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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 29, 2023 18:50:37 GMT
Makes me laugh how every season, somebody claims that this league is worse than the previous season. We must be down below the old Ansells Sunday league by now. Last season was worse for the teams that came down and up. But overall the standard hasn’t changed since we were last here. It’s just shit. You don’t have to be good to get out of this league. That’s why it’s so bloody frustrating we’ve so bad. I played in the anseellls Sunday league and wasn’t bad in fact the older I get the better I was
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Post by jokker on Oct 29, 2023 18:55:41 GMT
We can win 5 of the next 10, based on what we've seen this past few games. I stopped short of saying easily. 5 wins, 3 draws, 18 pts, puts us right back in the mix. If we can only win 5 of the next 10 there are teams currently just below us, who can (win more than 5). If we don't achieve consistency, we could easily be looking at 16...again. There's just so little to choose between 9th and 18th, just three points in fact. A couple of losses in between those "programmed" wins and we're lower midtable.
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Post by stokefanone on Oct 29, 2023 19:01:57 GMT
20 points from those 10 games would be great. Expect 17-18 thought. I am sure we would be top 8, then promotion challenge. I think that’s doable.
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Post by nonameface on Oct 29, 2023 19:05:07 GMT
As long as the players continue to go out and try their hardest like they have in the last three games then we've got a good chance of continuing to pick up good results, especially if injuries are kept to a minimum. But if they are as complacent as some of the comments on here we could start falling down the league again.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Oct 30, 2023 1:34:28 GMT
There were teams lumping it in the old first division. I've not watched a League 1 or 2 game recently but enough teams come up to the Championship every year and do ok to suggest it isn't that bad. Certainly the skill and fitness levels in the Championship are way better now than they have ever been - you still get crap games because teams cancel each other out, not because the quality isn't that good. The quality is awful. Look at Leeds. Meant to be a good team but they couldn’t pass wind. I get why people like the competitiveness but it’s not good football. Hmm... personally I thought we were lucky that Farke got it wrong on Wednesday night by resting some of his players!!! Playing Summerville and James from the start could have told a totally different story like it did against Huddersfield yesterday, with both players grabbing a brace each.... But I'll take it!!!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 30, 2023 1:36:34 GMT
The quality is awful. Look at Leeds. Meant to be a good team but they couldn’t pass wind. I get why people like the competitiveness but it’s not good football. Hmm... personally I thought we were lucky that Farke got it wrong on Wednesday night by resting some of his players!!! Playing Summerville and James from the start could have told a totally different story like it did against Huddersfield yesterday, with both players grabbing a brace each.... But I'll take it!!! Again though that just brings another aspect of the shitness - the managers. That Neil is the 6th longest serving manager in this league speaks volumes. They are dross.
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Post by ceejays on Oct 30, 2023 5:12:12 GMT
Well go and support Man City though you’d probably find fault with them too . Lol
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Post by silverdollar on Oct 30, 2023 8:43:30 GMT
The quality is awful. Look at Leeds. Meant to be a good team but they couldn’t pass wind. I get why people like the competitiveness but it’s not good football. Hmm... personally I thought we were lucky that Farke got it wrong on Wednesday night by resting some of his players!!! Playing Summerville and James from the start could have told a totally different story like it did against Huddersfield yesterday, with both players grabbing a brace each.... But I'll take it!!! A team is only as good as their opponents let them play!
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Post by jokker on Oct 30, 2023 8:44:59 GMT
20 points from those 10 games would be great. Expect 17-18 thought. I am sure we would be top 8, then promotion challenge. I think that’s doable. I'm not a betting man, so I don't make expectations of what we can and cannot do. However, our target for those ten games should be thirty points...if we don't achieve it, then okay, but at least we tried. I just cannot abide any longer with the themes of winnable and losable games. Every game is winnable. Period.
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Post by greystokie on Oct 30, 2023 8:57:12 GMT
Christ calm down. We’ve won 3 in a row for the first time in God knows how long. If we can keep it up that we’re winning a couple or 3 a month that’s more than good enough in this shit league. Yeah i know and i get it, but we have just played 3 very good championship sides and beaten them all. No reason we cant not lose the next 10/11 Yes there is. Our history is littered with cases where lowly opposition have ended a good spell of wins and walked away with all the points. It's a Stoke thing! 🙄
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Oct 30, 2023 9:51:19 GMT
Hmm... personally I thought we were lucky that Farke got it wrong on Wednesday night by resting some of his players!!! Playing Summerville and James from the start could have told a totally different story like it did against Huddersfield yesterday, with both players grabbing a brace each.... But I'll take it!!! A team is only as good as their opponents let them play! That is true.... But like I say, we were lucky that we didn't have to face their two best players until late on.... Both had an impact when they came on, but luckily we stuck to our task, especially when Hoever made that block on Summerville, which looked to be a certain goal!!!
