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Post by stiggerstackle on Dec 14, 2023 9:44:39 GMT
I’m as keen on Nuno as anyone but a quick look at wiki, the primary source of most of my football know-how (!) shows that, Wolves excepted, we should expect neither staying power nor a happy ending! Valencia – 15 months He resigned on 29 November 2015, following a 0–1 away defeat to Sevilla FC, after a poor start to both Valencia's La Liga and Champions League campaigns. Porto – 11 months The following 22 May, however, after a season devoid of silverware which included a second place in the league,he was relieved of his duties. Wolves – 4 years On 21 May 2021, Wolves announced that Espírito Santo would be leaving the club by mutual consent at the end of the season. Spurs – 4 months On 1 November 2021, after his team lost to Manchester United 3–0 at home, their fifth loss in seven matches and which left them ninth in the table, he was sacked after less than four months in charge. Al-Ittihad – 16 months Espírito Santo was dismissed on 8 November 2023, two days after a 2–0 loss to Iraqi club Al-Quwa Al-Jawiya in the 2023–24 AFC Champions League. How many managerial appointments have a happy ending? Nunu's appointment would give me a happy ending. |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 14, 2023 9:45:25 GMT
I was just going to ask about his managerial record other than Wolves before I saw God's post above. Just as I expected, we are getting carried away with the fact he's foreign, aren't we? I’m not sure, I mean the calibre of clubs he’s managed is pretty good. 2nd in the Portuguese league isn’t the end of the world. I’d rather his pedigree than a Eustace. Valencia and Porto vs Kidderminster and Birmingham…. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 14, 2023 9:46:11 GMT
If Chopper says he's applied, that's good enough for me! Looking at his CV why the hell would he apply for the job at a lowly Championship team, is he out of his mind? My initial reaction as well but there is an article on this thread that claims a source close to Nuno has said he wants to replicate what he did at Wolves and completely rejuvenate a moribund club to it's former glories. We would certainly fit the bill and would explain why he applied (if indeed he has). If that is true I'm in. The flip side of course is that he's a manager who is living off past glories and looking for a job with a view to the next big payoff. For the moment I'm fighting off the cynic in me. |
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Post by retrostoke on Dec 14, 2023 9:46:36 GMT
How Stoke is that. Saying he’s Shit before he’s even signed a contract 😂😂😂
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 14, 2023 9:46:47 GMT
See you don’t get any of this shit with the Watford model. They sack one and appoint his successor an hour later. This period is wank all it does is entrench supporter attitudes as to who they want and who they don’t. Might as well just appoint Mowbray now so most of them can be united in being pissed off. Past the odd few I really don’t want I’ve gone past caring. Ultimately I think the real issue is still at the club and a new manager will make little difference as long as the club is the way it is. Merry Christmas! My old dad used to say "Stinking fish starts at the head".It does seem that the club has always lacked real ambition or drive from the top. Durban said the first time he left to go to Sunderland was because Stoke lacked ambition. Even going back to Waddo, he was forced to sell players to repair the roof of a stand. How short sighted was that? Surely a mortgage could have been raised? It is understandable with talented players should want to leave to step up to the next level, but there are also cases like Lee Chapman, who admits he made a mistake leaving for Arsenal, but said in his autobiography, the main reason he left was lack of ambition by the club. That's all harking back to the past, but more recently, how many clubs would spend 9 years in the Prem. before deciding to fill in the corner of the stand? It terms of development and attracting support, what happens on the pitch is the main driving force, but the club should address other issues like ease of access to the ground, IT standards, catering standards, parking facilities, etc. The club should address the issue of making it easy to get to and leave a match, which naturally means working constructively with the local authority and neighbouring businesses. Other clubs thrive with foreign ownership determined to succeed. They may not always, and some of their hire and fire tactics are distasteful, but at least they pull out all the stops in a determined effort. Many British owners just treat club ownership as a hobby. Why continue to support the club? Well you just do, don't you? Despite the ownership, not because of it. We live in hope that glory days will return and we win something. Merry Christmas to you also. |
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Post by telfordstokie on Dec 14, 2023 9:47:22 GMT
I was just going to ask about his managerial record other than Wolves before I saw God's post above. Just as I expected, we are getting carried away with the fact he's foreign, aren't we? He took a club who’d been in the Championship doldrums for years, cantered to promotion then turned then into a very good top-half Prem team. Ok it may not be possible to repeat the trick here but there’s no one else close to that record among the other names being mentioned. |
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Post by Maccasbarmyarmy on Dec 14, 2023 9:47:53 GMT
Valencia have been a poison chalice for anyone they are super skint 2nd with Porto is decent maybe a harsh sacking tbh the Saudi clubs are mental he went for the money it’s obvious!
