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Post by ashleyscfc on Jul 6, 2024 19:49:59 GMT
Bit of an update from today. Screen looks much bigger than expected. Better than a minibus park… Still looks a month away
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jul 6, 2024 19:57:15 GMT
Bit of an update from today. Screen looks much bigger than expected. Better than a minibus park… Still looks a month away Looks a bit sparse Do you have to bring your own sandwiches?
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Post by raythesailor on Jul 6, 2024 20:22:08 GMT
Could we make the half time break thirty mins and use a dodgy stick on the big screen to watch another game whilst having a pie and a pint? 😔😀
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jul 6, 2024 20:25:37 GMT
I’m one of those weapons, I never liked it and I may be superstitious (and wrong), but it felt like we started going downhill as soon as it was introduced. If the team play good football and give us some optimism, the pre-match atmosphere improves by default. Why does it? It never does. There’s never any singing before kick off. Towards the end of the season when crowds were good it was begging for a loud Delilah through the speakers. It sets the tone and I just don’t understand why it was dropped. I don't think it will ever come back, sportsman. Even though it was sung by a national icon and has never been banned by broadcasters as far as I know, it's about a man murdering a woman with a knife in a fit of sexual jealousy, which hardly feels appropriate in modern society, and makes some fans, particularly women, feel uncomfortable. The Stoke fans version, in so far as it has a meaning, appears to be about a man threatening rape. Some parents bringing their children feel uncomfortable about the language in our version. I know that the Club had complaints for both those reasons. Obviously, those singing Delilah do not take the words literally or seriously, but whatever you think of those arguments, why have an anthem which makes some fans feel uncomfortable? We surely want something which all fans feel they can sing and enjoy. The words also have nothing to do with football. For those reasons, personally I think the Club was right to stop playing it, and right to re-name the fans bar as "Ricardos", despite the tremendous sound and atmosphere which a rendition of Delilah can create. You may recall that welsh rugby had a similar debate about it. Personally, I love "we'll be with you", which is unique to Stoke City, was written by a Stoke girl, Jackie Trent, and her husband, Tony Hatch, specially for our '72 Wembley final, and the words of which perfectly sum up the relationship between the fans and the team.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jul 6, 2024 20:32:55 GMT
Why does it? It never does. There’s never any singing before kick off. Towards the end of the season when crowds were good it was begging for a loud Delilah through the speakers. It sets the tone and I just don’t understand why it was dropped. I don't think it will ever come back, sportsman. Even though it was sung by a national icon and has never been banned by broadcasters as far as I know, it's about a man murdering a woman with a knife in a fit of sexual jealousy, which hardly feels appropriate in modern society, and makes some fans, particularly women, feel uncomfortable. The Stoke fans version, in so far as it has a meaning, appears to be about a man threatening rape. Some parents bringing their children feel uncomfortable about the language in our version. I know that the Club had complaints for both those reasons. Obviously, those singing Delilah do not take the words literally or seriously, but whatever you think of those arguments, why have an anthem which makes some fans feel uncomfortable? We surely want something which all fans feel they can sing and enjoy. The words also have nothing to do with football. For those reasons, personally I think the Club was right to stop playing it, and right to re-name the fans bar as "Ricardos", despite the tremendous sound and atmosphere which a rendition of Delilah can create. You may recall that welsh rugby had a similar debate about it. Personally, I love "we'll be with you", which is unique to Stoke City, was written by a Stoke girl, Jackie Trent, and her husband, Tony Hatch, specially for our '72 Wembley final, and the words of which perfectly sum up the relationship between the fans and the team. I mentioned this to someone a few weeks ago who said was threatening violence etc and should be banned off the radio etc I pointed out to him that the opening line of Bohemian Rhapsody surely means that should also be banned if going down that route . It was voted the greatest song of all time by Radio 1 ...not by me. Personally I would ban it because it's Queen but that's another story One rule for Welsh people and one for blokes with huge moustaches and Spandex pants We do like banning stuff these days though
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jul 6, 2024 21:13:24 GMT
