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Post by werrington on Oct 31, 2023 8:56:14 GMT
At long last….a National journalist who says it as it is:
Super League rebels got off lightly — why are Everton being crushed?
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Martin Samuel
Saturday October 28 2023, 6.00pm
When six clubs conspired towards the ruination of English football for their selfish ends, the Premier League knew exactly what to do. It fined the European Super League rebels £22 million, collectively. So, roughly £3.66 million each for a plot that would have destroyed our domestic game. That showed them.
Yet if Everton are proved to have contravened profit and sustainability rules, the same body is pushing for a 12-point deduction. So, pretty much, relegation. In the past two seasons, with a 12-point deduction, Everton would have gone down, as they would on five other occasions this century. With seven points from nine games in this campaign, Everton would almost certainly drop if docked the Premier League’s recommended 12 points.
It used to be the EFL that sought to kill clubs for financial misconduct, but now the Premier League has developed a taste for blood. The desire to crush Everton is no doubt related to the looming government regulator and wanting to show politicians that the league can be trusted with self-regulation. Yet whose fault is it that football is now coming under the remit of Westminster? It would be those six clubs again, who combined in a betrayal so heinous it suggested football required external control, handing the game to the politicians.
Yet they got away with it. Compared with Everton, if the Premier League has its way, at least. There was no relegation for Manchester United, Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham Hotspur, Chelsea and Manchester City. There should have been, if we’re talking justice.
The rightful punishment for attempting to break away from the league should have been to get their wish. Except, instead of moving into a closed-shop Super League with Real Madrid and Barcelona, they should have been allowed to enter the Championship and see how the other half lived. Six up, six down, and we’ve got six right here, handily. Norwich City, Watford, Brentford, Swansea City, Barnsley and Bournemouth would have been the beneficiaries, presuming no play-offs, and then the “big six” could have fought it out for promotion like weasels in a sack. Three up the first year, and three waiting it out until the next, providing they all delivered. The second tranche would have got back at the end of last season. Now that’s a deterrent.
It was never going to happen, of course. The Premier League were too worried about driving them into the greedy arms of the European elite to make an example, and too worried about the harm to their own product. Yet who would have benefited had the Super League six been significantly punished? A club such as Everton, perhaps, or Wolverhampton Wanderers, Brighton & Hove Albion, Crystal Palace, West Ham United, Leicester City. A club straining every sinew, spending every penny, just to keep up — at the risk of a 12-point deduction if they fail.
Why did Everton misspend their finances? Because they were trying to compete. Oligarchs, sovereign wealth funds and American venture capitalist groups have raised the bar for investment so high that Mike Ashley — a man with a net worth of £3.84 billion according to the Sunday Times Rich List — felt he could not participate as Newcastle United owner. So in came a sovereign wealth fund, and now they’re in the mix. But that doesn’t make it any easier for Everton.
The group trying to buy Everton, 777 Partners, approached Newcastle’s owners on hearing they were interested in a multi-club model. It owns stakes in clubs including Genoa, Vasco Da Gama, Hertha Berlin and Standard Liège and thought this would give the Public Investment Fund of Saudi Arabia a ready-made package. Newcastle were not interested, but it shows what is needed to get a seat around the table these days. 777 Partners was hoping to obtain Saudi investment by proxy to make its takeover work. If this deal now stalls — although there is no suggestion 777 has lost interest — what is Everton’s owner, Farhad Moshiri, to do? This is a desperate club, a club in crisis that has made huge mistakes.
At which point in comes the Premier League with its helpful 12-point deduction. Not a fine, or a transfer embargo. A plunge through the trapdoor. And it may be argued this is merely a negotiating tool. Ask for 12, get six. The league may think if it makes no demand at all it runs the risk of a repeat of the West Ham and Sheffield United saga of 2007, following an initially weak ruling over third-party interference. Yet be careful what you wish for — you may get it. And would it serve as a deterrent? Not really, because the need to compete remains.
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Post by theonlooker on Oct 31, 2023 9:16:49 GMT
Nothing will happen. They'll get a slap on the wrist whilst the clubs in the EFL will continue to get hammered for exactly the same crimes.
Good on the journo though for breaking ranks.