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Post by thornestein on Dec 14, 2023 9:48:42 GMT
I’m as keen on Nuno as anyone but a quick look at wiki, the primary source of most of my football know-how (!) shows that, Wolves excepted, we should expect neither staying power nor a happy ending! Valencia – 15 months He resigned on 29 November 2015, following a 0–1 away defeat to Sevilla FC, after a poor start to both Valencia's La Liga and Champions League campaigns. Porto – 11 months The following 22 May, however, after a season devoid of silverware which included a second place in the league,he was relieved of his duties. Wolves – 4 years On 21 May 2021, Wolves announced that Espírito Santo would be leaving the club by mutual consent at the end of the season. Spurs – 4 months On 1 November 2021, after his team lost to Manchester United 3–0 at home, their fifth loss in seven matches and which left them ninth in the table, he was sacked after less than four months in charge. Al-Ittihad – 16 months Espírito Santo was dismissed on 8 November 2023, two days after a 2–0 loss to Iraqi club Al-Quwa Al-Jawiya in the 2023–24 AFC Champions League. How many managerial appointments have a happy ending? well they normally just get a pizza in but i suppose getting a hooker is easy enough 😉😁 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 9:49:01 GMT
I was just going to ask about his managerial record other than Wolves before I saw God's post above. Just as I expected, we are getting carried away with the fact he's foreign, aren't we? I’m not sure, I mean the calibre of clubs he’s managed is pretty good. 2nd in the Portuguese league isn’t the end of the world. I’d rather his pedigree than a Eustace. Valencia and Porto vs Kidderminster and Birmingham…. I agree in the sense that I'd rather him than the other names bandied about, but I'm as guilty as anyone as getting carried away by the sexy sounding foreign name, that's why I said "we" 😉 |
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 14, 2023 9:55:33 GMT
It's easy to say with hindsight, but the Graham Potter of 5 years ago is very different to the Graham Potter of today in terms of achievements. He had been successful in Sweden but it wasn't a given at the time that he'd be a success in England, had he joined us and we'd still been relegated (which isn't that unlikely given the timing of Hughes' sacking and the time left in the transfer window) he'd have faced the usual abuse on here and there would've been uproar about the board appointing a manager with no experience managing in the premier league / championship. I'm not saying he would've been a failure here, he's clearly a very good manager and maybe it would've worked out, but it would've been a gamble at the time. Maybe we missed our only opportunity with Potter, but that's how it goes, I don't blame the board for not appointing him (but I'm also not condoning them appointing Lambert either - the search for a manager that month was a complete shit show).
