Joselu

[Veritas]

I see Joselu scored a key goal for Real Madrid last night and what with Choupu-Moting flourishing at Bayern Munich how come it all went so wrong when we had them here?

[ethers26]

Both were good for us.

Joselu never got a run of games, and Choupo was in the worst side we had in the prem (yet finished our top scorer from memory?)

Never expected them to go on to this, but tbf - the standard in both leagues is worse than the prem. Especially La Liga..

[callas12]

Guessing some players perform to their best at certain clubs and the chemistry amongst the squad has to be right for them to flourish. I always put Mark Stein & Mike Sheron into this category, they weren't even getting game time at Oxford & Norwich respectively who palmed them off our way & the rest is history.

I think Joselu did well for us when he played, he definitely scored some good goals, he just didn't seem to play regularly enough for us at the time for some reason.

Saw a link the other day suggesting Manchester United were eyeing up Choupo-Moting as a potential signing.

[Caerwrangonpotter]

Joselu part of THAT game at Everton

One of The Premiership memories forever

[Olgrligm]

Choupo was alright as a replacement for the Walters role of versatile robust squad player who mostly plays up front. He was in no way a replacement for Arnie, who was head and shoulders above the rest of our squad at the time he left. Ideally, we'd have brought in Choupo and an Arnie replacement. Being greedy, I would also have liked a Vicfor Moses-style pacey winger to replace Shaqiri, who I felt only had fleeting moments of brilliance.

Joselu just wasn't really suited to English football. He's found his groove in Spain. It happens.

[clarkeda]

Joselu didn’t really fancy the physical battle and wasn’t quite quick enough to avoid it and never really got a run of consistent game time.

Choupo was decent, but got sold a mid table team pushing up, not a relegation battle and wasn’t really up for it. He was also doomed because he was a free transfer to replace our best player and talisman and record sale (I think?)

[Robo10]

Joselu wasnt consistently played, with Hughes after every defeat going back to Crouch/Walters - I always liked him, had a great touch, decent finisher, but possibly not robust enough for the Prem (as Newcastle found out too)

He only made 27 appearances for us, 11 of which were from the bench, and rarely (6 times) lasted the 90 mins
4 goals, but did score in THAT Everton game with a sublime calm volley to make it 3-3, in that Bournemouth game away (1-3) where Imbula scored a 25 yarder too, plus against Norwich and Watford

A shame, Hughes criticised him for having a 'slow start' but I think given time he would have been great for us, probably needed a Walters alongside him doing the work rather than the Bojan (soon to be frozen out also), Arnie and Shaq front line.

Also probably didnt help that Hughes at the end of the 2015 season lost 10 and drew 4 of the last 19 games, bar a little purple patch where we won 3 on the spin in Feb/Mar it was a really really poor end, and many wanted Hughes gone as the danger signs were already there.

He froze loads of the flair players out and went back to lumping the ball up to Crouch from memory!

[Deleted]

Why did we let Choupo go for nothing? I thought he was decent for us. He certainly would have made a big difference in our first season down. Instead we had benik afobe😂

[tcdobinghoff]

Choupo Moting, Bojan, Arnautovic, Shaquiri, Joselu, Crouch - bloody hell !!

[lordb]

Joselu did very little for Newcastle too, that & what we saw when he played suggests he was just, OK/not bad

Centre forwards often blossom late in their career, this is simply a freakish example of that

[baconburger]

Jan 11, 2024 11:08:04 GMT lordb said:

Joselu did very little for Newcastle too, that & what we saw when he played suggests he was just, OK/not bad

Centre forwards often blossom late in their career, this is simply a freakish example of that

Don’t think so. I think he’s just found his niche. I think he’d be as shit as ever if he came back to English football. You can just see it in a player when they hate the combativeness of the football. Joselu, Chupo-Moting, Morratta, Mmaee and many many more.

[Maccasbarmyarmy]

Jan 11, 2024 12:33:15 GMT baconburger said:

Jan 11, 2024 11:08:04 GMT lordb said:

Joselu did very little for Newcastle too, that & what we saw when he played suggests he was just, OK/not bad

Centre forwards often blossom late in their career, this is simply a freakish example of that

Don’t think so. I think he’s just found his niche. I think he’d be as shit as ever if he came back to English football. You can just see it in a player when they hate the combativeness of the football. Joselu, Chupo-Moting, Morratta, Mmaee and many many more.