Hope he likes horses heads...
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 31, 2023 10:02:13 GMT
At long last….a National journalist who says it as it is: Super League rebels got off lightly — why are Everton being crushed? new Martin Samuel Saturday October 28 2023, 6.00pm When six clubs conspired towards the ruination of English football for their selfish ends, the Premier League knew exactly what to do. It fined the European Super League rebels £22 million, collectively. So, roughly £3.66 million each for a plot that would have destroyed our domestic game. That showed them. Yet if Everton are proved to have contravened profit and sustainability rules, the same body is pushing for a 12-point deduction. So, pretty much, relegation. In the past two seasons, with a 12-point deduction, Everton would have gone down, as they would on five other occasions this century. With seven points from nine games in this campaign, Everton would almost certainly drop if docked the Premier League’s recommended 12 points. It used to be the EFL that sought to kill clubs for financial misconduct, but now the Premier League has developed a taste for blood. The desire to crush Everton is no doubt related to the looming government regulator and wanting to show politicians that the league can be trusted with self-regulation. Yet whose fault is it that football is now coming under the remit of Westminster? It would be those six clubs again, who combined in a betrayal so heinous it suggested football required external control, handing the game to the politicians. Yet they got away with it. Compared with Everton, if the Premier League has its way, at least. There was no relegation for Manchester United, Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham Hotspur, Chelsea and Manchester City. There should have been, if we’re talking justice. The rightful punishment for attempting to break away from the league should have been to get their wish. Except, instead of moving into a closed-shop Super League with Real Madrid and Barcelona, they should have been allowed to enter the Championship and see how the other half lived. Six up, six down, and we’ve got six right here, handily. Norwich City, Watford, Brentford, Swansea City, Barnsley and Bournemouth would have been the beneficiaries, presuming no play-offs, and then the “big six” could have fought it out for promotion like weasels in a sack. Three up the first year, and three waiting it out until the next, providing they all delivered. The second tranche would have got back at the end of last season. Now that’s a deterrent. It was never going to happen, of course. The Premier League were too worried about driving them into the greedy arms of the European elite to make an example, and too worried about the harm to their own product. Yet who would have benefited had the Super League six been significantly punished? A club such as Everton, perhaps, or Wolverhampton Wanderers, Brighton & Hove Albion, Crystal Palace, West Ham United, Leicester City. A club straining every sinew, spending every penny, just to keep up — at the risk of a 12-point deduction if they fail. Why did Everton misspend their finances? Because they were trying to compete. Oligarchs, sovereign wealth funds and American venture capitalist groups have raised the bar for investment so high that Mike Ashley — a man with a net worth of £3.84 billion according to the Sunday Times Rich List — felt he could not participate as Newcastle United owner. So in came a sovereign wealth fund, and now they’re in the mix. But that doesn’t make it any easier for Everton. The group trying to buy Everton, 777 Partners, approached Newcastle’s owners on hearing they were interested in a multi-club model. It owns stakes in clubs including Genoa, Vasco Da Gama, Hertha Berlin and Standard Liège and thought this would give the Public Investment Fund of Saudi Arabia a ready-made package. Newcastle were not interested, but it shows what is needed to get a seat around the table these days. 777 Partners was hoping to obtain Saudi investment by proxy to make its takeover work. If this deal now stalls — although there is no suggestion 777 has lost interest — what is Everton’s owner, Farhad Moshiri, to do? This is a desperate club, a club in crisis that has made huge mistakes. At which point in comes the Premier League with its helpful 12-point deduction. Not a fine, or a transfer embargo. A plunge through the trapdoor. And it may be argued this is merely a negotiating tool. Ask for 12, get six. The league may think if it makes no demand at all it runs the risk of a repeat of the West Ham and Sheffield United saga of 2007, following an initially weak ruling over third-party interference. Yet be careful what you wish for — you may get it. And would it serve as a deterrent? Not really, because the need to compete remains. Always had a soft spot for Everton. It does feel like they’re an easy target when the likes of Chelsea literally get away with abusing the system. |
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Post by desman2 on Oct 31, 2023 10:08:17 GMT
Its the introduction of the Premire League which began the demise of football. The principle was positive but the reality is far from that, It became a vehicle for everyone to get a slice of the cake except football itself. I even remember our own club being exploited by the council for simply getting promoted by increasing its business rates