A win and a draw more than Lambert was all that was required. The choice of almost anyone else keeps us up. We all know which games they were. The team looked fucked in November the biggest problem lay with the board on two counts timing and subsequent selection. By all accounts from the time by players like Johnson, the dressing room was resigned to relegation by the time Lambert arrived. Some of the players looking to move to another club. I have a sneaky suspicion that Lambert told the owners, that it would be necessary to clean out the dressing room, but they decided that was too expensive and it would be cheaper to change the manager. They chose to appoint one full of his own ego and talk for England. |
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Post by shakermaker on Dec 14, 2023 10:03:00 GMT
I’m not sure, I mean the calibre of clubs he’s managed is pretty good. 2nd in the Portuguese league isn’t the end of the world. I’d rather his pedigree than a Eustace. Valencia and Porto vs Kidderminster and Birmingham…. I agree in the sense that I'd rather him than the other names bandied about, but I'm as guilty as anyone as getting carried away by the sexy sounding foreign name, that's why I said "we" 😉 I couldn't care less if his name was Fred West. What matters to me is track record, and he has that aplenty. Fact, he took over from Wolves when they'd just finished 15th under Lambert. Squad overhaul in the summer, promoted the following season. Two consecutive 7th places in the Premier League followed. Spurs should be taken with a pinch of salt - his appointment followed a failed attempt to get Conte. It's ironic, because Spurs fans felt the same about getting Nuno as we would if we got anybody else instead of Nuno! |
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Post by chigstoke on Dec 14, 2023 10:04:35 GMT
I agree in the sense that I'd rather him than the other names bandied about, but I'm as guilty as anyone as getting carried away by the sexy sounding foreign name, that's why I said "we" 😉 I couldn't care less if his name was Fred West. What matters to me is track record, and he has that aplenty. Fact, he took over from Wolves when they'd just finished 15th under Lambert. Squad overhaul in the summer, promoted the following season. Two consecutive 7th places in the Premier League followed. Spurs should be taken with a pinch of salt - his appointment followed a failed attempt to get Conte. It's ironic, because Spurs fans felt the same about getting Nuno as we would if we got anybody else instead of Nuno! Well if its track record you're after, I dont think you could go much wrong with Fred West really. |
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Post by stokeykez on Dec 14, 2023 10:14:39 GMT
This appointment is a bielsa to Leeds kind if wake up to the championship, let's just hope the board see the potential.
Nuno might be intrigued by the club who are stable in finances, very loyal owners, increasing the infrastructure such as fanzone, training facilities, close to his old stomping ground, complete project to get involved with. Just hoping he is sick of going to a club bigger than him and getting shat on, instead thinking that he could be the catalyst to get a good club ticking again.
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Post by LphPotter on Dec 14, 2023 10:14:42 GMT
Valencia have been a poison chalice for anyone they are super skint 2nd with Porto is decent maybe a harsh sacking tbh the Saudi clubs are mental he went for the money it’s obvious! He did well at Valencia, finished 4th which is about as well as you can do. |
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Post by andystokey on Dec 14, 2023 10:22:50 GMT
Valencia have been a poison chalice for anyone they are super skint 2nd with Porto is decent maybe a harsh sacking tbh the Saudi clubs are mental he went for the money it’s obvious! He did well at Valencia, finished 4th which is about as well as you can do. And famously beat Ancellotti's Real who were on a 22 succesive win run and freshly crowned World club champions. Scary Madrid line up. www.coachesvoice.com/cv/nuno-espirito-santo-valencia-real-madrid/ |
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Post by bigvern on Dec 14, 2023 10:27:05 GMT
I've just had a complete nightmare. I was checking the betting for the hundredth time of the day and saw Steve Coterill at 4/9 with Gary Rowett second favourite at 7/4. For a second it was like someone telling me that really my mum is my dad until I realised I was looking at the odds for the Burton job.