Sorry but that is utter bollocks!

[dirtclod]

We'd gone from BMX to Tippy Tappy Tippy Tappy Hoof. In the process lost any creativity we ever had.
Then Hughes started not writing people off for whatever reasons and totally lost the plot.
Messi would have failed in our "system" back then. We were a striker's graveyard.
We just tried to play "keep away" for 90 minutes then launch an unusable ball 20-40 yards up the pitch and that tactic hastened our slide into relegation.
Choupo and several others just started looking like they wanted out of here. The changing room was a mess in more ways than Colin Wanker pointed out and Peter couldn't see "what the fuss was all about."
Joselu, while talented, would get knocked off the ball easily in his time here.

Also recall that Lambert, after his ill-fated tenure say that many of the players "didn't want to be there."
We'd set ourselves up for relegation even before QSF snubbed us and Lambert showed up.
As bad as Charlie's penalty fiasco and Jack's mistakes in goal were, we were certain for relegation at least 10 to 12 games BEFORE that.
Remember that our more "pessimistic" posters took a lot of abuse for stating things on here that in hindsight were obvious.
That time-period is a poster-child for why "living in the past" proves to be unhealthy.

[lordb]

Jan 11, 2024 12:57:13 GMT dirtclod said:

We'd gone from BMX to Tippy Tappy Tippy Tappy Hoof. In the process lost any creativity we ever had.
Then Hughes started not writing people off for whatever reasons and totally lost the plot.
Messi would have failed in our "system" back then. We were a striker's graveyard.
We just tried to play "keep away" for 90 minutes then launch an unusable ball 20-40 yards up the pitch and that tactic hastened our slide into relegation.
Choupo and several others just started looking like they wanted out of here. The changing room was a mess in more ways than Colin Wanker pointed out and Peter couldn't see "what the fuss was all about."
Joselu, while talented, would get knocked off the ball easily in his time here.

Also recall that Lambert, after his ill-fated tenure say that many of the players "didn't want to be there."
We'd set ourselves up for relegation even before QSF snubbed us and Lambert showed up.
As bad as Charlie's penalty fiasco and Jack's mistakes in goal were, we were certain for relegation at least 10 to 12 games BEFORE that.
Remember that our more "pessimistic" posters took a lot of abuse for stating things on here that in hindsight were obvious.
That time-period is a poster-child for why "living in the past" proves to be unhealthy.

none of that explains why Joselu did bugger all for Newcastle

[dirtclod]

Jan 11, 2024 13:27:29 GMT lordb said:

Jan 11, 2024 12:57:13 GMT dirtclod said:

We'd gone from BMX to Tippy Tappy Tippy Tappy Hoof. In the process lost any creativity we ever had.
Then Hughes started not writing people off for whatever reasons and totally lost the plot.
Messi would have failed in our "system" back then. We were a striker's graveyard.
We just tried to play "keep away" for 90 minutes then launch an unusable ball 20-40 yards up the pitch and that tactic hastened our slide into relegation.
Choupo and several others just started looking like they wanted out of here. The changing room was a mess in more ways than Colin Wanker pointed out and Peter couldn't see "what the fuss was all about."
Joselu, while talented, would get knocked off the ball easily in his time here.

Also recall that Lambert, after his ill-fated tenure say that many of the players "didn't want to be there."
We'd set ourselves up for relegation even before QSF snubbed us and Lambert showed up.
As bad as Charlie's penalty fiasco and Jack's mistakes in goal were, we were certain for relegation at least 10 to 12 games BEFORE that.
Remember that our more "pessimistic" posters took a lot of abuse for stating things on here that in hindsight were obvious.
That time-period is a poster-child for why "living in the past" proves to be unhealthy.

none of that explains why Joselu did bugger all for Newcastle

No it doesn't, other than that line where I said he'd get knocked off the ball easily.  Don't think Championship was a league that agreed with him.