I don't think it will ever come back, sportsman. Even though it was sung by a national icon and has never been banned by broadcasters as far as I know, it's about a man murdering a woman with a knife in a fit of sexual jealousy, which hardly feels appropriate in modern society, and makes some fans, particularly women, feel uncomfortable. The Stoke fans version, in so far as it has a meaning, appears to be about a man threatening rape. Some parents bringing their children feel uncomfortable about the language in our version. I know that the Club had complaints for both those reasons. Obviously, those singing Delilah do not take the words literally or seriously, but whatever you think of those arguments, why have an anthem which makes some fans feel uncomfortable? We surely want something which all fans feel they can sing and enjoy. The words also have nothing to do with football. For those reasons, personally I think the Club was right to stop playing it, and right to re-name the fans bar as "Ricardos", despite the tremendous sound and atmosphere which a rendition of Delilah can create. You may recall that welsh rugby had a similar debate about it. Personally, I love "we'll be with you", which is unique to Stoke City, was written by a Stoke girl, Jackie Trent, and her husband, Tony Hatch, specially for our '72 Wembley final, and the words of which perfectly sum up the relationship between the fans and the team. I mentioned this to someone a few weeks ago who said was threatening violence etc and should be banned off the radio etc I pointed out to him that the opening line of Bohemian Rhapsody surely means that should also be banned if going down that route . It was voted the greatest song of all time by Radio 1 ...not by me. Personally I would ban it because it's Queen but that's another story One rule for Welsh people and one for blokes with huge moustaches and Spandex pants We do like banning stuff these days though Although I don't pretend to understand all BR, I suppose one difference is that the guy in it is inside for his crime and not being let out, and it's not in any sense glorifying his violence, rather the reverse. It's an interesting debate but my feeling is that it's a debate you simply don't need to have when choosing a football anthem - you need a song which all fans feel comfortable singing. Talking of banned songs, nothing to do with football but at the recent Keele Day they were playing a play list which included "Leader of the Pack" by the Shangri Las, a loud song about a guy who was killed on his motorbike. It was banned by the BBC. In Jan 1965 the "Morning Service" on the Home Service (now radio 4) was brodcast live from Keele. It was an emotional occasion nationally because Winston Churchill had just died, and it was the Vice-Chancellors first appearance after the death of his wife. A guy called Mick Novy set up a record player under the stage, connected it to the PA system and crept in to put on Leader of the Pack. So a very loud banned record was broadcast live on the radio. The BBC terminated the broadcast and started playing solemn music. It caused a great upset inside the service. Mick was caught and expelled, even though he was in his final year.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jul 6, 2024 21:19:58 GMT
I mentioned this to someone a few weeks ago who said was threatening violence etc and should be banned off the radio etc I pointed out to him that the opening line of Bohemian Rhapsody surely means that should also be banned if going down that route . It was voted the greatest song of all time by Radio 1 ...not by me. Personally I would ban it because it's Queen but that's another story One rule for Welsh people and one for blokes with huge moustaches and Spandex pants We do like banning stuff these days though Although I don't pretend to understand all BR, I suppose one difference is that the guy in it is inside for his crime and not being let out, and it's not in any sense glorifying his violence, rather the reverse. It's an interesting debate but my feeling is that it's a debate you simply don't need to have when choosing a football anthem - you need a song which all fans feel comfortable singing. Talking of banned songs, nothing to do with football but at the recent Keele Day they were playing a play list which included "Leader of the Pack" by the Shangri Las, a loud song about a guy who was killed on his motorbike. It was banned by the BBC. In Jan 1965 the "Morning Service" on the Home Service (now radio 4) was brodcast live from Keele. It was an emotional occasion nationally because Winston Churchill had just died, and it was the Vice-Chancellors first appearance after the death of his wife. A guy called Mick Novy set up a record player under the stage, connected it to the PA system and crept in to put on Leader of the Pack. So a very loud banned record was broadcast live on the radio. The BBC terminated the broadcast and started playing solemn music. It caused a great upset inside the service. Mick was caught and expelled, even though he was in his final year. I have to be honest I did similar at a school assembly Switched tapes on one of the Christian Brothers. What should have been a Cat Stevens playing through the sound system was instead a very naughty Sex Pistols song to much amusement. If in doubt the teachers blamed William Quirke ...he was used to it and was past caring.
