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Post by idle on Feb 12, 2024 9:23:51 GMT
We need to stay up. I don't want us to go down to the pits of L1. The road back is long and hard, and it will not get easier by going down. BUT, if we manage to stay up, could we please take it as a positive sign? There so much negativity on here, so much entitlement and piss poor "fans" only seeing the negatives in every-fucking-thing we do. Some are so negative that even when the players do something good they just shrug and think it was lucky.We don't have a god-given rigth to be in the PL, we don't have the god-given right to go up, or to waltz over the other clubs who are trying just as hard as us to progress. Even if we have rich owners. Luton got to the PL without any outside money at all. The club owned and operated by fans cooperating. Money is a cushion, something to cover up the mistakes being done, a pillow on which we sleep while others work hard. They will come down here again and maybe never go up again. But they proved it can be done with hard work and a vision, leadership with a bullshit filter willing to prioritise and getting rid of grafters and people not willing to work hard to improve. And before some of you plonkers start: NO ONE IS SAYING IT'S THE FANS FAULT! It's not our fault we've appointed poor managers, signed poor players, hired poor management, etc. But as SJW posted, we need to stick together. That goes for the players, the staff and the fans. Nothing happens on it's own. We have to work for it, and we have to work together. VIS UNTIA FORTIOR It would be great if all the fans saved any booing till the moment we are mathematically relegated and gave unwavering vocal support 100% of the time up till that point. Won't happen though. Not based on what happened at Blackburn however. Crowd mentality. Sadly it won't be long till that turns to fisticuffs between the fans based on how the team are performing. This is all starting to smell pretty rank if you ask me..... I don't even think we should reserve booing for when we go down, but reserve it for those who don't work hard, don't track back, those who don't even try and those who go down feigning injury! But at the same time we need to cheer for those that do: when Burger wins a ball and passes through to the strikers, when the CBs win a last ditch tackle, when Iversen/Bonham makes a save, when we try to shoot from 20 yards, when we try to win!
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 12, 2024 9:28:23 GMT
It would be great if all the fans saved any booing till the moment we are mathematically relegated and gave unwavering vocal support 100% of the time up till that point. Won't happen though. Not based on what happened at Blackburn however. Crowd mentality. Sadly it won't be long till that turns to fisticuffs between the fans based on how the team are performing. This is all starting to smell pretty rank if you ask me..... I don't even think we should reserve booing for when we go down, but reserve it for those who don't work hard, don't track back, those who don't even try and those who go down feigning injury! But at the same time we need to cheer for those that do: when Burger wins a ball and passes through to the strikers, when the CBs win a last ditch tackle, when Iversen/Bonham makes a save, when we try to shoot from 20 yards, when we try to win! Problem is however, that its starting to look pretty obvious some of our players are not putting in the required work. This is irritating a growing number of fans.... Its a deteriorating situation...
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 12, 2024 9:34:27 GMT
Would we do well in Div 1?
Put it this way,if we offered 80%. Of our players to Port Vale & Crewe for Free,how many would they take?
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Post by haway on Feb 12, 2024 10:09:44 GMT
At this point a reset and watching us being competitive in div 1 may be for the best. Though woth this lot in charge I will pro be watching conference before the decade is out. Looks a lot like snake oil being sold from the top. Sounds familiar this. If we get relegated to league 1 then it will be a disaster for the club. Ask any Sunderland fan how hard it is to get out of that league. Yep, it’s very difficult most of the time. Do you have many good young players coming through at your academy? I only ask because we had to start looking to use ours more when we went down to the 3rd division.
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Post by idle on Feb 12, 2024 10:42:57 GMT
Sounds familiar this. If we get relegated to league 1 then it will be a disaster for the club. Ask any Sunderland fan how hard it is to get out of that league. Yep, it’s very difficult most of the time. Do you have many good young players coming through at your academy? I only ask because we had to start looking to use ours more when we went down to the 3rd division. We do, but wheter they are good enough to thrive in the physical L1 remains to be seen. Our youth setup have produced a few good players in the last 6-7 years, so that's one plus we do have. Q: Are we correct when we say that L1 is even more physical than the championship? Or is it just that the technical skills are lower, so the physicality shines more?
