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Post by stokiesteve on Dec 17, 2023 9:11:04 GMT
If this is true and it is Eustace I will feel underwhelmed to say the least.
But as always I will give my backing to it in the hope that this will be the right guy and something will click. As I’ve mentioned previously, I think the inexperience of the likes of Eustace and Carsley is worrying. But we have to chose someone and get on with it.
The biggest hope is that whoever comes in the players will take to as player power still rules at the club.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 17, 2023 9:18:24 GMT
You ruined your own point by suggesting someone that's failed in every managerial position he's ever been in. The fans were plenty on side with Pulis, the atmosphere we used to have shows that, it got tough to watch though in the latter seasons and it was right to try something else. We won't get a big name, they don't go to bottom half Championship clubs. The "point" I am making is that we've had successive "no name" appointments that have failed miserably. Why don't we try something different and give the fans at least at a bit of hope and excitement. Schumacher is the latest name from Plymouth. Yeh.. that's going to get the fans excited isn't it. Any fan who puts being excited by the manager above getting a manager who will improve the team has seriously lost the plot and any owner who actually takes exciting the fans into consideration when choosing a manager shouldn't be choosing the manager.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 17, 2023 9:40:31 GMT
The "point" I am making is that we've had successive "no name" appointments that have failed miserably. Why don't we try something different and give the fans at least at a bit of hope and excitement. Schumacher is the latest name from Plymouth. Yeh.. that's going to get the fans excited isn't it. Any fan who puts being excited by the manager above getting a manager who will improve the team has seriously lost the plot and any owner who actually takes exciting the fans into consideration when choosing a manager shouldn't be choosing the manager. Come off it goalkeeper’s, CB’s, clean sheets and long past glories seem to excite our fans far more than goals and attacking football.
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Post by thornestein on Dec 17, 2023 9:47:34 GMT
Any fan who puts being excited by the manager above getting a manager who will improve the team has seriously lost the plot and any owner who actually takes exciting the fans into consideration when choosing a manager shouldn't be choosing the manager. Come off it goalkeeper’s, CB’s, clean sheets and long past glories seem to excite our fans far more than goals and attacking football. some fans are to easily pleased
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Post by baconburger on Dec 17, 2023 9:53:32 GMT
Come off it goalkeeper’s, CB’s, clean sheets and long past glories seem to excite our fans far more than goals and attacking football. some fans are to easily pleased No they’re just backward. They think that’s what successful football looks like.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 17, 2023 10:20:43 GMT
Making it up as they go alone 😂 But soon it'll no doubt be fact. Who the fuck is Mr Martin?
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Post by Gods on Dec 17, 2023 10:26:29 GMT
Making it up as they go alone 😂 But soon it'll no doubt be fact. Who the fuck is Mr Martin? Unless that was a rhetorical question it is presumably the man better known as Tricky Ricky. For what it is worth I do think it is likely Tricky will lobby for someone who is malleable to his own unique brand of nonsense. A part of me thinks most serious candidates would not want Tricky poking around full stop. I know I wouldn't.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 17, 2023 10:31:25 GMT
Who the fuck is Mr Martin? Unless that was a rhetorical question it is presumably the man better known as Tricky Ricky. For what it is worth I do think it is likely Tricky will lobby for someone who is accepting of his ridiculous psycho-babble. A part of me thinks most serious candidates woukd not want Tricky poking around full stop. I know I wouldn't. It wasn’t. I forgot he existed. And yeah of course he’d be against it, I would too if I was in his role 🤣
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 17, 2023 10:38:45 GMT
Any fan who puts being excited by the manager above getting a manager who will improve the team has seriously lost the plot and any owner who actually takes exciting the fans into consideration when choosing a manager shouldn't be choosing the manager. Come off it goalkeeper’s, CB’s, clean sheets and long past glories seem to excite our fans far more than goals and attacking football. How is that even relevant to what I said? You don't need an exciting manager to play exciting football. My entire point is that the manager's personality and media profile means bugger all - it's what the do with the team that counts.