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 31, 2023 10:16:32 GMT
At long last….a National journalist who says it as it is: Super League rebels got off lightly — why are Everton being crushed? new Martin Samuel Saturday October 28 2023, 6.00pm When six clubs conspired towards the ruination of English football for their selfish ends, the Premier League knew exactly what to do. It fined the European Super League rebels £22 million, collectively. So, roughly £3.66 million each for a plot that would have destroyed our domestic game. That showed them. Yet if Everton are proved to have contravened profit and sustainability rules, the same body is pushing for a 12-point deduction. So, pretty much, relegation. In the past two seasons, with a 12-point deduction, Everton would have gone down, as they would on five other occasions this century. With seven points from nine games in this campaign, Everton would almost certainly drop if docked the Premier League’s recommended 12 points. It used to be the EFL that sought to kill clubs for financial misconduct, but now the Premier League has developed a taste for blood. The desire to crush Everton is no doubt related to the looming government regulator and wanting to show politicians that the league can be trusted with self-regulation. Yet whose fault is it that football is now coming under the remit of Westminster? It would be those six clubs again, who combined in a betrayal so heinous it suggested football required external control, handing the game to the politicians. Yet they got away with it. Compared with Everton, if the Premier League has its way, at least. There was no relegation for Manchester United, Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham Hotspur, Chelsea and Manchester City. There should have been, if we’re talking justice. The rightful punishment for attempting to break away from the league should have been to get their wish. Except, instead of moving into a closed-shop Super League with Real Madrid and Barcelona, they should have been allowed to enter the Championship and see how the other half lived. Six up, six down, and we’ve got six right here, handily. Norwich City, Watford, Brentford, Swansea City, Barnsley and Bournemouth would have been the beneficiaries, presuming no play-offs, and then the “big six” could have fought it out for promotion like weasels in a sack. Three up the first year, and three waiting it out until the next, providing they all delivered. The second tranche would have got back at the end of last season. Now that’s a deterrent. It was never going to happen, of course. The Premier League were too worried about driving them into the greedy arms of the European elite to make an example, and too worried about the harm to their own product. Yet who would have benefited had the Super League six been significantly punished? A club such as Everton, perhaps, or Wolverhampton Wanderers, Brighton & Hove Albion, Crystal Palace, West Ham United, Leicester City. A club straining every sinew, spending every penny, just to keep up — at the risk of a 12-point deduction if they fail. Why did Everton misspend their finances? Because they were trying to compete. Oligarchs, sovereign wealth funds and American venture capitalist groups have raised the bar for investment so high that Mike Ashley — a man with a net worth of £3.84 billion according to the Sunday Times Rich List — felt he could not participate as Newcastle United owner. So in came a sovereign wealth fund, and now they’re in the mix. But that doesn’t make it any easier for Everton. The group trying to buy Everton, 777 Partners, approached Newcastle’s owners on hearing they were interested in a multi-club model. It owns stakes in clubs including Genoa, Vasco Da Gama, Hertha Berlin and Standard Liège and thought this would give the Public Investment Fund of Saudi Arabia a ready-made package. Newcastle were not interested, but it shows what is needed to get a seat around the table these days. 777 Partners was hoping to obtain Saudi investment by proxy to make its takeover work. If this deal now stalls — although there is no suggestion 777 has lost interest — what is Everton’s owner, Farhad Moshiri, to do? This is a desperate club, a club in crisis that has made huge mistakes. At which point in comes the Premier League with its helpful 12-point deduction. Not a fine, or a transfer embargo. A plunge through the trapdoor. And it may be argued this is merely a negotiating tool. Ask for 12, get six. The league may think if it makes no demand at all it runs the risk of a repeat of the West Ham and Sheffield United saga of 2007, following an initially weak ruling over third-party interference. Yet be careful what you wish for — you may get it. And would it serve as a deterrent? Not really, because the need to compete remains. Always had a soft spot for Everton. It does feel like they’re an easy target when the likes of Chelsea literally get away with abusing the system. To be fair Chelsea didn't abuse the system did they? They simply found something of a loophole as Simon Jordan explained a few months ago. So did we to be fair |
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Oct 31, 2023 12:25:54 GMT
Can't always take Martin Samuel seriously with his pro London club bias. But he's bang on the money here.
