Dec 10, 2007 10:18:47 GMT
Fuller is a quality player at this level and only needs a goal for his confidence, and more will follow. He terrorises defenders and is very difficult to play against. I agree that he needs to look up more, and probably his greatest weakness is also his strength of running at people. He's brilliant at getting past his man, but too often he turns back inside and tries to beat him again.
That said, I remember plenty of times last season when he was beating his man and laying it off to a team mate who then missed a good chance. So really if Fuller was bang in-form we wouldn't be having this debate!
On the point of Sidibe, I agree with many that he really does need to start contributing some goals. Nobody could deny the important role he plays in holding up the ball and bringing others into play, but he also needs to provide an end product if his role is as striker. Unfortunately Pulis' gameplan is so direct that it is reliant on Mama.
I think Parkin would be a better option as he can hold the ball, but is also good with his feet and has a goal threat. Only problem is he lacks Sidibe's presence in the air, but if we didn't rely on long-balls this would be less of an issue.
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Fuller
Dec 10, 2007 10:23:43 GMT
Post by DansViews on Dec 10, 2007 10:23:43 GMT
RAF i thought you were not going to stoke games anymore?
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Fuller
Dec 10, 2007 10:51:38 GMT
Post by OldStokie on Dec 10, 2007 10:51:38 GMT
H, as usual, you're talking out of your arse. Fuller should carry on exactly as he is doing. He's a brilliant striker and he should take every single opportunity he can to have a blast at goal and not pass it off to mere mortals who usually miss anyway. All good strikers go through barren spells. Owen, Lineker and Shearer all spring to mind here. Whether he scores more than 15 goals....I dunno...but he should continue as he is now. That's all. M. Ps, you have Yahoo mail, you tosser.
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Fuller
Dec 10, 2007 11:01:00 GMT
Post by thepremierbanksy on Dec 10, 2007 11:01:00 GMT
"I just don't think he has much confidence in many of the others around him and he thinks he may as well go it alone"
Was about to say this myself. Mama just loses his nerve if he has the ball in a good spot and time to think. It will always be tempting for TP to keep Cresswell out wide if he is scoring plenty from there, which he is.
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Fuller
Dec 10, 2007 11:40:06 GMT
Post by Vestan Pance on Dec 10, 2007 11:40:06 GMT
H,
I can see your point, i thought he was at fault yesterday, however i would respectfully point out that if you were playing up front with Sidibe, you may be somewhat reticent in distributing the ball.
Sidibe is a grafter, but he couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat. Fuller's greed may be borne from neccessity rather than narcissism.
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Fuller
Dec 10, 2007 11:47:27 GMT
Post by crashbandicoot on Dec 10, 2007 11:47:27 GMT
Would agree with Jamo that you can tell he hasnt got the confidence in the players around him, that said beacuse its fuller the longer it takes for him to break his duct the less chance he will lay a chance to someone else
and its all fair enough saying put cresswell upfront, i think he should be but can you honestly see pulis dropping mama, i dont think he will
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Fuller
Dec 10, 2007 11:49:32 GMT
Post by crashbandicoot on Dec 10, 2007 11:49:32 GMT
i agree with jamo that you can tell fuller hasnt got the confidence in the players around him but untill he breaks his duct i cant see him giving a chance to anyone else
i think cresswell should be upfront but i cant see pulis dropping mama can you?
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Fuller
Dec 10, 2007 12:38:20 GMT
Post by RAF on Dec 10, 2007 12:38:20 GMT
You thought very wrong then young Daniel, I have never ever said that. Not that it has fuck all to do with this thread, or you to be honest. OS I am compiling my response to your email. What you mean squandering chances then? Yes carry on Ricardo Dixie I agree , however Cressy was there a couple of times and he knows how to notch. H
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Fuller
Dec 10, 2007 13:01:34 GMT
Post by bolly_premprem on Dec 10, 2007 13:01:34 GMT
last season, I said something in a thread and got shouted at but im going to say it again
I think fuller should start on the bench for a couple of matches and brought on as a sub, every time he has come on as a sub he has looked really hungry, and now that he is missing a few chances, it might just give him the kick up the ass he needs to spark the form back off
put cressie up front, he deserves it
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Fuller
Dec 10, 2007 15:16:35 GMT
Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 10, 2007 15:16:35 GMT
RAF...You must have watched the game on the TV, because Fuller was our only likely goal threat from open play all game. In fact, this is so in practically every game we play.
I have noticed that he is starting to strike up something of an understanding with Lawrence, and Eustace, but your comments on yesterday are off the mark in my opinion.
He missed chances he should have scored, but he was awesome at times and nobody else in our team would have been on the end of those chances in the first place.
Fuller is a class act, the best player we have, and but for his finishing yesterday, was by far and away the best player on the pitch.