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Post by silverdollar on Oct 30, 2023 11:48:23 GMT
A team is only as good as their opponents let them play! That is true.... But like I say, we were lucky that we didn't have to face their two best players until late on.... Both had an impact when they came on, but luckily we stuck to our task, especially when Hoever made that block on Summerville, which looked to be a certain goal!!! Yes we benefitted from them being left out against us but managers do not expect even their best players to play three tough matches nowadays. They rotate their squads. Many on this site believe we had a poorer eleven out against Leeds and yet we won. Gone are the days of sticking to your best eleven every week!
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 30, 2023 13:09:31 GMT
There were teams lumping it in the old first division. I've not watched a League 1 or 2 game recently but enough teams come up to the Championship every year and do ok to suggest it isn't that bad. Certainly the skill and fitness levels in the Championship are way better now than they have ever been - you still get crap games because teams cancel each other out, not because the quality isn't that good. The quality is awful. Look at Leeds. Meant to be a good team but they couldn’t pass wind. I get why people like the competitiveness but it’s not good football. We didn't let them pass it around - we pressed hard and they made mistakes. It looked to me like they thought that could win in cruise control but couldn't - we did a job on them. The standard on the Championship is way better now than it was when we last in it and way, way better than it was when it was Division 2. The technical ability, fitness, diet, tactical know how is on a different plane now - the things the likes of Wenger brought to the elite clubs of the day has filtered down the leagues. What you are doing is moaning about the standard of Championship football compared with the Premiership and yes there is a gulf in standard. However to say the standard of football in the Championship is crap in an absolute sense and in particular compared with how it used to be is nonsense. We aren't up there with the elite at the moment and if you don't like being second best and can't enjoy it for what it is (and it is still pretty good) why do you bother? Any sane person would just walk away and do something they actually enjoy doing.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 30, 2023 13:42:08 GMT
The quality is awful. Look at Leeds. Meant to be a good team but they couldn’t pass wind. I get why people like the competitiveness but it’s not good football. We didn't let them pass it around - we pressed hard and they made mistakes. It looked to me like they thought that could win in cruise control but couldn't - we did a job on them. The standard on the Championship is way better now than it was when we last in it and way, way better than it was when it was Division 2. The technical ability, fitness, diet, tactical know how is on a different plane now - the things the likes of Wenger brought to the elite clubs of the day has filtered down the leagues. What you are doing is moaning about the standard of Championship football compared with the Premiership and yes there is a gulf in standard. However to say the standard of football in the Championship is crap in an absolute sense and in particular compared with how it used to be is nonsense. We aren't up there with the elite at the moment and if you don't like being second best and can't enjoy it for what it is (and it is still pretty good) why do you bother? Any sane person would just walk away and do something they actually enjoy doing. We didn’t but a good team should have broke it as it wasn’t a great press as we were carrying Mmaee. The standard is poor.
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 30, 2023 13:59:21 GMT
We won’t avoid defeat for the next ten.
The important thing is our response to losing a game or two. If we can bounce back fast then we have a chance of breaking into the top 6.
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Post by senojbor on Oct 30, 2023 14:25:08 GMT
I don't want Bayern nutcake to reply telling us how shit this league is. It's only shit when you are not winning. We have brought in some very good players at this level and if we don't get cursed with to many injuries we will at least make the play offs.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 30, 2023 14:27:36 GMT
I don't want Bayern nutcake to reply telling us how shit this league is. It's only shit when you are not winning. We have brought in some very good players at this level and if we don't get cursed with to many injuries we will at least make the play offs. You don’t think the football is generally shit? It’s an awful league and you don’t need to be good to get out of it.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Oct 30, 2023 14:32:33 GMT
That is true.... But like I say, we were lucky that we didn't have to face their two best players until late on.... Both had an impact when they came on, but luckily we stuck to our task, especially when Hoever made that block on Summerville, which looked to be a certain goal!!! Yes we benefitted from them being left out against us but managers do not expect even their best players to play three tough matches nowadays. They rotate their squads. Many on this site believe we had a poorer eleven out against Leeds and yet we won. Gone are the days of sticking to your best eleven every week! Yeah, I agree, I'm merely stating just that..... That we benefited from James and Summerville being rested!!!
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Post by wonderwall on Oct 30, 2023 14:33:32 GMT
We will likely lose to Cardiff.
That’s how we roll.
Frustrating as hell.
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Post by skip on Oct 30, 2023 14:33:48 GMT
I don't want Bayern nutcake to reply telling us how shit this league is. It's only shit when you are not winning. We have brought in some very good players at this level and if we don't get cursed with to many injuries we will at least make the play offs. You don’t think the football is generally shit? It’s an awful league and you don’t need to be good to get out of it. It depends on how you define and measure 'good'. And don't say 'good at football' as that means bugger all in the scheme of things. You have to have a squad and manager that knows what they're doing week in week out. You have to be good to win that battle between the thick end of ten teams that could finish in the top six, and then win the battle of 4 - 6 should you end up on the playoffs. Indeed, the playoffs were introduced to extend the unpredictability of the league through to the conclusion of the season. That all is far from easy to get out of. Whether you're good enough to stay up in the next league is neither here nor there, but saying its easy to go up is far from the reality of many clubs, not just Stoke.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 30, 2023 14:38:05 GMT
You don’t think the football is generally shit? It’s an awful league and you don’t need to be good to get out of it. It depends on how you define and measure 'good'. And don't say 'good at football' as that means bugger all in the scheme of things. You have to have a squad and manager that knows what they're doing week in week out. You have to be good to win that battle between the thick end of ten teams that could finish in the top six, and then win the battle of 4 - 6 should you end up on the playoffs. Indeed, the playoffs were introduced to extend the unpredictability of the league through to the conclusion of the season. That all is far from easy to get out of. Whether you're good enough to stay up in the next league is neither here nor there, but saying its easy to go up is far from the reality of many clubs, not just Stoke. I haven’t said it’s easy to get off. Just that you don’t have to be good. None of the sides that went up last season were good teams. Burnley looked bloody awful on the whole to me.
