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Post by peterthornesboots on Oct 11, 2023 18:02:39 GMT
After the international break, We will enter in a relegation scrap proper, lasting until at least Christmas I cant see 3 teams worse than us at present The fact that we're even in the same ball park as Rotherham (R) and Sheff Weds (R) is criminal and depressing. There's only QPR keeping us out of the bottom 3 already and yes, I know about the injuries This is what I do not get about those that say "we are not going to get relegated". We finished on the same points total as Huddersfield last season and only three points better off than Rotherham and QPR. There is nothing so far to suggest that we are going to do any better. With three tough games coming up it is going to be a mammoth task for AN to get this ship turned around.
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 12, 2023 19:18:03 GMT
We have lost six players due to injury since the 4-1 win over Rotherham. Including the entire defense and the entire forward line.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 12, 2023 19:23:38 GMT
After the international break, We will enter in a relegation scrap proper, lasting until at least Christmas I cant see 3 teams worse than us at present The fact that we're even in the same ball park as Rotherham (R) and Sheff Weds (R) is criminal and depressing. There's only QPR keeping us out of the bottom 3 already and yes, I know about the injuries This is what I do not get about those that say "we are not going to get relegated". We finished on the same points total as Huddersfield last season and only three points better off than Rotherham and QPR. There is nothing so far to suggest that we are going to do any better. With three tough games coming up it is going to be a mammoth task for AN to get this ship turned around.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 12, 2023 19:24:32 GMT
This is what I do not get about those that say "we are not going to get relegated". We finished on the same points total as Huddersfield last season and only three points better off than Rotherham and QPR. There is nothing so far to suggest that we are going to do any better. With three tough games coming up it is going to be a mammoth task for AN to get this ship turned around. There is everything to suggest weâve deteriorated since then unless there is a huge change we are cast iron certain to go down in the current trajectory
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Post by Block 26 on Oct 13, 2023 12:18:35 GMT
There is everything to suggest weâve deteriorated since then unless there is a huge change we are cast iron certain to go down in the current trajectory We wonât go down Benji dunna worry! I reckon with a few weeks to spare come the end of the season we will be able to sing the âwe are staying upâ song.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 13, 2023 13:14:40 GMT
If this fool relegates us this season it would be the worst managerial performance in the history of professional football.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 13, 2023 14:39:16 GMT
There is everything to suggest weâve deteriorated since then unless there is a huge change we are cast iron certain to go down in the current trajectory We wonât go down Benji dunna worry! I reckon with a few weeks to spare come the end of the season we will be able to sing the âwe are staying upâ song. And the silver lining is at least a relegation battle is exciting rather than a lower mid table bore fest 𤣠Obviously I'd rather the excitement was because we were pushing at the other end of the table. But with the way this club is I think its lower mid table for us for the foreseeable hoping we don't fall through the trap door. Which we will eventually if we carry on. We are being left behind in terms of how the club is run. Like I always say, they run it like a social club. Its bollox. Absolute bollox.
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Post by Sfance on Oct 13, 2023 14:42:43 GMT
Hopefully no more than five more minutes.
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Post by jokker on Oct 13, 2023 15:25:10 GMT
If this fool relegates us this season it would be the worst managerial performance in the history of professional football. Nah... Not even close. Anyone can get their club relegated, and most managers have at one time or another in their careers. It's a simple fact, and any manager has to come to terms with it, before they take on a job, the next job, and the one after. Taking their club out of the English league is far, far worse. Taking the club out of existence is beyond words. It will be another 160 years before scfc go down that route or by the time football as we know it cease to exist, whichever comes first.
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 13, 2023 15:50:23 GMT
If this fool relegates us this season it would be the worst managerial performance in the history of professional football. Not being funny but I could keep this group of players up, it won't be even close
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Post by frasier37 on Oct 13, 2023 16:00:06 GMT
think i've gone past caring
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Post by skip on Oct 13, 2023 16:01:26 GMT
If this fool relegates us this season it would be the worst managerial performance in the history of professional football. This shouldn't make me laugh, but it did. In a jaundiced way.
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Post by nott1 on Oct 13, 2023 16:23:03 GMT
He's got six weeks to improve things before getting the axe!
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Post by callas12 on Oct 13, 2023 17:25:57 GMT
I know Neil's saying this international breaks come at a good time with regards to player recuperation etc, & I'm really not a fan of International breaks at the best of times but this one feels alot stranger than usual.
It's a kind of stay of execution for Neil in a way, it seems as though its kind of delaying the inevitable. Of course I hope we can come back and a couple of early home wins v Sunderland and Leeds will change our focus and we can go on a run. Buy even with players returning, I just can't see anything other than 1x point at best from our next two matches & knowing Stoke we'll end up sacking him between the International breaks & we'll have a month less for a new manager to come in and get to grips with things!