I can't quite believe that anyone would knock him...If I was Fuller I wouldn't pass to any of the others either!
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Fuller
Dec 10, 2007 15:19:26 GMT
Post by soicowboy on Dec 10, 2007 15:19:26 GMT
'RAF...You must have watched the game on the TV, because Fuller was our only likely goal threat from open play all game'
Didn't he play as well on TV? ???
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Fuller
Dec 10, 2007 15:26:57 GMT
Post by MrMagic on Dec 10, 2007 15:26:57 GMT
I generally agree with your points there Jamo. On Sunday though, there were a few occasions where Fuller failed to look up and see where his team-mates were, choosing instead to try to plough a lone furrow through the entire Watford defence.
I think that Sunday was an example of him being aware of not having scored for a bit, and wanting it a bit too much. I also lean toward the arguement, that says, if he's supposed to be the best in the league, why is he not up there with the top scorers?
On a positive note, he seems to have sorted his temper somewhat.
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Fuller
Dec 10, 2007 15:27:57 GMT
Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 10, 2007 15:27:57 GMT
Obviously not SOI...as you well know, watching the game on TV can give a totally different perspective from being at the game as the TV cameras follow the ball.
Hence you don't see the work of Rikki off the ball...you don't get a real view of his own angles as he progresses on his runs and as such your views can be somewhat blinkered by missed chances or bad passes etc.
Rikki went on a superb run after about 10 mins, squared it for his team mates, only for everyone to be stood watching. The keeper then got lucky on one effort, he then went on an amazing run following good work from Delap, but didn't get enough purchase on his lofted shot, and he burst clear at the end only to dally and miss a glorious chance.
In the run of the game, Fuller was the one class act on the pitch, and maybe that wasn't evident from the TV. Every time he had the ball at his feet or anywhere near him, they panicked and they couldn't handle him.
Yes he missed chances, but his all round performance was excellent. It is only a matter of time before the goals arrive...probably a brace at the weekend.
As for ignoring better placed teammates, then Mr Cresswell is the prime example of such a thing...two incidents involving Dicko yesterday spring immediately to mind. He is excused such lapses though, because really he should be playing up front!
EDIT - magic...at times mate, Owen and Shearer would struggle to score goals in this side. We create little from open play, relying heavily on set pieces, and Fuller generally feeds off his own work or scraps from Mama's flick on's. Put him in West Brom's side, and he would be right up there.
He has 7 goals already, and will be close to 20 come the end of the season if he stays injury and suspension free.
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Fuller
Dec 10, 2007 15:51:30 GMT
Post by bolly_premprem on Dec 10, 2007 15:51:30 GMT
maybe he was tryig to get himslef noticed by managers who might be watching TV, just a thought of course.
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Fuller
Dec 10, 2007 16:16:36 GMT
Post by BraveSirRobin on Dec 10, 2007 16:16:36 GMT
I didnt think he missed the chances,the Keeper made good saves!
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Fuller
Dec 10, 2007 16:57:05 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2007 16:57:05 GMT
I thought Watfords keeper was very good. The only one mistake he made the referee helped him out the shit with anyhow. He basically saved Watfords bacon Yesterday.
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Fuller
Dec 10, 2007 17:04:05 GMT
Post by RAF on Dec 10, 2007 17:04:05 GMT
Actually Dave watching the game on TV gives you a miles better view than at the stadium, especially with replays. My comments are totally in line with what the commentators were saying and had Fuller looked up a couple of times and passed we would have scored. That my friend is fact, I don't know what you thought you saw yesterday, but the reason we only drew was down to Fuller. I know he is class and have said so several times in this thread alone, but he is having a goal drought and he needs to start being more aware. I also find it quite laughable that people think they see more from the stadium, sorry that just isn't true where ouir attacks were concerned. I've no doubt about his class or workload, I just think yesterday he was culpable of some mistakes which cost us a good win. I don't want him hung I just want some acknowledgement that he made some mistakes, because some people seem to think he is beyond reproach because he is our best player. As for scoring 20 goals this season, I doubt it, but I hope I'm wrong.
H
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Fuller
Dec 10, 2007 18:12:31 GMT
Post by BraveSirRobin on Dec 10, 2007 18:12:31 GMT
You will get no acknowlegement! He is beyond reproach I am always right
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Fuller
Dec 10, 2007 18:23:24 GMT
Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 10, 2007 18:23:24 GMT
Fair play on the replay situation...I haven't watched the televised version yet so can't comment.
From being at the game, Fuller was our only hope of scoring from open play, regardless of his misses or his ability to spot his team mates. After about 5 minutes, he skinned their full back and covering midfielder, and squared the ball for his team mates who stood back in admiration.
I wouldn't pass if I was him either to be honest.
Granted he missed chances, but if you think his performance yesterday was bad, you should have seen his anonymous efforts v Bristol City (you did I think), Crystal Palace and even the home games v Coventry and Shef Utd.