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 30, 2023 14:44:10 GMT
I remember this conversation after the Cov game and our hoped-for play-off push Sunderland 5-1 Blackburn 3-2 Boro 1-1 Norwich 0-0 Cov 4-0 Bristol C 1-2 Brum 0-0 WBA 1-2 Wigan 0-1 Cardiff 1-1 QPR 0-1 Watford 0-2 Aa has been said, as a general rule, we do always look okay against teams that fancy their chances against us and make a game of it (as the last 3 games have shown)- less so teams that just dig in and make it tough. But we do hopefully have more arrows in our quiver now. Apart from the top 2, the league seems to be much of a muchness as usual.
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Post by idle on Oct 30, 2023 14:47:32 GMT
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Post by cousindupree on Oct 30, 2023 14:50:17 GMT
I am the last person to get carried away and predict top 6. But looking at the last three teams we have beaten who are all fancied for top six I haven't been impressed by them and if that's our main competition then it shouldn't be fanciful. As many have said consistency and depth of squad are crucial. I think come january we shoe the depth of squad but inconsistency is still an issue. I guess we will find that out over the next few games. just in case there are any gamblers out there. The current betting odds to achieve promotion from the last 3 teams we have played are Leeds 1/1 Middlesborough 6/1 Sunderland 8/1..............and Stoke City 22/1. (generous odds from our friends at Paddypower). Worth a shilling or two?
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 30, 2023 16:13:37 GMT
I remember this conversation after the Cov game and our hoped-for play-off push Sunderland 5-1 Blackburn 3-2 Boro 1-1 Norwich 0-0 Cov 4-0 Bristol C 1-2 Brum 0-0 WBA 1-2 Wigan 0-1 Cardiff 1-1 QPR 0-1 Watford 0-2 Aa has been said, as a general rule, we do always look okay against teams that fancy their chances against us and make a game of it (as the last 3 games have shown)- less so teams that just dig in and make it tough. But we do hopefully have more arrows in our quiver now. Apart from the top 2, the league seems to be much of a muchness as usual. So depressing when you look at that run of results!!!
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Post by skemstokie on Oct 30, 2023 16:49:45 GMT
I remember this conversation after the Cov game and our hoped-for play-off push Sunderland 5-1 Blackburn 3-2 Boro 1-1 Norwich 0-0 Cov 4-0 Bristol C 1-2 Brum 0-0 WBA 1-2 Wigan 0-1 Cardiff 1-1 QPR 0-1 Watford 0-2 Aa has been said, as a general rule, we do always look okay against teams that fancy their chances against us and make a game of it (as the last 3 games have shown)- less so teams that just dig in and make it tough. But we do hopefully have more arrows in our quiver now. Apart from the top 2, the league seems to be much of a muchness as usual. And how many of the players who played in those games are still at the club?
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Post by jokker on Oct 30, 2023 17:05:39 GMT
I am the last person to get carried away and predict top 6. But looking at the last three teams we have beaten who are all fancied for top six I haven't been impressed by them and if that's our main competition then it shouldn't be fanciful. As many have said consistency and depth of squad are crucial. I think come january we shoe the depth of squad but inconsistency is still an issue. I guess we will find that out over the next few games. just in case there are any gamblers out there. The current betting odds to achieve promotion from the last 3 teams we have played are Leeds 1/1 Middlesborough 6/1 Sunderland 8/1..............and Stoke City 22/1. (generous odds from our friends at Paddypower). Worth a shilling or two? The competion is between 3rd and 18th. Very little seperate those teams. Any team can beat any team in this league. We happened to get our act together in the last three games, but in the several weeks before it was other teams that were on top and we were courting rock bottom. The circle goes round and round again. Now we're the alleged form team so every team will want to beat us. Some may succeed, if we take current success - which consists of three games - as proof that we are now a team headed for the top. We're not. Yet.
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Post by J-Roar on Oct 30, 2023 17:07:34 GMT
This place is brilliant. From probably relegated to unbeaten until Xmas in the space of 9 days
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 30, 2023 17:08:28 GMT
This place is brilliant. From probably relegated to unbeaten until Xmas in the space of 9 days Tbf isn’t that the Chanpionship? Seems to happen every season.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 30, 2023 17:17:10 GMT
I don't want Bayern nutcake to reply telling us how shit this league is. It's only shit when you are not winning. We have brought in some very good players at this level and if we don't get cursed with to many injuries we will at least make the play offs. To be fair it is
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