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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 27, 2023 18:06:28 GMT
As Hitler announced his plan to invade Poland and launch the Holocaust, primarily targeting Jews, he instructed his henchmen: “Send to death mercilessly and without compassion, men, women, and children. … Only thus shall we gain the living space (lebensraum) which we need. Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?” Hitler made that declaration only a couple of decades after the Armenian Genocide began in 1915, during which as many as 1.2 million of the country’s citizens were murdered by the Ottoman Empire. Sadly, that same genocidal hostility continues to this very day. At least 68 people were killed and 105 remain missing after an explosion at a fuel depot, officials said on Tuesday, in the breakaway Nagorno-Karabakh region of Azerbaijan. The blast, which took place Monday, occurred as ethnic Armenians were rushing to leave the region and lining up to refuel their vehicles after a military offensive by Azerbaijan a week ago. The small Armenian Christian enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh — locally known as Artsakh — has long been part of historical Armenia. However, since December 2022, Artsakh has been under siege by neighboring Azerbaijan, and the world has largely ignored a prolonged assault on that peaceful community of 120,000 souls. Azeri President Ilham Aliyev — a close ally and confidante of Turkey’s neo-Ottoman leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan — is responsible for this deadly aggression. During the Artsakh blockade, access to food and medicine were cut off, while public utilities including electricity, internet and gas were either shut down or damaged. Meanwhile, the Lachin Corridor, the sole roadway between Artsakh and Armenia, was obstructed by the Azeris. Even emergency vehicles and humanitarian aid deliveries have been barricaded for more than nine months. And now, Artsakh’s Christians are being driven out of their historic homeland on a one-way journey to Armenia. It is noteworthy that Armenia was the world’s first Christian nation, declared as such in the year 301. While the phrase “ethnic cleansing” is increasingly used to describe Artsakh’s plight, few, if any, major news sources have taken note of the religious persecution that fuels the Azeri blockage. As Christianity Today has noted on the subject, “Sectarianism is a factor, as both Armenia and Azerbaijan have effectively merged their religious and ethnic identities. And with the latter’s attempts to erase the former’s historic Apostolic faith from the enclave … it would be improper to neglect their status as Christian.” Meanwhile, we have personal stories of tormented Christian families, reflecting the blockade’s effect on their shattered lives. An Armenian friend, Anna Gregoryan, has generously collected and shared messages from inside Artsakh. Gohar and Ishkhan wrote from the village of Meth Shen: We have a child who is sick at home and we’re out of medicine. My son can’t continue without medication. My sister, who lives in Yerevan, tried sending medicine several times, but was not successful. Canned food, our last food source is already gone, so we go to the forest and bring home whatever is edible. We don’t know how long we can last like this. Now that winter is right around the corner, the food sources from the forest will perish. Narine, in Stepanakert, described her plight: My disabled child who is diagnosed with encephalitis can’t get treatment, nor we can take her to Yerevan to get medical help. Fruit and vegetables are only a dream to us now. We eat a chunk of bread and a small amount of rice every day. Soon, there will be no more rice. … Along with parents who fear for their children, Artsakh’s elderly men and women are also struggling. Valentina in Stepanakert explained: I am retired, my legs are aching, there’s nothing left to eat. There was one bag of flour that we used bit by bit every day to make bread. Today was the last day of us making bread because there’s no more flour left. There’s no bread or flour at the market Sometimes it gets restocked at the market and we have to stand in a long line, however, I can’t handle standing in line for hours to get bread or flour. I know a few times where people fainted in the lines. I don’t know what I’m going to do tomorrow. I have to go to the forest now to find food, so I won’t starve to death. Following months of siege, Reuters reported last week: “Azerbaijan sent troops backed by artillery strikes into Armenian-controlled Nagorno-Karabakh on Tuesday in an attempt to bring the breakaway region to heel by force, raising the threat of a new war with its neighbor Armenia.” Once the Azeri military offensive was launched, thousands of terrified Armenian civilians fled their ancestral homes, seeking whatever shelter they could find — praying for rescue. Then, on Sept. 24, the Azeris finally opened the Lachin Corridor to evacuees, providing only a one-way journey to Armenia. In a matter of hours, hundreds of cars jammed the roadway. And most of those who left knew that they probably would never return. As he prepared to flee Artsakh, Nare Poghosyan wrote: For the last time I spent the night in my house. … I’m sorry, father, I’m sorry guys, I stayed in Artsakh until the end because of your spilled blood, building and building houses, dignity, honor and name, now I have no land, no home, no father. Not homeland. I don’t know where I'm going and where my day will end, but on the way to deportation, I realized what a real orphan is like. P.S.: I’m sorry, grandpa, I couldn't even cross the road and come to your native place of birth to say goodbye to you, or even take your photo hanging on the wall of the house with me. The most terrible dawn of my life on a foreign desert road. … I never imagined that one day I will have the last photo from the window of my house, and I won't be able to say goodbye to my other house. Because the Azeris want it that way. These tragic stories of persecution are heartbreaking. The situation for Armenian Christians is worsening. As the events of the past week highlight, the world needs to take notice. www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66905581www.france24.com/en/europe/20230927-tens-of-thousands-of-refugees-flee-nagorno-karabakh-for-armeniaHeartbreaking stuff, RIP to those killed and to those who surely will be in the coming days weeks and months
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 27, 2023 18:10:35 GMT
A challenge for Danceswithclams here, does he go there or not?🤔
On a serious note of course, I’ve never even heard of this, truly brutal!
