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Post by Ron on Feb 11, 2024 9:43:43 GMT
I just can’t have fans settling for a relegation… bullshit!! We need to stay up we cannot accept anything but survival.
The younger “Stoke go down we all go down crew” will be relishing drinking in some new Wetherspoons in small towns across the country though which is a massive issue and was when we came down.
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 11, 2024 9:46:12 GMT
This team wouldn't even be close to finishing top half in League 1.
We might even beat Alan Ball's record for our lowest ever league finish.
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Post by st3mark on Feb 11, 2024 9:46:30 GMT
This current lot make me miss Jez Moxey.
They are literally car salesmen ripping us off. They talk these players up but they haven't got a clue
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Post by swinny on Feb 11, 2024 9:50:40 GMT
I’d rather stay up and reset in this league thanks all the same….. Stoke fans are soo dramatic. We have plenty of games left to survive relegation. With all due respect, some of us saw the writing on the wall long before 2018 as far as that relegation is concerned. This season reeks of it.
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Post by questionable on Feb 11, 2024 9:50:50 GMT
Reset basically means a repeat for this club
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Post by wilcopotter on Feb 11, 2024 9:54:11 GMT
At this point a reset and watching us being competitive in div 1 may be for the best. Though woth this lot in charge I will pro be watching conference before the decade is out. Looks a lot like snake oil being sold from the top. No way, it would be a disaster.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 11, 2024 9:56:17 GMT
We had this shit when we were in the PL.
Why don’t people learn?
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Post by Maccasbarmyarmy on Feb 11, 2024 9:57:29 GMT
12k watching us lose at home to Wrexham. No thank you. That would be terrible!
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Post by greenman on Feb 11, 2024 10:01:10 GMT
It would be a reset with a budget about half what it is now, still big compared to the small clubs in that division but we haven`t had value for money out of our squad since the early years of the prem.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 11, 2024 10:05:02 GMT
Sorry, but relegation will absolutely kill us and I don't know how anyone can take any positive from it. Jobs will be lost for a start - not the player who don't give a toss, but Stokies working at the club.
We were supposed to rest in 2018 and the chairman has made an absolute pigs ear of that to the extent we don't own our ground and can't do the one thing he seems to be good at - wasting his money. Sorry, this hierarchy fills me with dread when faced with League 1 and as for the players - they would shit themselves against a Steve Evans team in front of 4,000.
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Post by thisisouryear on Feb 11, 2024 10:52:02 GMT
The club needs to find a way to bring the fans and players together, at the moment the relationship is too toxic for us to have any success. We need that us against the world mentality back. At the moment the players are playing with fear and not performing as well as they can because of it. To stay up the players need the fans fully behind them but that isn't going to happen and Schumacher can't do anything about it no matter who we put out and whatever system we play. We are getting relegated this season no doubt about it, the fans have turned on the players not so much the manager so it's downhill from here.
Going down isn't a reset, all that may happen is we start winning more games because of the class difference and the relationship between players and fans improves a little. Having that momentum can help teams get multiple promotions though.
When the fans turn on the team everything falls apart and that's where we are. We've changed backroom staff, managers, players and still we are in the same place. The connection between fans and players isn't there and hasn't been for a long time. Never underestimate the role fans play, they can take a team up or take them down. The team needs help from the fans to avoid the drop that's the only chance we have of staying up.
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 11, 2024 10:54:48 GMT
At this point a reset and watching us being competitive in div 1 may be for the best. Though woth this lot in charge I will pro be watching conference before the decade is out. Looks a lot like snake oil being sold from the top. Fucking hell. Not this shit again
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Post by bunnyscfc on Feb 11, 2024 10:55:27 GMT
Disagree about playing with fear. Fear doesn't make you bottle 50/50's s Vidigal and Johnson did within the first 10 minutes; fear doesn't make you feign injry pretending you've gone into advertising boards.
Run more than your opponent, beat them in duels, come off the pitch after giving your all - all those aren't touched by fear. They're touched by self-motivation and a will to win.
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Post by doctortheopolis on Feb 11, 2024 11:10:00 GMT
Having experienced the 3rd tier on 2 separate occasions, I can categorically say I have no fucking desire whatsoever to plum these depths again. There's a couple of grounds I've not been to but visiting Oxford's new stadium isn't high on my list of priorities if I can avoid it.
We'll be a novelty for many of the clubs down there, they'll get one of their biggest crowds of the season, they'll probably turn us over as well. There is something particularly soul destroying about watching us lose in these places. Plus the lepers in ST6 (if they stay up) will be frothing at the gash waiting for us to rock up, as will the weirdos in South Cheshire if they go up. Thanks but no thanks.
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Post by st3mark on Feb 11, 2024 11:10:05 GMT
The biggest problem with relegation is we will never make any profit on most of the players we spunked money on.
How are we going to get our money back for Ryan fucking Mmaee?
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Post by premieraj on Feb 11, 2024 11:10:38 GMT
Please no we just have to survive……
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 11, 2024 11:16:32 GMT
Have absolutely no confidence the current regime would act any different. They are unconsciously incompetent and surrounded by sycophants telling them they are great. Absolute joke and league 1 would head towards league 2. All we can hope for is to limp through in the Championship and some intervention by someone to get someone who knows about running a football club on board. The flaw in the plan is John being the someone and he appears to know feck all.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 11, 2024 11:17:48 GMT
I understand your frustration. Relegation would be a disaster as it has been from the EPL
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Post by Scrotnig on Feb 11, 2024 11:22:26 GMT
At this point a reset and watching us being competitive in div 1 may be for the best. Though woth this lot in charge I will pro be watching conference before the decade is out. Looks a lot like snake oil being sold from the top. No No No I wish people would stop saying this. The same was said when we were facing relegation from the Prem. All that’s going to happen is, we will be just as shit but one tier lower. We MUST stay up.