Yesterday was a much better effort from Rikki and he is far from being above criticism...I just don't think his performance merits it from yesterday. The goals will come, and with 7 already, and two this coming weekend ;D he will have 9 to his name and won't be far off the top scorers in the division.
If we keep playing how we have these last 4 games or so, then he will get close to 20 goals...Play like we did at Burnley, and he will be lucky to score another all season!
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Fuller
Dec 10, 2007 19:24:24 GMT
Post by AlliG on Dec 10, 2007 19:24:24 GMT
"had Fuller looked up a couple of times and passed we would have scored. That my friend is fact" Please don't say that Sidibie was the option who was guaranteed to score.
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Fuller
Dec 10, 2007 20:25:21 GMT
Post by clactonpotter on Dec 10, 2007 20:25:21 GMT
I thought the commentators comments about Fullers performance were quite apt.
We all know he has the ability and that strikers mentality to be a little single minded.It was a pity that he failed to pass/distribute the ball when this was the better option.
Both he and Cresswell need to go on a male bonding trip either for the weekend or have some one on one time on the training pitch to help develop their relationship.They don't seem to be hitting it off and this is to the detriment of both the individuals concerned and the team as a whole.
They both have talent ,yet they seemed to function as individuals....whereas working together the pair would be an awesome strike force. They need to get an understanding !
On another note...how many of those throw-ins did we connect with.
As a potential weapon they are as good as having a corner or a winger putting in good crosses....but what a waste of a brilliant resource!
Get the lads back onto the training pitch and sort out how they should be attacking AND winning these throw-ins when they are put into the penalty area.
More movement please in the area - we must have got about 25% and Watford 75% of the throw-ins into their area. ' More use of the wings as well please....and changing the subject a bit ,my, were not Burnley a revelation at Wolves ? Some superb skills by footballers passing the ball to each other ...running into space and generally enjoying themselves with the ball.That's the way to express yourself on the pitch!
And finally,picking up on what the commentator said. Are we three million in debt every year?
And really finally...keep up the brilliant work Tony P. One of the most "badged-up" managers in the league!!
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Fuller
Dec 10, 2007 20:37:49 GMT
Post by gibby1409 on Dec 10, 2007 20:37:49 GMT
DaveJohno1
You say Owen or Shearer would struggle to score in this side? How many teams have scored more than us this season? I think we have probably all lost sight of this, admittedly a lot from set pieces, but hey, what the hell, they all count!
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Fuller
Dec 10, 2007 20:52:53 GMT
Post by luke45 on Dec 10, 2007 20:52:53 GMT
I am struggling to grasp how fuller is getting described like this:
"He's a greedy cuntbag, which you would think is a good thing!"
how many times has his greediness resulted in goals?
alot, he on sunday ran at players and beat them, fair enough a few times he maybe should have passed, but the point is, before the bad run of form, he was being praised all ends up.
Is this how it's going to be?, one player has a dip in form and this is the response he get's, get real! he's a goalscorer, and one of the best strikers we have had at this club for a while, easily the best striker since thorney.
As said many times before, he would probably score alot more playing alongside cresswell, with mama behind them.
His effort was excellent on sunday, he chased defenders and the keeper down through-out, which in the past we have sometimes seen him reluctant to do.
Fuller's goal-scoring touch will return, all players have bad spells, and if this is his " bad spell " then it really does show how good he can be, because i thought he had a pretty good game on sunday, and their goalies heroics kept them in it at the end.
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Fuller
Dec 10, 2007 20:56:41 GMT
Post by dannyscfc on Dec 10, 2007 20:56:41 GMT
Probably one of the best players to watch yesterday If a player has a dip in form, he shouldn't be straight out of the team! Come on!
You slag the team when they lose, you slag them when they win. They're 5th in the table! What's wrong with you!
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Fuller
Dec 10, 2007 21:35:45 GMT
Post by stevetheboater on Dec 10, 2007 21:35:45 GMT
Jamo, you got me thinking, does Ric EVER pass to Mama, even if he is in a better position? I like Mama but he is rarely the one in possession when we have a scoring position unless he's gone all the way on his own. He's definitely a play maker rather than a finisher and I think he contributes enough to justify his place the team, even if that contribution is hard to define using words like "striker" or "midfielder."
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Fuller
Dec 10, 2007 21:40:58 GMT
Post by stokieg on Dec 10, 2007 21:40:58 GMT
I dont know why he doesnt mix it up a bit by putting fuller or mama on the wing for parts of the match??
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Fuller
Dec 15, 2007 21:57:10 GMT
Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 15, 2007 21:57:10 GMT
Raf...See my comments from Monday 10th December. Fuller has 7 already and come Saturday, he will have 9 to his name! ;D I really am always right mate! Get in there!
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