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 27, 2023 18:16:57 GMT
A challenge for Danceswithclams here, does he go there or not?🤔 On a serious note of course, I’ve never even heard of this, truly brutal! It's funny how some atrocities make the news and some don't. It's been covered a bit as can be seen in the links above but no where near as much as it should be.
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Post by gawa on Sept 27, 2023 18:34:34 GMT
Up the ottoman empire!
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 27, 2023 20:18:28 GMT
Keen hell mucker I expected better from you.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 27, 2023 20:26:34 GMT
Keen hell mucker I expected better from you. Gawa loves a little fish mate, dunna take it personally. He’s a good guy😉
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 27, 2023 20:28:18 GMT
Keen hell mucker I expected better from you. Gawa loves a little fish mate, dunna take it personally. He’s a good guy😉 I know, I doubt if he's even a lefty because if he is he's the only one I don't mind engaging with 😂. Seems too normal to be from that team.
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Post by gawa on Sept 27, 2023 20:30:49 GMT
Keen hell mucker I expected better from you. Mate my barbers is called the ottoman and they do a proper good cut too. Feel ive got to show loyalty for that reason.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 27, 2023 20:32:25 GMT
Keen hell mucker I expected better from you. Mate my barbers is called the ottoman and they do a proper good cut too. Feel ive got to show loyalty for that reason. 🤣
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Post by danceswithclams on Sept 27, 2023 20:54:26 GMT
Saw Armenian Genocide supporting World of Twist in the early 90s.
Not as good as Rwandan Genocide if I'm being honest.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 27, 2023 21:02:25 GMT
He went there. Bravo👏🏻
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 27, 2023 21:10:36 GMT
Keen hell mucker I expected better from you. Mate my barbers is called the ottoman and they do a proper good cut too. Feel ive got to show loyalty for that reason. I go Istanbul barbers in Longton, they look like Ottomans to be fair 😁
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 27, 2023 21:13:00 GMT
Mate my barbers is called the ottoman and they do a proper good cut too. Feel ive got to show loyalty for that reason. I go Istanbul barbers in Longton, they look like Ottomans to be fair 😁 Cash only by any chance?
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Post by gawa on Sept 27, 2023 21:14:23 GMT
Saw Armenian Genocide supporting World of Twist in the early 90s. Not as good as Rwandan Genocide if I'm being honest. I don't get it. Is it something to do with system of a down?
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 27, 2023 21:14:33 GMT
I go Istanbul barbers in Longton, they look like Ottomans to be fair 😁 Cash only by any chance? Of course, stank of weed as well.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 27, 2023 21:14:58 GMT
Of course, stand of weed as well. Scum bags
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 27, 2023 21:16:16 GMT
Of course, stand of weed as well. Scum bags To be fair mate they do a good skin fade 😄
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 28, 2023 1:22:16 GMT
Saw Armenian Genocide supporting World of Twist in the early 90s. Not as good as Rwandan Genocide if I'm being honest. Mugabe Mayhem were pretty good on the introducing stage.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 28, 2023 7:05:23 GMT
Isn't this the natural consequence of biology and human nature? After all people are essentially tribal and one tribe will always try to come out on top. What is the point of getting upset about the natural way of things?
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 28, 2023 7:25:42 GMT
Isn't this the natural consequence of biology and human nature? After all people are essentially tribal and one tribe will always try to come out on top. What is the point of getting upset about the natural way of things? You weren’t bothered about the troubles in Northern Ireland then? Other than: Genocide Torture Destruction Religious persecution Political persecution Fleeing refugees No it’s not worth getting upset about I suppose.
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 28, 2023 7:35:42 GMT
Isn't this the natural consequence of biology and human nature? After all people are essentially tribal and one tribe will always try to come out on top. What is the point of getting upset about the natural way of things? I wouldn't say murder and genocide are a consequence of biology and human nature mate that's a disgusting thing to say, shame on you.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 28, 2023 8:25:33 GMT
Isn't this the natural consequence of biology and human nature? After all people are essentially tribal and one tribe will always try to come out on top. What is the point of getting upset about the natural way of things? I wouldn't say murder and genocide are a consequence of biology and human nature mate that's a disgusting thing to say, shame on you. Of course murder and genocide are the consequence of biology and human nature. Human beings are animals and like all animals will kill to survive. As social animals we group into tribes and by extension one tribe will kill off another tribe when they see them as a threat. What happened in Armenia is just nature and biology running its course. Same in Nazi Germany, same in Northern Ireland. It's not a disgusting thing to say it's a perfectly legitimate explanation and I feel absolutely no shame whatsoever in saying it.