[baconburger]

Jan 11, 2024 12:55:45 GMT Maccasbarmyarmy said:

Jan 11, 2024 12:33:15 GMT baconburger said:

Don’t think so. I think he’s just found his niche. I think he’d be as shit as ever if he came back to English football. You can just see it in a player when they hate the combativeness of the football. Joselu, Chupo-Moting, Morratta, Mmaee and many many more.

Sorry but that is utter bollocks!

Well if you made a point I could counter it or declare it utter bollocks but being as you haven't I can only assume you haven't got one.

[baconburger]

Jan 11, 2024 13:28:52 GMT dirtclod said:

Jan 11, 2024 13:27:29 GMT lordb said:

none of that explains why Joselu did bugger all for Newcastle

No it doesn't, other than that line where I said he'd get knocked off the ball easily.  Don't think Championship was a league that agreed with him.

English football didn't agree with him full stop.

[Deleted]

Jan 11, 2024 13:27:29 GMT lordb said:

Jan 11, 2024 12:57:13 GMT dirtclod said:

We'd gone from BMX to Tippy Tappy Tippy Tappy Hoof. In the process lost any creativity we ever had.
Then Hughes started not writing people off for whatever reasons and totally lost the plot.
Messi would have failed in our "system" back then. We were a striker's graveyard.
We just tried to play "keep away" for 90 minutes then launch an unusable ball 20-40 yards up the pitch and that tactic hastened our slide into relegation.
Choupo and several others just started looking like they wanted out of here. The changing room was a mess in more ways than Colin Wanker pointed out and Peter couldn't see "what the fuss was all about."
Joselu, while talented, would get knocked off the ball easily in his time here.

Also recall that Lambert, after his ill-fated tenure say that many of the players "didn't want to be there."
We'd set ourselves up for relegation even before QSF snubbed us and Lambert showed up.
As bad as Charlie's penalty fiasco and Jack's mistakes in goal were, we were certain for relegation at least 10 to 12 games BEFORE that.
Remember that our more "pessimistic" posters took a lot of abuse for stating things on here that in hindsight were obvious.
That time-period is a poster-child for why "living in the past" proves to be unhealthy.

none of that explains why Joselu did bugger all for Newcastle

Didn’t have the right players around him?

If you moved Real Madrid into the Premier League, I doubt they’d have too much hassle seeing off teams like Bournemouth.

[baconburger]

Jan 11, 2024 14:07:59 GMT @cvillestokie said:

Jan 11, 2024 13:27:29 GMT lordb said:

none of that explains why Joselu did bugger all for Newcastle

Didn’t have the right players around him?

If you moved Real Madrid into the Premier League, I doubt they’d have too much hassle seeing off teams like Bournemouth.

But the real indicator would be that if you moved Real Madrid into the Premier League I'd have no doubt that there would be players who couldn't adapt their game to English football/climate etc.

[Deleted]

Jan 11, 2024 14:21:32 GMT baconburger said:

Jan 11, 2024 14:07:59 GMT @cvillestokie said:

Didn’t have the right players around him?

If you moved Real Madrid into the Premier League, I doubt they’d have too much hassle seeing off teams like Bournemouth.

But the real indicator would be that if you moved Real Madrid into the Premier League I'd have no doubt that there would be players who couldn't adapt their game to English football/climate etc.

They’d either come first every year, or second every year behind Man City.

They wouldn’t need to adapt their current way of playing to the English game. They are more than capable of beating English teams, as shown by them winning the Champions League in 5 of the last 10 years. When you take an individual player out of one system and put them into another, they need to adapt. I don’t think that the same would be true for a full team. They’d just play the way they know works for them.

[baconburger]

Jan 11, 2024 14:31:09 GMT @cvillestokie said:

Jan 11, 2024 14:21:32 GMT baconburger said:

But the real indicator would be that if you moved Real Madrid into the Premier League I'd have no doubt that there would be players who couldn't adapt their game to English football/climate etc.

They’d either come first every year, or second every year behind Man City.

They wouldn’t need to adapt their current way of playing to the English game. They are more than capable of beating English teams, as shown by them winning the Champions League in 5 of the last 10 years. When you take an individual player out of one system and put them into another, they need to adapt. I don’t think that the same would be true for a full team. They’d just play the way they know works for them.

