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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 9, 2023 19:45:36 GMT
I was reminded of this at the match - WOW what a depressing stat or should I say another depressing stat. Gouranga.  |
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 9, 2023 19:50:14 GMT
Very unprofessional. Shows they have no strength physically or mentally.... gutless mice the lot of them.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Dec 9, 2023 19:51:28 GMT
Only times I've seen truly fit stoke teams were under macari and Pulis, this current squad are dead on their feet by 70 minutes
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 9, 2023 19:53:29 GMT
Is it down to fitness though or (which I would say) down to the managers subs and game management. Gouranga. |
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Post by baconburger on Dec 9, 2023 19:56:19 GMT
Only times I've seen truly fit stoke teams were under macari and Pulis, this current squad are dead on their feet by 70 minutes Absolutely nothing to do with fitness. When you’re settling for a draw and the other team refuses to acquiesce the upside is pretty mediocre and the downside is calamitous. You’re completely ruling out a satisfactory outcome. |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Dec 9, 2023 19:59:12 GMT
Is it down to fitness though or (which I would say) down to the managers subs and game management. Gouranga. A combination of all those i would say. The players just don't look able to last 90 mins. Subs are far to late.. last week we had 3 strikers (vidigal,mmae,campbell) all returning from injury.. poor game management in that Neil couldn't see they were finished after 70 mins he took vidigal off and left mmae on all game.. he left Campbell on till the 87th min then finally took him off and you could see Campbell rubbing his thigh while stood in the dugout....now he's out injured - very poor management from Neil. |
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Post by stokest5 on Dec 9, 2023 20:00:44 GMT
Is it down to fitness though or (which I would say) down to the managers subs and game management. Gouranga. A combination of all those i would say. The players just don't look able to last 90 mins. Subs are far to late.. last week we had 3 strikers (vidigal,mmae,campbell) all returning from injury.. poor game management in that Neil couldn't see they were finished after 70 mins he took vidigal off and left mmae on all game.. he left Campbell on till the 87th min then finally took him off and you could see Campbell rubbing his thigh while stood in the dugout....now he's out injured - very poor management from Neil. The players don’t look like they can handle 90 seconds never mind 90 minutes |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Dec 9, 2023 20:01:03 GMT
Only times I've seen truly fit stoke teams were under macari and Pulis, this current squad are dead on their feet by 70 minutes Absolutely nothing to do with fitness. When you’re settling for a draw and the other team refuses to acquiesce the upside is pretty mediocre and the downside is calamitous. You’re completely ruling out a satisfactory outcome. I disagree...there are a number of issues why were struggling which all land at Neil's door, but a basic one is fitness we have to many players not fit to play 90 mins We sit back and try and hold out for a draw because we're not fit enough to go on and try and win the game |
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Post by sealion100 on Dec 9, 2023 20:02:49 GMT
For me this proves what I’ve been saying the players just aren’t fit !!! We are second to every ball/challenge
It gets worse as the game goes on …. Time after time started noticing this Last season
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Dec 9, 2023 20:04:19 GMT
That's surely down to a lack of fitness, wank management and brain dead game management from the players?
A disgraceful stat.
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Post by barnscfc1 on Dec 9, 2023 22:18:58 GMT
Get the wasters in on their days off and running up the hills, you need to earn the way to play by hard work and being fitter and stronger than the othe team.
If they can handle it get rid of them.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 10, 2023 7:54:19 GMT
Fitness had fuck all to do with yesterday.
Yesterday was tactics.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 10, 2023 8:23:54 GMT
Fitness had fuck all to do with yesterday. Yesterday was tactics. Baffling weren’t they. From start to finish. The subs, just wow. Pure incompetence. Or after his payout. |
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Post by chuckrocky on Dec 10, 2023 8:24:49 GMT
Fitness had fuck all to do with yesterday. Yesterday was tactics. Yep, going to a back three for the last few minutes at home against the worst side in the league when we were supposed to be chasing the winner has to be the most bizarre decisionsI’ve seen from one of our managers. It almost back fired straight away with the hapless Rose doing his best to score an og with his first touch. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 10, 2023 8:26:38 GMT
Fitness had fuck all to do with yesterday. Yesterday was tactics. Baffling weren’t they. From start to finish. The subs, just wow. Pure incompetence. Or after his payout. The payout is what came to my mind as there was no logical footballing explanation for it. No one else in that ground was thinking “I know what this game needs for us to win it, another centre half and 3 at the back”. No one. And if they were then they like the manager know fuck all about football either  |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 10, 2023 8:32:13 GMT
Is it down to fitness though or (which I would say) down to the managers subs and game management. Gouranga. It's settling for a draw without the players capable of doing it, why he thought inviting teams onto an already shaky defence was the way to go only he knows. |
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Post by andystokey on Dec 10, 2023 8:32:15 GMT
Baffling weren’t they. From start to finish. The subs, just wow. Pure incompetence. Or after his payout. The payout is what came to my mind as there was no logical footballing explanation for it. No one else in that ground was thinking “I know what this game needs for us to win it, another centre half and 3 at the back”. No one. And if they were then they like the manager know fuck all about football either We needed width and he puts Hoever left side which was pointless. At one point Mmaee was down the middle and Wes was right side. As for the 3 CBs it was clear they never played as a 3 in training because on at least two occasions they crashed into each other going for the same ball. Felt like a desperate roll of the dice to me from someone without a plan. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 10, 2023 8:35:33 GMT