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 6, 2024 21:39:59 GMT
Bit of an update from today. Screen looks much bigger than expected. Better than a minibus park… Still looks a month away Looks a lovely day and a nice photo.
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 6, 2024 21:41:32 GMT
Although I don't pretend to understand all BR, I suppose one difference is that the guy in it is inside for his crime and not being let out, and it's not in any sense glorifying his violence, rather the reverse. It's an interesting debate but my feeling is that it's a debate you simply don't need to have when choosing a football anthem - you need a song which all fans feel comfortable singing. Talking of banned songs, nothing to do with football but at the recent Keele Day they were playing a play list which included "Leader of the Pack" by the Shangri Las, a loud song about a guy who was killed on his motorbike. It was banned by the BBC. In Jan 1965 the "Morning Service" on the Home Service (now radio 4) was brodcast live from Keele. It was an emotional occasion nationally because Winston Churchill had just died, and it was the Vice-Chancellors first appearance after the death of his wife. A guy called Mick Novy set up a record player under the stage, connected it to the PA system and crept in to put on Leader of the Pack. So a very loud banned record was broadcast live on the radio. The BBC terminated the broadcast and started playing solemn music. It caused a great upset inside the service. Mick was caught and expelled, even though he was in his final year. I have to be honest I did similar at a school assembly Switched tapes on one of the Christian Brothers. What should have been a Cat Stevens playing through the sound system was instead a very naughty Sex Pistols song to much amusement. If in doubt the teachers blamed William Quirke ...he was used to it and was past caring. Quirke by name...
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jul 6, 2024 21:43:55 GMT
I have to be honest I did similar at a school assembly Switched tapes on one of the Christian Brothers. What should have been a Cat Stevens playing through the sound system was instead a very naughty Sex Pistols song to much amusement. If in doubt the teachers blamed William Quirke ...he was used to it and was past caring. Quirke by name... Good left winger was the Quirkster . We often had to get him out of detention when we had a game. A ringer for Bob Geldof
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 6, 2024 21:45:15 GMT
I don't think it will ever come back, sportsman. Even though it was sung by a national icon and has never been banned by broadcasters as far as I know, it's about a man murdering a woman with a knife in a fit of sexual jealousy, which hardly feels appropriate in modern society, and makes some fans, particularly women, feel uncomfortable. The Stoke fans version, in so far as it has a meaning, appears to be about a man threatening rape. Some parents bringing their children feel uncomfortable about the language in our version. I know that the Club had complaints for both those reasons. Obviously, those singing Delilah do not take the words literally or seriously, but whatever you think of those arguments, why have an anthem which makes some fans feel uncomfortable? We surely want something which all fans feel they can sing and enjoy. The words also have nothing to do with football. For those reasons, personally I think the Club was right to stop playing it, and right to re-name the fans bar as "Ricardos", despite the tremendous sound and atmosphere which a rendition of Delilah can create. You may recall that welsh rugby had a similar debate about it. Personally, I love "we'll be with you", which is unique to Stoke City, was written by a Stoke girl, Jackie Trent, and her husband, Tony Hatch, specially for our '72 Wembley final, and the words of which perfectly sum up the relationship between the fans and the team. I mentioned this to someone a few weeks ago who said was threatening violence etc and should be banned off the radio etc I pointed out to him that the opening line of Bohemian Rhapsody surely means that should also be banned if going down that route . It was voted the greatest song of all time by Radio 1 ...not by me. Personally I would ban it because it's Queen but that's another story One rule for Welsh people and one for blokes with huge moustaches and Spandex pants We do like banning stuff these days though Queen are shit, apartheid supporting cunts. And Brian May, in particular is a megatwat