I very much doubt that would be the case unless they were allowed to play their home games in Spain. That does not undermine the point that some players would fail to adapt it's a completely different environment to the champions league. IMO theres no way that Man City are head and shoulders above the rest of the league and neither would Real Madrid be. As someone who flits about between the UK and Spain throughout the year I know how difficult it is coming to terms with the difference in climate even for someone born and bred in the UK.

[dutchstokie]

Jan 11, 2024 10:34:22 GMT tcdobinghoff said:

Choupo Moting, Bojan, Arnautovic, Shaquiri, Joselu, Crouch - bloody hell !!

Choupo Moting

Schalke
Stoke
PSG
Bayern Munich
...potenitally going to the Shit

Spot the turkey in the room...!!!

(His agent deserves a knighthood !)

[bertiestan]

Jan 11, 2024 12:55:45 GMT Maccasbarmyarmy said:

Jan 11, 2024 12:33:15 GMT baconburger said:

Don’t think so. I think he’s just found his niche. I think he’d be as shit as ever if he came back to English football. You can just see it in a player when they hate the combativeness of the football. Joselu, Chupo-Moting, Morratta, Mmaee and many many more.

Sorry but that is utter bollocks!

Mmaee in there with them…clearly an agenda against him, give your head a wobble sunshine, you’ve literally just made last nights point more relevant👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[bayernoatcake]

Jan 12, 2024 10:05:12 GMT bertiestan said:

Jan 11, 2024 12:55:45 GMT Maccasbarmyarmy said:

Sorry but that is utter bollocks!

Mmaee in there with them…clearly an agenda against him, give your head a wobble sunshine, you’ve literally just made last nights point more relevant👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

I think he's talking bollocks about him but why an agenda?

People don't like watching certain styles of player.

It's not an agenda is it?

It's just taste.

[thisisouryear]

As technically gifted as Joselu is he should be nowhere near any Real Madrid team. I've watched him a couple of times for them and he isn't that level, he's dropped on getting the opportunity so fair play to him. Ivan Toney would do far better at Real in my opinion.

[Block 26]

Jan 11, 2024 10:34:22 GMT tcdobinghoff said:

Choupo Moting, Bojan, Arnautovic, Shaquiri, Joselu, Crouch - bloody hell !!

Those were the days!

[jokker]

Jan 11, 2024 9:17:03 GMT Veritas said:

I see Joselu scored a key goal for Real Madrid last night and what with Choupu-Moting flourishing at Bayern Munich how come it all went so wrong when we had them here?

I don't think it went very wrong with those two. But Joselu was like 4th choice striker in Hughes' system, so moved on, and Choupo had freedom of contract which you have to say he used very well to his benefit. He was good for us the first half of the season, not so good in the second half, but that applies to everyone. Hughes also played him as a SJW type of midfielder cum striker, but he was all striker, so he didn't see a purpose for him in our team.

[jokker]

When I see him play for Real, he's the artisan among great artists. He scores quite a few goals but he misses ten times as many and is never really going to be a key member of that squad. But like Nacho at the back, who's now the club captain, he gives everything and never complains when he's dropped. From his point of view things couldn't be better, he's rejoined the club of his childhood dreams, when he must have thought his chance had gone years ago. He's just on loan though and I'd be very surpised if Real brings him back next season.

[bertiestan]

Jan 12, 2024 10:25:29 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Jan 12, 2024 10:05:12 GMT bertiestan said:

Mmaee in there with them…clearly an agenda against him, give your head a wobble sunshine, you’ve literally just made last nights point more relevant👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

I think he's talking bollocks about him but why an agenda?

People don't like watching certain styles of player.

It's not an agenda is it?

It's just taste.

Oooooh here we go…one knobber looking out for another knobber🙄 if this had come from anyone else I’d perhaps take notice.

[baconburger]

Jan 13, 2024 9:34:31 GMT bertiestan said:

Jan 12, 2024 10:25:29 GMT bayernoatcake said:

I think he's talking bollocks about him but why an agenda?

People don't like watching certain styles of player.

It's not an agenda is it?

It's just taste.

Oooooh here we go…one knobber looking out for another knobber🙄 if this had come from anyone else I’d perhaps take notice.

I really don’t need a hand with you you’re thick as mince.