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Post by starkiller on Feb 12, 2024 7:53:10 GMT
Utter nonsense idea.
Just because it's complete obscurity, you don't get six months off for relegation.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Feb 12, 2024 8:20:11 GMT
For every Wolves, Leicester and Norwich for whom relegation to League One proved to be the wake up call the club needed and allowed them to turn the losing habit around and shift momentum forward. There's a Charlton, Sunderland, Forest, Leeds, Portsmouth, Coventry, Sheffield Wednesday, Bradford, Derby, Bradford, Bolton, and of course ourselves in the past who get stuck down there for multiple seasons and go through absolute hell. The law of averages says that if we went down, we wouldn't successfully bounce straight back up and it would be a slow grind back out of that division. If we made it back out at all. Absolutely no way on earth do I think us going down could end up being a blessing in disguise. What makes you think our incompetent owners will suddenly develop competence after another relegation? Haven't they had enough 'wake up calls' and 'rebuilds' over the last few years?
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Post by clarkeda on Feb 12, 2024 8:21:05 GMT
No. We said this about the championship. It didn’t work.
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 12, 2024 8:29:49 GMT
Same point was discussed when we were falling out of the Premier League and look how that has worked out. We need to stop the slide now not next season, as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by pavel on Feb 12, 2024 8:30:15 GMT
Yeah reset in league 1, why not, the reset in the Championship worked wonders for us!
We need to stay up and hold onto to some sort of hope.
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Post by jhtstokie on Feb 12, 2024 8:40:54 GMT
A relegation is the last thing we need ffs.
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Post by Fred Merger on Feb 12, 2024 8:45:07 GMT
The chance to reset came in January, we didn't address a leaking defence and spunked our budget on a 22 inexperienced winger! The onus is now on the recruitment team. If we go down. They get kicked out!
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Post by retrostoke on Feb 12, 2024 8:52:12 GMT
In all my 55 years as a Stoke fan I can’t ever recall so many fans quitting on the club.
Maybe I have forgotten the previous times we have been in the shit and there have been a few.
Has it ever been this toxic.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 12, 2024 8:57:10 GMT
The Third Division is every bit as bad as the Second Division and comes with the added disadvantage that we would probably have to play against Crewe or Vale and even suffer the ignominy of finishing below them.
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Post by idle on Feb 12, 2024 9:05:11 GMT
We need to stay up. I don't want us to go down to the pits of L1. The road back is long and hard, and it will not get easier by going down.
BUT, if we manage to stay up, could we please take it as a positive sign? There so much negativity on here, so much entitlement and piss poor "fans" only seeing the negatives in every-fucking-thing we do. Some are so negative that even when the players do something good they just shrug and think it was lucky.We don't have a god-given rigth to be in the PL, we don't have the god-given right to go up, or to waltz over the other clubs who are trying just as hard as us to progress. Even if we have rich owners.
Luton got to the PL without any outside money at all. The club owned and operated by fans cooperating. Money is a cushion, something to cover up the mistakes being done, a pillow on which we sleep while others work hard. They will come down here again and maybe never go up again. But they proved it can be done with hard work and a vision, leadership with a bullshit filter willing to prioritise and getting rid of grafters and people not willing to work hard to improve.
And before some of you plonkers start: NO ONE IS SAYING IT'S THE FANS FAULT! It's not our fault we've appointed poor managers, signed poor players, hired poor management, etc. But as SJW posted, we need to stick together. That goes for the players, the staff and the fans. Nothing happens on it's own. We have to work for it, and we have to work together.
VIS UNTIA FORTIOR
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 12, 2024 9:11:22 GMT
We need to stay up. I don't want us to go down to the pits of L1. The road back is long and hard, and it will not get easier by going down. BUT, if we manage to stay up, could we please take it as a positive sign? There so much negativity on here, so much entitlement and piss poor "fans" only seeing the negatives in every-fucking-thing we do. Some are so negative that even when the players do something good they just shrug and think it was lucky.We don't have a god-given rigth to be in the PL, we don't have the god-given right to go up, or to waltz over the other clubs who are trying just as hard as us to progress. Even if we have rich owners. Luton got to the PL without any outside money at all. The club owned and operated by fans cooperating. Money is a cushion, something to cover up the mistakes being done, a pillow on which we sleep while others work hard. They will come down here again and maybe never go up again. But they proved it can be done with hard work and a vision, leadership with a bullshit filter willing to prioritise and getting rid of grafters and people not willing to work hard to improve. And before some of you plonkers start: NO ONE IS SAYING IT'S THE FANS FAULT! It's not our fault we've appointed poor managers, signed poor players, hired poor management, etc. But as SJW posted, we need to stick together. That goes for the players, the staff and the fans. Nothing happens on it's own. We have to work for it, and we have to work together. VIS UNTIA FORTIOR It would be great if all the fans saved any booing till the moment we are mathematically relegated and gave unwavering vocal support 100% of the time up till that point. Won't happen though. Not based on what happened at Blackburn however. Crowd mentality. Sadly it won't be long till that turns to fisticuffs between the fans based on how the team are performing. This is all starting to smell pretty rank if you ask me.....
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