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Post by femark on Dec 14, 2023 10:28:34 GMT
Valencia have been a poison chalice for anyone they are super skint 2nd with Porto is decent maybe a harsh sacking tbh the Saudi clubs are mental he went for the money it’s obvious! He did well at Valencia, finished 4th which is about as well as you can do. He did better than well - won manager of the month three times and led them to their highest points total since 2003-04 (when they won the league). They also only lost 5 games all season. |
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Post by march4 on Dec 14, 2023 10:35:25 GMT
Past the odd few I really don’t want I’ve gone past caring. Ultimately I think the real issue is still at the club and a new manager will make little difference as long as the club is the way it is. Merry Christmas! My old dad used to say "Stinking fish starts at the head".It does seem that the club has always lacked real ambition or drive from the top. Durban said the first time he left to go to Sunderland was because Stoke lacked ambition. Even going back to Waddo, he was forced to sell players to repair the roof of a stand. How short sighted was that? Surely a mortgage could have been raised? It is understandable with talented players should want to leave to step up to the next level, but there are also cases like Lee Chapman, who admits he made a mistake leaving for Arsenal, but said in his autobiography, the main reason he left was lack of ambition by the club. That's all harking back to the past, but more recently, how many clubs would spend 9 years in the Prem. before deciding to fill in the corner of the stand? It terms of development and attracting support, what happens on the pitch is the main driving force, but the club should address other issues like ease of access to the ground, IT standards, catering standards, parking facilities, etc. The club should address the issue of making it easy to get to and leave a match, which naturally means working constructively with the local authority and neighbouring businesses. Other clubs thrive with foreign ownership determined to succeed. They may not always, and some of their hire and fire tactics are distasteful, but at least they pull out all the stops in a determined effort. Many British owners just treat club ownership as a hobby. Why continue to support the club? Well you just do, don't you? Despite the ownership, not because of it. We live in hope that glory days will return and we win something. Merry Christmas to you also. We twice broke the world transfer record for a goalkeeper. We were prepared to break the British record for Osgood and had come close to breaking it for Huddy. We reputedly paid Geoff Hurst a huge wage. We can be ambitious. It’s time again. |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 14, 2023 10:36:51 GMT
I could go with that at least he’s got the right approach to the game. Come on you lot get behind him!  I've got to say... I'd be fucking gutted Just adds to the fun🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 10:37:27 GMT
Looking at his CV why the hell would he apply for the job at a lowly Championship team, is he out of his mind? It would be a coup, but 1. He could live where he lived while at Wolves for 4 years - and he wanted to go back there last year 2. He's richer than God after his Spurs and Saudi pay-offs 3. Sounds like he's sick of players with big egos (apparently had a big fallout with Benzema) after those last 2 experiences, and that Athletic profile said he was open to a project lifting a team up a few levels. Another possible reason is that I think his son is studying at Manchester Uni (or certainly was : www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57206532) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 10:38:21 GMT
I agree in the sense that I'd rather him than the other names bandied about, but I'm as guilty as anyone as getting carried away by the sexy sounding foreign name, that's why I said "we" 😉 I couldn't care less if his name was Fred West. What matters to me is track record, and he has that aplenty. Fact, he took over from Wolves when they'd just finished 15th under Lambert. Squad overhaul in the summer, promoted the following season. Two consecutive 7th places in the Premier League followed. Spurs should be taken with a pinch of salt - his appointment followed a failed attempt to get Conte. It's ironic, because Spurs fans felt the same about getting Nuno as we would if we got anybody else instead of Nuno! His record at Wolves was impressive, it was the rest of his managerial career I was wondering about and it really isn't anything to write home about. Don't get me wrong, as I've already stated, I want him over any other names mentioned, but people (me included) are definitely letting the fact that has a foreign name cloud their judgement. As for the cutest serial killer in the history of serial killers reference, I'm not sure I'd want to be singing "Fred West's Barmy Army" anytime soon  |
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Post by neddy on Dec 14, 2023 10:40:18 GMT
Wouldn’t he have the best contacts to sign players? Better than any of the other potential candidates?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2023 10:42:48 GMT
Lets be honest if there's a foreign manager out there with an exemplary record, he aint going to be rocking up at Stoke anytime soon.