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Post by haway on Feb 12, 2024 10:55:27 GMT
Yep, it’s very difficult most of the time. Do you have many good young players coming through at your academy? I only ask because we had to start looking to use ours more when we went down to the 3rd division. We do, but wheter they are good enough to thrive in the physical L1 remains to be seen. Our youth setup have produced a few good players in the last 6-7 years, so that's one plus we do have. Q: Are we correct when we say that L1 is even more physical than the championship? Or is it just that the technical skills are lower, so the physicality shines more? League one is very physical, especially in away fixtures. There’ll be a few ‘technical’ teams like Peterborough or Oxford who like to play it on the floor, but I’d say a fair amount (80%+) are very direct and physical. 4-4-2 with a couple of big strikers going for aerial duels etc. That’s what it was like for us, might have changed in the last 2 years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2024 11:09:30 GMT
We had this shit when we were in the PL. Why don’t people learn? Battling to stay in the Premier League is one thing. Not being able to compete in the Championship, very consistently, is another. I get the OP's sentiment. I want to see us competing again. If someone has a crystal ball and can see us as a competitive, pushing-for-promotion side in the Championship at some stage, let me know how far away that looks. I get that people have no belief that if we went down, we might not magically find a way to get back up, straight away. It mirrors my belief, that we're a million miles away from being a respected Championship club, once again. If relegation brought about a fundamental change in the way we run this football club, and the stark alternative to that was, we just keep doing what we've always done for the past 6, 7, or 8 years - I think I know which I'd take.
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Post by deeside2 on Feb 12, 2024 12:54:08 GMT
If (more than likely When) we are relegated to League One with the current atmosphere and environment within the club I'm very worried that we'd just find ourselves in a similar position yet again this time next year. The whole culture, ethos, style, in fact everything about the club needs to change to finally bottom out so that we can start the long climb back. At the present time I have no confidence whatsoever that the current management/hierarchy and playing staff would be capable of arresting our seemingly endless decline even in a lower division. It's absolutely disgraceful that we find ourselves in this position bearing in mind the facilities and finance that the club has had available even since we were relegated. This is just rinse and repeat of our last relegation. Lessons learned ? I think not.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 12, 2024 12:58:13 GMT
A relegation is never a good idea.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 12, 2024 13:16:22 GMT
Chances are we'd struggle in Div 1. A reset would come whether planned or not.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Feb 12, 2024 13:34:50 GMT
Nonsense to suggest need to go down to come back
This reset cliche, a good manager will come into a club and turn a team around in time without dropping down a division.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Feb 12, 2024 13:43:05 GMT
I hope we go down. Then next season we should purposely play rubbish and get relegated again. If nobody notices we’re doing it on purpose then do it again. Then we can piss the conference, it’ll be great seeing us winning games.
FFS
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Post by chigstoke on Feb 12, 2024 13:56:44 GMT
At this point a reset and watching us being competitive in div 1 may be for the best. Though woth this lot in charge I will pro be watching conference before the decade is out. Looks a lot like snake oil being sold from the top. On what planet is a reset in league 1 a good idea? Why have people not gotten past this whole reset idea like it's going to fix the issues at the club that stem right from the top? We could be in league 2 and people would still be saying 'well maybe a reset in league 2 wouldn't be a bad idea and would be nice to see us beating league 2 teams and winning the league'. When a club is in crisis mode like ours, a relegation will absolutely cripple us for so many years ahead. We go down, we don't come back up for at least 5/6 years minimum, probably closer to 10, that's how fucking bad I think we are, top to bottom.
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Post by danceswithclams on Feb 12, 2024 14:16:10 GMT
I hope we go down. Then next season we should purposely play rubbish and get relegated again. If nobody notices we’re doing it on purpose then do it again. Then we can piss the conference, it’ll be great seeing us winning games. FFS We wouldn't be able to do this without Pulis* *Or without rebuilding The Vic exactly how it was, changing the badge, appointing Jon Walters/Glen Whelan to the coaching staff plus a load of other fuckheaded backwards-looking shit.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Feb 12, 2024 14:48:40 GMT
I hope we go down. Then next season we should purposely play rubbish and get relegated again. If nobody notices we’re doing it on purpose then do it again. Then we can piss the conference, it’ll be great seeing us winning games. FFS We wouldn't be able to do this without Pulis* *Or without rebuilding The Vic exactly how it was, changing the badge, appointing Jon Walters/Glen Whelan to the coaching staff plus a load of other fuckheaded backwards-looking shit. Wow I can’t believe I hadn’t thought about it. When we get to the conference we hire Pulis! We’ll win every game to nil in that tinpot league and then he can have his knighthood once we conquer Europe with our reserves and half a bench. And forget that fanzone rubbish. What we need is a proper Walfordeaque market!
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Post by Northy on Feb 12, 2024 17:10:14 GMT
No, no, no and no, and just to repeat myself NO
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