Fearing the worst but hoping for the best has been the way for our last 6 or so seasons & right now it feels even more relevant..
The board made drastic changes in the summer & even since Neil first arrived, they'll definitely feel as though they need to give the new process more time, but how much time they are prepared to give is going to a very intriguing decision for them to fathom put.
It certainly feels even in mid October that this is yet another wasted season. & yet again come the Spring we'll have the new Season Ticket campaigns being launched promising all sorts of things again for the the 24/25 season.
I'm not so sure if things continue as they are that as many folk will be hoodwinked into investing again for another failed season of much promise from the powers that be at our club!
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 13, 2023 18:25:03 GMT
I know Neil's saying this international breaks come at a good time with regards to player recuperation etc, & I'm really not a fan of International breaks at the best of times but this one feels alot stranger than usual. It's a kind of stay of execution for Neil in a way, it seems as though its kind of delaying the inevitable. Of course I hope we can come back and a couple of early home wins v Sunderland and Leeds will change our focus and we can go on a run. Buy even with players returning, I just can't see anything other than 1x point at best from our next two matches & knowing Stoke we'll end up sacking him between the International breaks & we'll have a month less for a new manager to come in and get to grips with things! Fearing the worst but hoping for the best has been the way for our last 6 or so seasons & right now it feels even more relevant.. The board made drastic changes in the summer & even since Neil first arrived, they'll definitely feel as though they need to give the new process more time, but how much time they are prepared to give is going to a very intriguing decision for them to fathom put. It certainly feels even in mid October that this is yet another wasted season. & yet again come the Spring we'll have the new Season Ticket campaigns being launched promising all sorts of things again for the the 24/25 season. I'm not so sure if things continue as they are that as many folk will be hoodwinked into investing again for another failed season of much promise from the powers that be at our club! "stay of execution" ?? đđ Not even on JC's mind.
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Post by jokker on Oct 13, 2023 18:45:09 GMT
I'm not so sure if things continue as they are that as many folk will be hoodwinked into investing again for another failed season of much promise from the powers that be at our club! So some people keep claiming, and I'm sure some actually do, or rather don't do, as you claim. It was said under the reigns of Pulis, Hughes, Lambert, Rowett, Jones, O'Neill and now Neil. Yet the size of the crowds that turn up every time is simply astonishing, compared to the past (when there was no streaming or even the occasional legal coverage to keep people at home). Looking at the figures, you'd think we were a very successful club that the supporters not only love, but love to watch... Now I am a very occasional viewer these days, so...
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 13, 2023 18:48:18 GMT
After the international break, We will enter in a relegation scrap proper, lasting until at least Christmas I cant see 3 teams worse than us at present The fact that we're even in the same ball park as Rotherham (R) and Sheff Weds (R) is criminal and depressing. There's only QPR keeping us out of the bottom 3 already and yes, I know about the injuries This is what I do not get about those that say "we are not going to get relegated". We finished on the same points total as Huddersfield last season and only three points better off than Rotherham and QPR. There is nothing so far to suggest that we are going to do any better. With three tough games coming up it is going to be a mammoth task for AN to get this ship turned around. We've got too many good players when they're fit, we're only in this position because of injuries and a lack of pre-season with 17 new players. I fully believe we'll be a decent outfit when the injuries come back. It's easy to point to the early games and say the results arn't there but the players have had to gel as a group and gain an understanding, and now the injuries. It really confuses me that people can't see it
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 13, 2023 19:09:06 GMT
When we are in the bottom 3 of the Premiership in Jan. In a couple of years time.
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Post by callas12 on Oct 13, 2023 19:45:38 GMT
I know Neil's saying this international breaks come at a good time with regards to player recuperation etc, & I'm really not a fan of International breaks at the best of times but this one feels alot stranger than usual. It's a kind of stay of execution for Neil in a way, it seems as though its kind of delaying the inevitable. Of course I hope we can come back and a couple of early home wins v Sunderland and Leeds will change our focus and we can go on a run. Buy even with players returning, I just can't see anything other than 1x point at best from our next two matches & knowing Stoke we'll end up sacking him between the International breaks & we'll have a month less for a new manager to come in and get to grips with things! Fearing the worst but hoping for the best has been the way for our last 6 or so seasons & right now it feels even more relevant.. The board made drastic changes in the summer & even since Neil first arrived, they'll definitely feel as though they need to give the new process more time, but how much time they are prepared to give is going to a very intriguing decision for them to fathom put. It certainly feels even in mid October that this is yet another wasted season. & yet again come the Spring we'll have the new Season Ticket campaigns being launched promising all sorts of things again for the the 24/25 season. I'm not so sure if things continue as they are that as many folk will be hoodwinked into investing again for another failed season of much promise from the powers that be at our club! "stay of execution" ?? đđ Not even on JC's mind. Not so sure about that. If we lose to Sunderland, Leeds and then away at Middlesbrough we'll be entrenched in the bottom 3 & something will have to give.. I'm all for giving a fair chance & JC sure will aswell in particular and is doing currently, but we'll soon be in November and if results don't improve dramatically soon, having to act won't be an option he can ignore. The crowd reaction to the next two home games will be quite telling aswell, was only the ref being so appalling in that Southampton game that let Neil off the hook in that one. We've had poor officials, players settling in, injuries, played the top team (Leicester), not been given blatant penalties in matches, at some point the excuses will have dried up.