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Post by PotterLog on Oct 31, 2023 13:58:56 GMT
Looks like the PL are as sick of Everton spawnily avoiding relegation every other season as everyone else
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Post by chiswickpotter on Oct 31, 2023 14:01:19 GMT
At long last….a National journalist who says it as it is: Super League rebels got off lightly — why are Everton being crushed? new Martin Samuel Saturday October 28 2023, 6.00pm When six clubs conspired towards the ruination of English football for their selfish ends, the Premier League knew exactly what to do. It fined the European Super League rebels £22 million, collectively. So, roughly £3.66 million each for a plot that would have destroyed our domestic game. That showed them. Yet if Everton are proved to have contravened profit and sustainability rules, the same body is pushing for a 12-point deduction. So, pretty much, relegation. In the past two seasons, with a 12-point deduction, Everton would have gone down, as they would on five other occasions this century. With seven points from nine games in this campaign, Everton would almost certainly drop if docked the Premier League’s recommended 12 points. It used to be the EFL that sought to kill clubs for financial misconduct, but now the Premier League has developed a taste for blood. The desire to crush Everton is no doubt related to the looming government regulator and wanting to show politicians that the league can be trusted with self-regulation. Yet whose fault is it that football is now coming under the remit of Westminster? It would be those six clubs again, who combined in a betrayal so heinous it suggested football required external control, handing the game to the politicians. Yet they got away with it. Compared with Everton, if the Premier League has its way, at least. There was no relegation for Manchester United, Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham Hotspur, Chelsea and Manchester City. There should have been, if we’re talking justice. The rightful punishment for attempting to break away from the league should have been to get their wish. Except, instead of moving into a closed-shop Super League with Real Madrid and Barcelona, they should have been allowed to enter the Championship and see how the other half lived. Six up, six down, and we’ve got six right here, handily. Norwich City, Watford, Brentford, Swansea City, Barnsley and Bournemouth would have been the beneficiaries, presuming no play-offs, and then the “big six” could have fought it out for promotion like weasels in a sack. Three up the first year, and three waiting it out until the next, providing they all delivered. The second tranche would have got back at the end of last season. Now that’s a deterrent. It was never going to happen, of course. The Premier League were too worried about driving them into the greedy arms of the European elite to make an example, and too worried about the harm to their own product. Yet who would have benefited had the Super League six been significantly punished? A club such as Everton, perhaps, or Wolverhampton Wanderers, Brighton & Hove Albion, Crystal Palace, West Ham United, Leicester City. A club straining every sinew, spending every penny, just to keep up — at the risk of a 12-point deduction if they fail. Why did Everton misspend their finances? Because they were trying to compete. Oligarchs, sovereign wealth funds and American venture capitalist groups have raised the bar for investment so high that Mike Ashley — a man with a net worth of £3.84 billion according to the Sunday Times Rich List — felt he could not participate as Newcastle United owner. So in came a sovereign wealth fund, and now they’re in the mix. But that doesn’t make it any easier for Everton. The group trying to buy Everton, 777 Partners, approached Newcastle’s owners on hearing they were interested in a multi-club model. It owns stakes in clubs including Genoa, Vasco Da Gama, Hertha Berlin and Standard Liège and thought this would give the Public Investment Fund of Saudi Arabia a ready-made package. Newcastle were not interested, but it shows what is needed to get a seat around the table these days. 777 Partners was hoping to obtain Saudi investment by proxy to make its takeover work. If this deal now stalls — although there is no suggestion 777 has lost interest — what is Everton’s owner, Farhad Moshiri, to do? This is a desperate club, a club in crisis that has made huge mistakes. At which point in comes the Premier League with its helpful 12-point deduction. Not a fine, or a transfer embargo. A plunge through the trapdoor. And it may be argued this is merely a negotiating tool. Ask for 12, get six. The league may think if it makes no demand at all it runs the risk of a repeat of the West Ham and Sheffield United saga of 2007, following an initially weak ruling over third-party interference. Yet be careful what you wish for — you may get it. And would it serve as a deterrent? Not really, because the need to compete remains. Threatening to join the Super League was a breach of rules but actually generated no harm. They were not thrown out because the whole English game would be worse off if they had been - Everton would more likely have gone bankrupt once the TV deal collapsed because the evidence is clear that the bIg 6 subsidise the rest of the Premier League. If guilty, Everton have been cheating and putting out a stronger team than the rules allow. This almost certainly directly harmed clubs which have been relegated during the period of any breaches of rules. Everton should be punished. It is far from ideal but the two issues are very different and the case is that Everton were not straining every sinew fairly, they were spending money beyond what other clubs were able to, increasing the pressure on those other clubs. |