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Post by wakeypotter on Dec 17, 2023 10:50:49 GMT
I’m surprised people are so against Heckingbottom. I think he’s organise and improve us quite quickly. I’d have heckingbottom over eustace any day of the week mate
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 17, 2023 10:55:55 GMT
Heckingbottom to be fair has a more extensive CV than Eustace or Schumacher to be fair, Stoke fans seem to get a downer on certain people with pre conceived views. Not sure the board can take a punt on relative unknowns.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Dec 17, 2023 10:57:56 GMT
I’m surprised people are so against Heckingbottom. I think he’s organise and improve us quite quickly. I’d have heckingbottom over eustace any day of the week mate That’s fine mate, you have Heckingbottom, the rest of us will have Eustace (if indeed he is the chosen one)
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Post by baconburger on Dec 17, 2023 11:01:30 GMT
Come off it goalkeeper’s, CB’s, clean sheets and long past glories seem to excite our fans far more than goals and attacking football. How is that even relevant to what I said? You don't need an exciting manager to play exciting football. My entire point is that the manager's personality and media profile means bugger all - it's what the do with the team that counts. It was more a point as to what many of our fans find exciting anyway rather than any sort of rebuttal of your post. I’m quite clear I couldn’t give two hoots what the managers personality is like (I’m quite keen on Mowbray FGS). Goals scored, games won, margin of wins is what excites me about football. As opposed to points accrued, position in the table, clean sheets, CB’s etc. I know you have a very different viewpoint but enjoyment of the games is top priority for me. Generally speaking in modern football enjoyable football is successful football so success is a more likely byproduct anyway but no I wouldn’t swap boredom and misery for a few extra points or positions in the table.
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Post by wakeypotter on Dec 17, 2023 11:07:17 GMT
I’d have heckingbottom over eustace any day of the week mate That’s fine mate, you have Heckingbottom, the rest of us will have Eustace (if indeed he is the chosen one) I don’t think the rest of US all want eustace mate but if that’s the case league 1 football it is
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Post by deeside2 on Dec 17, 2023 11:10:06 GMT
That’s fine mate, you have Heckingbottom, the rest of us will have Eustace (if indeed he is the chosen one) I don’t think the rest of US all want eustace mate but if that’s the case league 1 football it is I don't want either of them, but of the two I'd probably just about go for Heckingbottom.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Dec 17, 2023 11:10:41 GMT
Id probs put Heckingbottom and JE on a similar pedastal. My Blades mate’s comments on Hecky concern me somewhat which is why I’d favour JE. However if it is Hecky, so be it
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Dec 17, 2023 11:12:17 GMT
Any sightings of Nuno around the Smethwick End ?
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Post by lordb on Dec 17, 2023 11:13:34 GMT
Id probs put Heckingbottom and JE on a similar pedastal. My Blades mate’s comments on Hecky concern me somewhat which is why I’d favour JE. However if it is Hecky, so be it Eustace isn't tainted by any managerial failings, that's a clear difference
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Post by baconburger on Dec 17, 2023 11:13:38 GMT
I don’t think the rest of US all want eustace mate but if that’s the case league 1 football it is I don't want either of them, but of the two I'd probably just about go for Heckingbottom. Opposite here.
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Post by nottsover60 on Dec 17, 2023 11:17:09 GMT
How is that even relevant to what I said? You don't need an exciting manager to play exciting football. My entire point is that the manager's personality and media profile means bugger all - it's what the do with the team that counts. It was more a point as to what many of our fans find exciting anyway rather than any sort of rebuttal of your post. I’m quite clear I couldn’t give two hoots what the managers personality is like (I’m quite keen on Mowbray FGS). Goals scored, games won, margin of wins is what excites me about football. As opposed to points accrued, position in the table, clean sheets, CB’s etc. I know you have a very different viewpoint but enjoyment of the games is top priority for me. Generally speaking in modern football enjoyable football is successful football so success is a more likely byproduct anyway but no I wouldn’t swap boredom and misery for a few extra points or positions in the table. Totally agree. If we are going to be mid table which I suspect is the best we can hope for I'd rather see us playing exciting football rather than grinding out results. Having just seen the team sheet and reaction to it today I just wondered if in the unlikely scenario we appoint Santo and he picks the same team next Saturday would the reaction be the same? I don't think it's particularly the players and formation that makes matches exciting but the way the game is approached. I want to get away from the system which places more emphasis on not making mistakes than on playing on the front foot and following your instinct. Our last two managers have placed too much emphasis on decision making over going with your instinct which makes, our play so ponderous that I have seen schoolboys play more cohesively and fluidly.
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 17, 2023 11:21:12 GMT
Heckingbottom to be fair has a more extensive CV than Eustace or Schumacher to be fair, Stoke fans seem to get a downer on certain people with pre conceived views. Not sure the board can take a punt on relative unknowns. His CV is appalling overall with one exception at Sheffield United. 35% win rate at Barnsley. Lost more games than he won. 25% at Leeds. Lost more than he won. 34% at Hibs. Just about won more than he lost. Then the promotion and 50% at Sheffield United. Let's not sugar coat it. It's a bloody dreadful record.