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Post by whoareya on Oct 13, 2023 20:58:12 GMT
The plan to completely reboot the squad ran the risk that there wouldn't be an effective pre season. Neil himself is on record as saying that having a proper pre season is hugely important. He, and others at the club, took that risk. We are now paying for it with a disorganised squad and arguably more injuries than there should be.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Oct 13, 2023 21:25:26 GMT
âBuild a new side, weâll back youââŚ
âWe might sack you 10 weeks into the season thoughâ
Not going to happen is it, December time is most likely.
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Post by scfcnicholas on Oct 14, 2023 6:08:42 GMT
The plan to completely reboot the squad ran the risk that there wouldn't be an effective pre season. Neil himself is on record as saying that having a proper pre season is hugely important. He, and others at the club, took that risk. We are now paying for it with a disorganised squad and arguably more injuries than there should be. Thereâs so many excuses and reasons you can buy into for not achieving success. âTime to gelâ , â lack of a pre seasonâ â change of structureâ. Burnley had 13 odd new players through the door last season, Nottingham Forest had an instant impact from a great coach over night with the same squad. Carrick had a superb impact last season too with mostly unchanged tools. These arenât anomalies, itâs what is realistically very achievable if you stop making excuse after excuse. There are factors at play that do make it difficult and patience is key but Iâve never heard such a vast amount of erroneous excuses itâs ridiculous.
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Post by thornestein on Oct 14, 2023 6:14:57 GMT
âBuild a new side, weâll back youâ⌠âWe might sack you 10 weeks into the season thoughâ Not going to happen is it, December time is most likely. people said the same about MoN tbf , look what happened there
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2023 6:33:30 GMT
If this fool relegates us this season it would be the worst managerial performance in the history of professional football. The appointment of Nathan Jones at Southampton will take some beating.
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Post by whoareya on Oct 14, 2023 6:49:17 GMT
The plan to completely reboot the squad ran the risk that there wouldn't be an effective pre season. Neil himself is on record as saying that having a proper pre season is hugely important. He, and others at the club, took that risk. We are now paying for it with a disorganised squad and arguably more injuries than there should be. Thereâs so many excuses and reasons you can buy into for not achieving success. âTime to gelâ , â lack of a pre seasonâ â change of structureâ. Burnley had 13 odd new players through the door last season, Nottingham Forest had an instant impact from a great coach over night with the same squad. Carrick had a superb impact last season too with mostly unchanged tools. These arenât anomalies, itâs what is realistically very achievable if you stop making excuse after excuse. There are factors at play that do make it difficult and patience is key but Iâve never heard such a vast amount of erroneous excuses itâs ridiculous.
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Post by whoareya on Oct 14, 2023 6:57:48 GMT
Not sure who you are saying is making "erroneous excuses", the club or the fans? I am merely saying that the club took a gamble and it, so far, hasn't paid off. If being patient until, say, Christmas will mean that things take a turn for the better, then that would be great. But we didn't have anything like a squad until pre season was almost over and Neil himself has said that a poor pre season can have an effect on the second half of the season.
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Post by independent on Oct 14, 2023 8:56:20 GMT
Does this mean that it is going to get worse.
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 14, 2023 9:08:34 GMT
Does this mean that it is going to get worse. Depends if you believed Mark Hughes when he said to be perfectly honest we have a slow start to have a better second half to the season. Logic is the best tool for me in almost any situation, and in this case logic suggests with all the gelling, acclimatising and injuries taking its toll in the first dozen games then logically these won't be an issue to the same extent in the second half of the season which can only be of benefit. We're currently playing with a handicap and as a result we're par for the course at present
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Post by vidigal7 on Oct 14, 2023 9:12:42 GMT
Chuck in a January window and still I'm looking up the table, this relegation talk is glass half empty defeatist nonsense
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Oct 14, 2023 9:16:31 GMT
âBuild a new side, weâll back youâ⌠âWe might sack you 10 weeks into the season thoughâ Not going to happen is it, December time is most likely. people said the same about MoN tbf , look what happened there Exactly my point. He wasnât sacked early in the season
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