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 31, 2023 14:07:09 GMT
Its the introduction of the Premire League which began the demise of football. The principle was positive but the reality is far from that, It became a vehicle for everyone to get a slice of the cake except football itself. I even remember our own club being exploited by the council for simply getting promoted by increasing its business rates I think you mean the spin was positive. It was only ever about placating the big clubs and ensuring they stayed in the fold. Fast forward 30 years and they still want more and are still threatening to fuck off. The absolute best thing that could have happened to the game would have been for the ESL to have happened. They could literally have all fucked off to Saudi and played each other to death. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 31, 2023 15:27:44 GMT
And if it wasn't for the original 12 founder members the likes of man utd, Liverpool, Chelsea, arsenal Tottenham etc would not have the platform they have today.
Personally I wish the big 6 had just fucked off and left us to reorganise our leagues without them. I like the Premier league but in all honesty its a bit of a circus with only 4 teams who can really win it. 2 teams most years.
Indeed if I really had my own way when stoke played Everton it would be with players only from those areas. Impractical in the modern world I know but that would be great cheering on lads who you know would die for the shirt because its their City.
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 31, 2023 15:41:21 GMT
Always had a soft spot for Everton. It does feel like they’re an easy target when the likes of Chelsea literally get away with abusing the system. To be fair Chelsea didn't abuse the system did they? They simply found something of a loophole as Simon Jordan explained a few months ago. So did we to be fair Chelsea now being investigated for financial breaches in 2013. So what will happen about that? New owners have reported these. How come they only surface 10 years after the event? |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 31, 2023 15:58:00 GMT
To be fair Chelsea didn't abuse the system did they? They simply found something of a loophole as Simon Jordan explained a few months ago. So did we to be fair Chelsea now being investigated for financial breaches in 2013. So what will happen about that? New owners have reported these. How come they only surface 10 years after the event? I don't have that info to hand but was referring to the current purchases and Simon Jordans comments re how they could sign the players they did . Let's see what happens |
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 31, 2023 16:17:58 GMT
To be fair Chelsea didn't abuse the system did they? They simply found something of a loophole as Simon Jordan explained a few months ago. So did we to be fair Chelsea now being investigated for financial breaches in 2013. So what will happen about that? New owners have reported these. How come they only surface 10 years after the event? Chelsea called themselves out in the hope that they will get clemency due to it being under a previous regime. They also know they are in the clear from UEFA due to their bullshit 5 year rule that Man City exploited by not picking up the phone for 6 years whenever UEFA rang. |
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 31, 2023 16:35:25 GMT
Chelsea now being investigated for financial breaches in 2013. So what will happen about that? New owners have reported these. How come they only surface 10 years after the event? Chelsea called themselves out in the hope that they will get clemency due to it being under a previous regime. They also know they are in the clear from UEFA due to their bullshit 5 year rule that Man City exploited by not picking up the phone for 6 years whenever UEFA rang. It stinks....it really does. They won the PL soon after those financial breaches. |
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 31, 2023 16:42:30 GMT
Chelsea called themselves out in the hope that they will get clemency due to it being under a previous regime. They also know they are in the clear from UEFA due to their bullshit 5 year rule that Man City exploited by not picking up the phone for 6 years whenever UEFA rang. It stinks....it really does. They won the PL soon after those financial breaches. Kerching! |
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Post by leicspotter on Oct 31, 2023 17:48:33 GMT
ABBA got it right...money,money,money  |
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