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Post by Sfance on Dec 17, 2023 11:37:39 GMT
Who the fuck is Mr Martin? Unless that was a rhetorical question it is presumably the man better known as Tricky Ricky. For what it is worth I do think it is likely Tricky will lobby for someone who is malleable to his own unique brand of nonsense. A part of me thinks most serious candidates would not want Tricky poking around full stop. I know I wouldn't. Tricky Ricky is a big problem.
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Post by starkiller on Dec 17, 2023 11:56:19 GMT
Heckingbottom to be fair has a more extensive CV than Eustace or Schumacher to be fair, Stoke fans seem to get a downer on certain people with pre conceived views. Not sure the board can take a punt on relative unknowns. His CV is appalling overall with one exception at Sheffield United. 35% win rate at Barnsley. Lost more games than he won. 25% at Leeds. Lost more than he won. 34% at Hibs. Just about won more than he lost. Then the promotion and 50% at Sheffield United. Let's not sugar coat it. It's a bloody dreadful record. It shows how average grifter managers keep getting job after job. And payoffs for being useless. A completely managerless team would have a similar record.
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Post by Gods on Dec 17, 2023 12:12:08 GMT
Unless that was a rhetorical question it is presumably the man better known as Tricky Ricky. For what it is worth I do think it is likely Tricky will lobby for someone who is malleable to his own unique brand of nonsense. A part of me thinks most serious candidates would not want Tricky poking around full stop. I know I wouldn't. Tricky Ricky is a big problem. Exactly. I mean if I was Nuno, or anyone else, the questions I would want answering before I put pen to paper would be... 1.Who is Ricky Martin? 2.What is his role at the club? 3.Do I take orders from him or does he take orders from me? 4.What if I don't want him around? ** ** This question only for potential managers with good alternative options
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Post by ibby on Dec 17, 2023 15:01:23 GMT
Get this deal done FFS Stoke.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Dec 17, 2023 15:04:14 GMT
Heckingbottom to be fair has a more extensive CV than Eustace or Schumacher to be fair, Stoke fans seem to get a downer on certain people with pre conceived views. Not sure the board can take a punt on relative unknowns. His CV is appalling overall with one exception at Sheffield United. 35% win rate at Barnsley. Lost more games than he won. 25% at Leeds. Lost more than he won. 34% at Hibs. Just about won more than he lost. Then the promotion and 50% at Sheffield United. Let's not sugar coat it. It's a bloody dreadful record. He was dreadful at Hibs Have a bit of a soft spot for Hibs and go to see when in them thar parts, he had the tactical nous of Roger De Courcey
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Post by milky on Dec 17, 2023 15:07:04 GMT
Heckingbottom to be fair has a more extensive CV than Eustace or Schumacher to be fair, Stoke fans seem to get a downer on certain people with pre conceived views. Not sure the board can take a punt on relative unknowns. His CV is appalling overall with one exception at Sheffield United. 35% win rate at Barnsley. Lost more games than he won. 25% at Leeds. Lost more than he won. 34% at Hibs. Just about won more than he lost. Then the promotion and 50% at Sheffield United. Let's not sugar coat it. It's a bloody dreadful record. Ticks all the boxes for a Coates appointment then . Welcome aboard Paul...a proper football man !
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Post by kidcrewbob on Dec 17, 2023 16:28:49 GMT
Heckingbottom to be fair has a more extensive CV than Eustace or Schumacher to be fair, Stoke fans seem to get a downer on certain people with pre conceived views. Not sure the board can take a punt on relative unknowns. His CV is appalling overall with one exception at Sheffield United. 35% win rate at Barnsley. Lost more games than he won. 25% at Leeds. Lost more than he won. 34% at Hibs. Just about won more than he lost. Then the promotion and 50% at Sheffield United. Let's not sugar coat it. It's a bloody dreadful record. It sure is & we just don't need another fucking journeyman - we've done that several times now and it FAILED
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2023 19:00:14 GMT
Get this deal done FFS Stoke. Hard to get a deal done when it never existed.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Dec 18, 2023 0:05:14 GMT
Get this deal done FFS Stoke. Hard to get a deal done when it never existed. If this is true I have at least enjoyed imagining it for a while………
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