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Post by obhstokie on Dec 14, 2023 10:42:54 GMT
The biggest thing for me with Nuno over someone like Eustace is the instant respect he would have from the players
We need a manager that all the players want to play for and get behind & i reckon he would get that straight away
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Post by clarkeda on Dec 14, 2023 10:46:37 GMT
Interesting article from last year... theathletic.com/3517157/2022/08/19/nuno-espirito-santo-wolves-spurs/If you weren’t aware, Nuno is back in work now, having taken time out post-Spurs to spend time with his family back home in Portugal while assessing his options and perusing job offers (including positions in Turkey and Brazil). Where has he wound up? Al-Ittihad in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. He’s been joined there by the perennially-young Scottish coach Ian Cathro (still only 36 years old) who was also with Nuno at Portugal’s Rio Ave, Valencia in Spain, Wolves and Spurs, plus goalkeeping coach Rui Barbosa. No doubt working in Saudi Arabia offers an interesting challenge for Nuno and Cathro, certainly culturally, but it’s hard to envisage them there were it not for the obvious financial benefits. And it feels like a waste. But in terms of a career move? Well, it depends what Nuno wants from his career, but it doesn’t feel right for a man often described as a genius by those who worked with him at Wolves (and by himself to The Athletic once upon a time) to sit outside football’s mainstream. Taking the Spurs job was a gamble which didn’t pay off. He may have been handsomely rewarded with a large pay-off when he left, but Nuno’s reputation suffered in those few months. His stock post-Wolves was still high, despite a dodgy final season. The previous three years were basically perfect (winning the Championship title and then finishing seventh, twice, in the Premier League while also reaching that Europa League quarter-final and an FA Cup semi-final Wolves were three minutes from winning) and led him to be linked with all manner of high-profile jobs, most notably the Arsenal one. Joining the other north London giants didn’t suit him. He found some of their distracted and unwanted players hard to manage, he faced an insurmountable battle to earn their respect, given he was so clearly a long way down Tottenham’s list of candidates, and he had an unhappy Harry Kane to deal with. Yes, he made mistakes, but against his better judgement (he was believed to be reluctant to take the job until his agent Jorge Mendes convinced him otherwise) it was a role he should, in glorious hindsight, have turned down. He should have gone to Crystal Palace, who had strongly courted him. Those close to Nuno say that, post-Spurs, he was looking for a fresh project and a mountain to climb in the manner of what he achieved with Wolves, taking a team up a few levels and galvanising a group of mouldable players with small egos for footballers (Nuno doesn’t like being challenged). Those opportunities, even when your agent and close friend is Mendes, don’t come around very often. So for now, it’s Al-Ittihad. He’ll be acutely aware of his reputation having taken a hit, but he’ll also know that being out of sight of European football means being out of mind. However well he does, it’s unlikely he’ll be there long, given Al-Ittihad have had 20 permanent managers since 2010. At Wolves, he transformed a team, a club and a city, conducting one of the best teams ever seen at the second level of English football. They may not have reached 100 points or broken records, but when Wolves were at their best in the Championship it was football from another league. He helped launch the top-level careers of not only Conor Coady and Doherty, but also Diogo Jota, Ruben Neves and Pedro Neto. He became a hero to his people. He took Wolves to places they didn’t think they would reach again. In short, he’s far too good to be out in Saudi Arabia, as is the astute and talented Cathro. If he ever does return to English football, he’ll forever receive a warm reception from Wolves supporters. Spurs fans? Possibly not so much. I’m sold. Get the fucker in Coates. Don’t let us down. We are in almost EXACTLY the same position as Wolves when he took over. |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 14, 2023 10:50:09 GMT
The biggest thing for me with Nuno over someone like Eustace is the instant respect he would have from the players We need a manager that all the players want to play for and get behind & i reckon he would get that straight away Just don’t get that angle anymore it was certainly the case at onetime but I don’t think any of these players think they’re bigger than the club. Most of them are at the highest level they’ve ever played at. |
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Post by andystokey on Dec 14, 2023 10:50:26 GMT
The biggest thing for me with Nuno over someone like Eustace is the instant respect he would have from the players We need a manager that all the players want to play for and get behind & i reckon he would get that straight away It would be difficult for any current Stoke player to claim they were billy bollocks compared with Benzema, Felipe, Kante, Hegazi, Fabinho and Jota I agree. |
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Post by chigstoke on Dec 14, 2023 10:51:46 GMT
Lets be honest if there's a foreign manager out there with an exemplary record, he aint going to be rocking up at Stoke anytime soon. He rocked up at Wolves under a somewhat similar situation to the one we find ourselves in now. Ousting a certain Paul Lambert I believe as well. |
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Post by skip on Dec 14, 2023 10:53:32 GMT
Nuno would be absolute rocket fuel for the changing room. If the players have heard the rumours of his interest, anyone else is now bound to feel like just another manager.
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Post by bertiestan on Dec 14, 2023 10:58:52 GMT
Everyone getting an absolute hard on for Nuno...never learn some of you🤣🤣🤣
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I've got to say... I'd be fucking gutted
