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Post by shakermaker on Sept 26, 2023 17:59:25 GMT
Anybody but the dour know nothing moron we have in charge now. Get him gone, along with that cretin Martin. John Terry for me - winner. Maybe Dean Smith with Terry. I would 100% have Terry as a defensive coach, maybe dual-working as Asst Manager. I think Terry left Villa's coaching team because he wants to be a manager in his own right. Needs to start off at a club with lower expectation levels than ours. Smith's work at Brentford and most of his Villa days can't be discounted, but he's gone off the boil since that last season at Villa.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 26, 2023 17:59:55 GMT
Anybody but the dour know nothing moron we have in charge now. Get him gone, along with that cretin Martin. John Terry for me - winner. Maybe Dean Smith with Terry. So long as he keeps his pecker zipped up and away from the players wives 😆
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Post by lordb on Sept 26, 2023 18:00:31 GMT
Anybody but the dour know nothing moron we have in charge now. Get him gone, along with that cretin Martin. John Terry for me - winner. Maybe Dean Smith with Terry. Terry is earning, or about to, an absurd fortune in Saudi Maybe his ego would accept missing out on that gravy train but doubt it
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 26, 2023 18:04:40 GMT
Anybody but the dour know nothing moron we have in charge now. Get him gone, along with that cretin Martin. John Terry for me - winner. Maybe Dean Smith with Terry. Are we really back to this? Being a winner as a player counts for nowt.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 26, 2023 18:08:11 GMT
Anybody but the dour know nothing moron we have in charge now. Get him gone, along with that cretin Martin. John Terry for me - winner. Maybe Dean Smith with Terry. Are we really back to this? Being a winner as a player counts for nowt. I think we're at the point where it doesn't matter who you are and what you've done when it comes to SCFC. Hassenhutl is an interesting one.
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Post by satoshi on Sept 26, 2023 18:10:13 GMT
Are we really back to this? Being a winner as a player counts for nowt. I think we're at the point where it doesn't matter who you are and what you've done when it comes to SCFC. Hassenhutl is an interesting one. Would kill for him
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2023 18:15:41 GMT
Would Lee Carsley be out of our league? Very good job with England U21s, could be a Steve Cooper-esque one.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 26, 2023 18:22:13 GMT
Are we really back to this? Being a winner as a player counts for nowt. I think we're at the point where it doesn't matter who you are and what you've done when it comes to SCFC. Hassenhutl is an interesting one. Think you're right. "Come and work for us. We will destroy you".
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 26, 2023 18:39:42 GMT
Anybody but the dour know nothing moron we have in charge now. Get him gone, along with that cretin Martin. John Terry for me - winner. Maybe Dean Smith with Terry. Terry is earning, or about to, an absurd fortune in Saudi Maybe his ego would accept missing out on that gravy train but doubt it Haha I think his ego would have him running for the hills if scfc come knocking. Who needs their ego bashing becoming the next lamb to the slaughter at scfc, the graveyard club. No one in their right mind that doesn't need the money will take this club on, there is a pattern developing
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2023 18:44:23 GMT
I think we're at the point where it doesn't matter who you are and what you've done when it comes to SCFC. Hassenhutl is an interesting one. Would kill for him Anyone in particular or just a random?
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 26, 2023 18:45:39 GMT
The next man will be a Mark Hughes type appointment, a rebirth of a spectacular failure that sees a glimpse of hope if he can just get it right
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Post by satoshi on Sept 26, 2023 18:51:11 GMT
Anyone in particular or just a random? You haven’t got a list?
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Post by marwood on Sept 26, 2023 19:03:35 GMT
I’d be happy with this. She’s successful and I’d love to see the dynamic with her and the players. The board couldn’t be accused of going for the same sort of manager and the media interest would be phenomenal creating a whole new group of fans. We would single-handedly destroy women’s football management and any future it has within six months Yes but would it mean Stoke Mens team would win games? If yes then yes from me. Put her in the dugout alongside an experienced pair of hands like Wayne Rooney or John Terry -dream ticket
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 26, 2023 19:11:26 GMT
Why do people have such a downer on Wilder? Every time I can recall us playing one of his sides, they've played us off the park with that weird system he uses. We even had the rather chastening spectacle of him celebrating winning this league in front of us - with a team that he built. Neil is our manager though, and I don't think that will change. The way he tanked at Boro I think, primarily, but then the way it fell apart at Sheffield United didn't speak well of him either, some absolutely dreadful signings for big money and chucking the players under the bus publicly every week. The Boro one was weird. I thought they were in a seriously false league position and they easily bested us in O'Neil's penultimate game - until they threw it away by going all out defence in the final ten minutes. The same squad then rocketed up the league soon after.
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Post by satoshi on Sept 26, 2023 19:12:05 GMT
We would single-handedly destroy women’s football management and any future it has within six months Yes but would it mean Stoke Mens team would win games? If yes then yes from me. Put her in the dugout alongside an experienced pair of hands like Wayne Rooney or John Terry -dream ticket Never in a month of Sundays
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2023 20:48:18 GMT
Anyone in particular or just a random? You haven’t got a list? All the names off my list are all dead now
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 26, 2023 20:51:06 GMT
The way he tanked at Boro I think, primarily, but then the way it fell apart at Sheffield United didn't speak well of him either, some absolutely dreadful signings for big money and chucking the players under the bus publicly every week. The Boro one was weird. I thought they were in a seriously false league position and they easily bested us in O'Neil's penultimate game - until they threw it away by going all out defence in the final ten minutes. The same squad then rocketed up the league soon after. Think they had a rough run the previous season too , their fans weren’t sad to see him go.