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jul 6, 2024 21:46:24 GMT
I mentioned this to someone a few weeks ago who said was threatening violence etc and should be banned off the radio etc I pointed out to him that the opening line of Bohemian Rhapsody surely means that should also be banned if going down that route . It was voted the greatest song of all time by Radio 1 ...not by me. Personally I would ban it because it's Queen but that's another story One rule for Welsh people and one for blokes with huge moustaches and Spandex pants We do like banning stuff these days though Queen are shit, apartheid supporting cunts. And Brian May, in particular is a megatwat Harsh on megatwats comparing them to him
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 6, 2024 21:49:18 GMT
Queen are shit, apartheid supporting cunts. And Brian May, in particular is a megatwat Harsh on megatwats comparing them to him I upgraded him because I don't mind badgers
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jul 6, 2024 22:01:10 GMT
Harsh on megatwats comparing them to him I upgraded him because I don't mind badgers Big bitey things More of a tree loris man myself. Not sure if Queen were fans of the Tree Loris. I think more of a Heaven 17 or Modern Romance kind of creature you feel. I think Howard Jones owned one or he may have lied to impress Smash Hits
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 6, 2024 22:06:20 GMT
I upgraded him because I don't mind badgers Big bitey things More of a tree loris man myself. Not sure if Queen were fans of the Tree Loris. I think more of a Heaven 17 or Modern Romance kind of creature you feel. I think Howard Jones owned one or he may have lied to impress Smash Hits Hopefully he didn't keep one in chains like his freaky bald sex slave.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jul 6, 2024 22:07:42 GMT
Big bitey things More of a tree loris man myself. Not sure if Queen were fans of the Tree Loris. I think more of a Heaven 17 or Modern Romance kind of creature you feel. I think Howard Jones owned one or he may have lied to impress Smash Hits Hopefully he didn't keep one in chains like his freaky bald sex slave. He never did throw off those mental chains..woo hoo hoo Poor 80s gimp
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Post by willieeetmiout on Jul 6, 2024 23:46:16 GMT
Why does it? It never does. There’s never any singing before kick off. Towards the end of the season when crowds were good it was begging for a loud Delilah through the speakers. It sets the tone and I just don’t understand why it was dropped. I don't think it will ever come back, sportsman. Even though it was sung by a national icon and has never been banned by broadcasters as far as I know, it's about a man murdering a woman with a knife in a fit of sexual jealousy, which hardly feels appropriate in modern society, and makes some fans, particularly women, feel uncomfortable. The Stoke fans version, in so far as it has a meaning, appears to be about a man threatening rape. Some parents bringing their children feel uncomfortable about the language in our version. I know that the Club had complaints for both those reasons. Obviously, those singing Delilah do not take the words literally or seriously, but whatever you think of those arguments, why have an anthem which makes some fans feel uncomfortable? We surely want something which all fans feel they can sing and enjoy. The words also have nothing to do with football. For those reasons, personally I think the Club was right to stop playing it, and right to re-name the fans bar as "Ricardos", despite the tremendous sound and atmosphere which a rendition of Delilah can create. You may recall that welsh rugby had a similar debate about it. Personally, I love "we'll be with you", which is unique to Stoke City, was written by a Stoke girl, Jackie Trent, and her husband, Tony Hatch, specially for our '72 Wembley final, and the words of which perfectly sum up the relationship between the fans and the team. What does it doesn't feel appropriate in a modern society actually mean? Do you advocate for the removal of all references in society to Othello or Carmen or Pagliacci or even Romeo and Juliet. It's pandering at its finest.