The payout is what came to my mind as there was no logical footballing explanation for it. No one else in that ground was thinking “I know what this game needs for us to win it, another centre half and 3 at the back”. No one. And if they were then they like the manager know fuck all about football either We needed width and he puts Hoever left side which was pointless. At one point Mmaee was down the middle and Wes was right side. As for the 3 CBs it was clear they never played as a 3 in training because on at least two occasions they crashed into each other going for the same ball. Felt like a desperate roll of the dice to me from someone without a plan. And the worst part imo was that actually I thought we were in control and having a go at them in that second half. The penalty was coming because they were under pressure and even after it we were still more on the front foot. His subs killed that. |
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Post by s7oke on Dec 10, 2023 8:38:41 GMT
It’s because he has no nous of how to shut down a game or win one
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Post by scfcno1fan on Dec 10, 2023 8:41:17 GMT
The payout is what came to my mind as there was no logical footballing explanation for it. No one else in that ground was thinking “I know what this game needs for us to win it, another centre half and 3 at the back”. No one. And if they were then they like the manager know fuck all about football either We needed width and he puts Hoever left side which was pointless. At one point Mmaee was down the middle and Wes was right side. As for the 3 CBs it was clear they never played as a 3 in training because on at least two occasions they crashed into each other going for the same ball. Felt like a desperate roll of the dice to me from someone without a plan. I’m convinced if Hoever is in the squad he has to play. Look at his stats. He’s come on in every game he was a sub, even the 3-1 home defeat to Hull where he came on for 12 minutes. |
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Post by andystokey on Dec 10, 2023 8:46:39 GMT
We needed width and he puts Hoever left side which was pointless. At one point Mmaee was down the middle and Wes was right side. As for the 3 CBs it was clear they never played as a 3 in training because on at least two occasions they crashed into each other going for the same ball. Felt like a desperate roll of the dice to me from someone without a plan. And the worst part imo was that actually I thought we were in control and having a go at them in that second half. The penalty was coming because they were under pressure and even after it we were still more on the front foot. His subs killed that. If he'd put Hoever right and shuffled Gooch over and let Vidigal on earlier I don't think we would have lost. I also don't think he would have got that torrent of abuse if we had. The crowd reaction has clearly been brewing for a month, but the crazy substitutions (and lack of earlier ones) put it all on the manager. *special mention for several players who never got above walking pace all game. |
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Post by swampySCFC on Dec 10, 2023 9:44:47 GMT
We have gone beyond the "typical Stoke" scenario now -the club have taken it to a whole new level. The kings of missing a penalty against the worst side in the league and conceding last minute goals week in week out. It beggars belief even for the Stoke fans who have been around this sort of calamity for decades
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Post by mcw on Dec 10, 2023 9:54:18 GMT
We have gone beyond the "typical Stoke" scenario now -the club have taken it to a whole new level. The kings of missing a penalty against the worst side in the league and conceding last minute goals week in week out. It beggars belief even for the Stoke fans who have been around this sort of calamity for decades I was at the game, as soon as the penalty was given I said to the bloke behind me “no point celebrating as we’ll miss this”. Low and behold we do. The game was so god damn shite, both sides no better than a Sunday league level, devoid of entertainment of any kind that I left 20 mins before the end. Thought to myself we’ll concede against these, admit I didn’t think we’d manage to do it again in the 93rd minute. TBH I am now numb to this crap, as are a lot of supporters and if the club doesn’t think the life blood is being sucked out of the supporter base then they are fools. |
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Post by thestatusquo on Dec 10, 2023 9:54:54 GMT
We have gone beyond the "typical Stoke" scenario now -the club have taken it to a whole new level. The kings of missing a penalty against the worst side in the league and conceding last minute goals week in week out. It beggars belief even for the Stoke fans who have been around this sort of calamity for decades I’m gutted i didn’t put money on it !! |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 10, 2023 10:37:38 GMT
With the defence we have,I'm surprised we haven't conceded loads more before 85 mins.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 10, 2023 10:40:25 GMT
We have gone beyond the "typical Stoke" scenario now -the club have taken it to a whole new level. The kings of missing a penalty against the worst side in the league and conceding last minute goals week in week out. It beggars belief even for the Stoke fans who have been around this sort of calamity for decades I was at the game, as soon as the penalty was given I said to the bloke behind me “no point celebrating as we’ll miss this”. Low and behold we do. The game was so god damn shite, both sides no better than a Sunday league level, devoid of entertainment of any kind that I left 20 mins before the end. Thought to myself we’ll concede against these, admit I didn’t think we’d manage to do it again in the 93rd minute. TBH I am now numb to this crap, as are a lot of supporters and if the club doesn’t think the life blood is being sucked out of the supporter base then they are fools. It was the Leeds game in reverse,they missed we got on top,we missed Sheff Wed. took advantage. |
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