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 28, 2023 8:26:40 GMT
I wouldn't say murder and genocide are a consequence of biology and human nature mate that's a disgusting thing to say, shame on you. Of course murder and genocide are the consequence of biology and human nature. Human beings are animals and like all animals will kill to survive. As social animals we group into tribes and by extension one tribe will kill off another tribe when they see them as a threat. What happened in Armenia is just nature and biology running its course. Same in Nazi Germany, same in Northern Ireland. It's not a disgusting thing to say it's a perfectly legitimate explanation and I feel absolutely no shame whatsoever in saying it. There are no words. 🤦♂️
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 28, 2023 8:28:05 GMT
Of course murder and genocide are the consequence of biology and human nature. Human beings are animals and like all animals will kill to survive. As social animals we group into tribes and by extension one tribe will kill off another tribe when they see them as a threat. What happened in Armenia is just nature and biology running its course. Same in Nazi Germany, same in Northern Ireland. It's not a disgusting thing to say it's a perfectly legitimate explanation and I feel absolutely no shame whatsoever in saying it. There are no words. 🤦♂️ Yes there are - you just don't have them.
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 28, 2023 8:34:20 GMT
Yes there are - you just don't have them. Oh I've got a few but I don't like to insult or name call online so I'll hold them back 😁
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 28, 2023 8:38:24 GMT
Yes there are - you just don't have them. Oh I've got a few but I don't like to insult or name call online so I'll hold them back 😁 Precisely - that's all you've got. I don't actually see your problem with this explanation - it's exactly what you said on another thread. Have you changed your mind?
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 28, 2023 8:44:18 GMT
Oh I've got a few but I don't like to insult or name call online so I'll hold them back 😁 Precisely - that's all you've got. I don't actually see your problem with this explanation - it's exactly what you said on another thread. Have you changed your mind? I didn't say anything of the sort mate as you well know. The fact that you are using a thread regarding innocent people being killed and forced to flee as an excuse to try and score political points shows you up for exactly what you are though.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 28, 2023 9:01:40 GMT
Precisely - that's all you've got. I don't actually see your problem with this explanation - it's exactly what you said on another thread. Have you changed your mind? I didn't say anything of the sort mate as you well know. The fact that you are using a thread regarding innocent people being killed and forced to flee as an excuse to try and score political points shows you up for exactly what you are though. You said your politics was based on biology and nature. I'm just pointing out the consequences of your political philosophy. What you have done here is virtue signalling of the most obvious kind - a completely random post to float the idea that you are a lovely guy, despite your far right political views, because all of a sudden your heart is bleeding for the Armenian people. If you don't understand that the Armenian genocide was down to allowing human mature and biology to run its course and that the Social Darwinist views you have expressed was the driving force for allowing these things to happen for much of the 18th and 19th centuries you have no understanding of history or the consequences of your political outlook.
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Post by aureliuspotter on Sept 28, 2023 9:10:25 GMT
I didn't say anything of the sort mate as you well know. The fact that you are using a thread regarding innocent people being killed and forced to flee as an excuse to try and score political points shows you up for exactly what you are though. You said your politics was based on biology and nature. I'm just pointing out the consequences of your political philosophy. What you have done here is virtue signalling of the most obvious kind - a completely random post to float the idea that you are a lovely guy, despite your far right political views, because all of a sudden your heart is bleeding for the Armenian people. If you don't understand that the Armenian genocide was down to allowing human mature and biology to run its course and that the Social Darwinist views you have expressed was the driving force for allowing these things to happen for much of the 18th and 19th centuries you have no understanding of history or the consequences of your political outlook. No I didn't, you've just made that up. I said biology and nature are part of the reason why multiculturalism doesn't work, I never said anything about genocide that's just where your mind goes because of how it's wired. It's why I don't bother to engage in a serious debate with you and other fat left wing extremists because you are snakey and disingenuous. You can't argue with biology and nature but you can certainly argue against genocide.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 28, 2023 11:48:34 GMT
I wouldn't say murder and genocide are a consequence of biology and human nature mate that's a disgusting thing to say, shame on you. Of course murder and genocide are the consequence of biology and human nature. Human beings are animals and like all animals will kill to survive. As social animals we group into tribes and by extension one tribe will kill off another tribe when they see them as a threat. What happened in Armenia is just nature and biology running its course. Same in Nazi Germany, same in Northern Ireland. It's not a disgusting thing to say it's a perfectly legitimate explanation and I feel absolutely no shame whatsoever in saying it. Not so mate….. Yes humans, like animals, are driven by instinct but the big difference is that humans can also reason and have emotions which animals do not. Human emotion and reason more often than not prevents us from killing others when they see them as a threat. Of course that emotion and reasoning can also have the opposite effect as with Hitler, Putin, what’s happening in Armenia and other genocide atrocities. Usually motivated by greed.
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