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 7, 2024 0:01:04 GMT
I beg to differ
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 7, 2024 0:05:57 GMT
Queen are shit, apartheid supporting cunts. And Brian May, in particular is a megatwat Harsh on megatwats comparing them to him Old Poodlehair is a saint
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 7, 2024 1:09:07 GMT
Harsh on megatwats comparing them to him Old Poodlehair is a saint You would say that tbf
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jul 7, 2024 1:12:31 GMT
Harsh on megatwats comparing them to him Old Poodlehair is a saint I don't follow music but his group of popsters are my ...turn off the radio, quickly bunch of people. Are no Haircuts or the Never ending Story chap
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Post by sportsman on Jul 7, 2024 6:26:12 GMT
I don't think it will ever come back, sportsman. Even though it was sung by a national icon and has never been banned by broadcasters as far as I know, it's about a man murdering a woman with a knife in a fit of sexual jealousy, which hardly feels appropriate in modern society, and makes some fans, particularly women, feel uncomfortable. The Stoke fans version, in so far as it has a meaning, appears to be about a man threatening rape. Some parents bringing their children feel uncomfortable about the language in our version. I know that the Club had complaints for both those reasons. Obviously, those singing Delilah do not take the words literally or seriously, but whatever you think of those arguments, why have an anthem which makes some fans feel uncomfortable? We surely want something which all fans feel they can sing and enjoy. The words also have nothing to do with football. For those reasons, personally I think the Club was right to stop playing it, and right to re-name the fans bar as "Ricardos", despite the tremendous sound and atmosphere which a rendition of Delilah can create. You may recall that welsh rugby had a similar debate about it. Personally, I love "we'll be with you", which is unique to Stoke City, was written by a Stoke girl, Jackie Trent, and her husband, Tony Hatch, specially for our '72 Wembley final, and the words of which perfectly sum up the relationship between the fans and the team. What does it doesn't feel appropriate in a modern society actually mean? Do you advocate for the removal of all references in society to Othello or Carmen or Pagliacci or even Romeo and Juliet. It's pandering at its finest. I think it’s a pathetic view, no offence to Malcolm, but if the club have done it because of this reason it’s a joke. People look to be offended by things all the time now. Oh well, I’ll never moan again about it being over sung ever again. Belt it out every 5 minutes if that’s the case. We can all choose to be offended by something, shall we all bombard the club with things we’re offended by? Maybe parents will ask for all visiting players to be on their best behaviour as well so we don’t all sing wanker wanker at them? It’s coming
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Post by kerouac on Jul 7, 2024 9:05:38 GMT
Why does it? It never does. There’s never any singing before kick off. Towards the end of the season when crowds were good it was begging for a loud Delilah through the speakers. It sets the tone and I just don’t understand why it was dropped. I don't think it will ever come back, sportsman. Even though it was sung by a national icon and has never been banned by broadcasters as far as I know, it's about a man murdering a woman with a knife in a fit of sexual jealousy, which hardly feels appropriate in modern society, and makes some fans, particularly women, feel uncomfortable. The Stoke fans version, in so far as it has a meaning, appears to be about a man threatening rape. Some parents bringing their children feel uncomfortable about the language in our version. I know that the Club had complaints for both those reasons. Obviously, those singing Delilah do not take the words literally or seriously, but whatever you think of those arguments, why have an anthem which makes some fans feel uncomfortable? We surely want something which all fans feel they can sing and enjoy. The words also have nothing to do with football. For those reasons, personally I think the Club was right to stop playing it, and right to re-name the fans bar as "Ricardos", despite the tremendous sound and atmosphere which a rendition of Delilah can create. You may recall that welsh rugby had a similar debate about it. Personally, I love "we'll be with you", which is unique to Stoke City, was written by a Stoke girl, Jackie Trent, and her husband, Tony Hatch, specially for our '72 Wembley final, and the words of which perfectly sum up the relationship between the fans and the team. I love “we’ll be with you “ too……but we’ve got to slow it down. For me,the best way to improve the pre match atmosphere is to turn off the effing PA blasting out horrible tunes,and get some songs going.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 7, 2024 9:17:56 GMT
Old Poodlehair is a saint You would say that tbf His music is horrendous but his work for Britains wildlife is second to none
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Post by J-Roar on Jul 7, 2024 9:18:04 GMT
What does it doesn't feel appropriate in a modern society actually mean? Do you advocate for the removal of all references in society to Othello or Carmen or Pagliacci or even Romeo and Juliet. It's pandering at its finest. I think it’s a pathetic view, no offence to Malcolm, but if the club have done it because of this reason it’s a joke. People look to be offended by things all the time now. Oh well, I’ll never moan again about it being over sung ever again. Belt it out every 5 minutes if that’s the case. We can all choose to be offended by something, shall we all bombard the club with things we’re offended by? Maybe parents will ask for all visiting players to be on their best behaviour as well so we don’t all sing wanker wanker at them? It’s coming It's just a shit song.
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Post by sportsman on Jul 7, 2024 9:25:59 GMT
I think it’s a pathetic view, no offence to Malcolm, but if the club have done it because of this reason it’s a joke. People look to be offended by things all the time now. Oh well, I’ll never moan again about it being over sung ever again. Belt it out every 5 minutes if that’s the case. We can all choose to be offended by something, shall we all bombard the club with things we’re offended by? Maybe parents will ask for all visiting players to be on their best behaviour as well so we don’t all sing wanker wanker at them? It’s coming It's just a shit song. It’s our song
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Post by thestatusquo on Jul 7, 2024 9:43:08 GMT
Big bitey things More of a tree loris man myself. Not sure if Queen were fans of the Tree Loris. I think more of a Heaven 17 or Modern Romance kind of creature you feel. I think Howard Jones owned one or he may have lied to impress Smash Hits Hopefully he didn't keep one in chains like his freaky bald sex slave. I saw Freaky Bald Sex Slave supporting World of Twist in the early 90s. Don’t know what happened to them
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jul 7, 2024 9:51:17 GMT
Hopefully he didn't keep one in chains like his freaky bald sex slave. I saw Freaky Bald Sex Slave supporting World of Twist in the early 90s. Don’t know what happened to them I think Christopher Biggins keeps them in his basement and lets them out for panto season when he gains employment, annually Good they have a sponsor , albeit a Fritzl meets Widow Twankey- easque one
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Post by thornestein on Jul 7, 2024 10:22:47 GMT
Why does it? It never does. There’s never any singing before kick off. Towards the end of the season when crowds were good it was begging for a loud Delilah through the speakers. It sets the tone and I just don’t understand why it was dropped. I don't think it will ever come back, sportsman. Even though it was sung by a national icon and has never been banned by broadcasters as far as I know, it's about a man murdering a woman with a knife in a fit of sexual jealousy, which hardly feels appropriate in modern society, and makes some fans, particularly women, feel uncomfortable. The Stoke fans version, in so far as it has a meaning, appears to be about a man threatening rape. Some parents bringing their children feel uncomfortable about the language in our version. I know that the Club had complaints for both those reasons. Obviously, those singing Delilah do not take the words literally or seriously, but whatever you think of those arguments, why have an anthem which makes some fans feel uncomfortable? We surely want something which all fans feel they can sing and enjoy. The words also have nothing to do with football. For those reasons, personally I think the Club was right to stop playing it, and right to re-name the fans bar as "Ricardos", despite the tremendous sound and atmosphere which a rendition of Delilah can create. You may recall that welsh rugby had a similar debate about it. Personally, I love "we'll be with you", which is unique to Stoke City, was written by a Stoke girl, Jackie Trent, and her husband, Tony Hatch, specially for our '72 Wembley final, and the words of which perfectly sum up the relationship between the fans and the team. wow the world gets crazier, some ppl just need chill out a bit
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jul 7, 2024 10:31:18 GMT
What does it doesn't feel appropriate in a modern society actually mean? Do you advocate for the removal of all references in society to Othello or Carmen or Pagliacci or even Romeo and Juliet. It's pandering at its finest. I think it’s a pathetic view, no offence to Malcolm, but if the club have done it because of this reason it’s a joke. People look to be offended by things all the time now. Oh well, I’ll never moan again about it being over sung ever again. Belt it out every 5 minutes if that’s the case. We can all choose to be offended by something, shall we all bombard the club with things we’re offended by? Maybe parents will ask for all visiting players to be on their best behaviour as well so we don’t all sing wanker wanker at them? It’s coming Just to clarify, I am not a spokesman for the Club. Their reasons are a matter to be discussed with them. Whatever their reasons are, I personally think it's the right decision for the reasons I said. I don't think that the lyrics, either of the original or our version are appropriate or pleasant, particularly at a time when there is great concern about both knife crime and sexual violence against women. That's just my personal view. Of course I don't think the very large majority of those singing it take those words seriously or think about them, but I think it's just silly to have an anthem which some supporters or potential supporters, probably mainly women and parents, are uncomfortable with, when we are trying to retain all supporters, attract new stokies from the widest possible demographic and create an atmosphere which all fans can enjoy and contribute to.
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