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Post by skip on Sept 26, 2023 21:08:04 GMT
I like Scotty Parker's dress sense and touchline demeanor... Immaculate style particularly with the cardigans. I'd be a bit concerned though about a wet Wednesday night. He tends to shun the traditional managers coat and will probably persevere with a fitted suit. Something of a gamble but could well picture him come May at Wembley play-offs in a smart Italian cotton shirt with top two buttons undone. Certainly improve on Alex the Jock in the style stakes. Absolutely terrible chavvy choices and sloppy fits. Sorry, have to disagree in the strongest terms. I'd take Alex Nail's ill fitting tracksuit over Scott Parker's Thom Browne cardigan any day of the week. Parker doesn't have style, he's a fashion victim. And I bet he wears Penny Loafers sans socks. Makes me itch to think about him gesticulating on our touchline.
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 26, 2023 21:34:54 GMT
I like Scotty Parker's dress sense and touchline demeanor... Immaculate style particularly with the cardigans. I'd be a bit concerned though about a wet Wednesday night. He tends to shun the traditional managers coat and will probably persevere with a fitted suit. Something of a gamble but could well picture him come May at Wembley play-offs in a smart Italian cotton shirt with top two buttons undone. Certainly improve on Alex the Jock in the style stakes. Absolutely terrible chavvy choices and sloppy fits. Sorry, have to disagree in the strongest terms. I'd take Alex Nail's ill fitting tracksuit over Scott Parker's Thom Browne cardigan any day of the week. Parker doesn't have style, he's a fashion victim. And I bet he wears Penny Loafers sans socks. Makes me itch to think about him gesticulating on our touchline. You think Scotty "Scott" Parker is a fashion victim? He wears Michael Chell trainers (white of course) with his dark blue Italian fitted suit. He makes AN look like a neanderthal.. He will do wonders for our image. Also occasionally he gels his hair back like a proper Mediterranean manager. Loves a bit of tapas as well
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Post by skip on Sept 26, 2023 21:55:35 GMT
Sorry, have to disagree in the strongest terms. I'd take Alex Nail's ill fitting tracksuit over Scott Parker's Thom Browne cardigan any day of the week. Parker doesn't have style, he's a fashion victim. And I bet he wears Penny Loafers sans socks. Makes me itch to think about him gesticulating on our touchline. You think Scotty "Scott" Parker is a fashion victim? He wears Michael Chell trainers (white of course) with his dark blue Italian fitted suit. He makes AN look like a neanderthal.. He will do wonders for our image. Also occasionally he gels his hair back like a proper Mediterranean manager. Loves a bit of tapas as well You should jump on the Jubilee Line on a Saturday lunchtime when West Ham are at home. Essence of Parker wafts out of every carriage and trust me, it's not nice.
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 26, 2023 22:36:40 GMT
You think Scotty "Scott" Parker is a fashion victim? He wears Michael Chell trainers (white of course) with his dark blue Italian fitted suit. He makes AN look like a neanderthal.. He will do wonders for our image. Also occasionally he gels his hair back like a proper Mediterranean manager. Loves a bit of tapas as well You should jump on the Jubilee Line on a Saturday lunchtime when West Ham are at home. Essence of Parker wafts out of every carriage and trust me, it's not nice. Scotty would never wear denim on matchday. He would never wear a club tracksuit.. His immaculate dress sense and style would transpose itself onto the pitch. Have we got any Italians in the squad?? Exactly.
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Sept 28, 2023 9:10:11 GMT
I don't think there's one good, realistic suggestion in here is there?
It's all very well just saying someone foreign but people said the same about our recruitment in the summer and now aren't happy with that.
If he doesn't improve things then he has to go but good god, who will we bring in?
Wilder looks the obvious choice but he's failed in his last couple of roles and wouldn't be universally approved.
I think we need to give Neil as long as we feasibly can to change things for the better. It would be different if there was an obvious go to option available who we needed to move swiftly on.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 28, 2023 9:40:42 GMT
I don't think there's one good, realistic suggestion in here is there? It's all very well just saying someone foreign but people said the same about our recruitment in the summer and now aren't happy with that. If he doesn't improve things then he has to go but good god, who will we bring in? Wilder looks the obvious choice but he's failed in his last couple of roles and wouldn't be universally approved. I think we need to give Neil as long as we feasibly can to change things for the better. It would be different if there was an obvious go to option available who we needed to move swiftly on. it does seem difficult than normal for a layman to identify a group of 2-3 likely options. In past years, there've always been 3-4 I'd have been superficially happy with. Not this time though. Wilder looks the one they'll look at because they have reportedly before, more than once (although, as you say, not sure how well another old school Brit coming off 2 relative failures would go down) www.footballinsider247.com/sources-sheffield-united-set-sights-on-appointing-chris-wilder-as-paul-heckingbottom-at-risk-of-first-sacking-of-season/And the Sheff United rumours aren't going away anyway, so may be a moot point. Dean Smith? Poor at Norwich and Leicester. Another one that wouldn't go down great After that, God only knows. Hassenhuttl probably wouldn't come. Terry is taking a Saudi job, Rooney's record is poor, Lampard's is worse. Could we attract Corberan? Probably not. I had a look for any likely lads in L1/2 the other day, and there was nobody that was being particularly touted for a move up the ladder. So that leaves a punt on an in-work manager abroad. And that can go horribly wrong And who's in charge of the process and making sure we're aware of who's out there? Martin? Theoretically, you'd think so. But he's Neil's mate. So is it John's mate in the pub? Who knows? There are obviously people out there who could do a great job given the opportunity, but actually identifying them seems pretty tough.
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 28, 2023 9:41:59 GMT
I don't think there's one good, realistic suggestion in here is there? It's all very well just saying someone foreign but people said the same about our recruitment in the summer and now aren't happy with that. If he doesn't improve things then he has to go but good god, who will we bring in? Wilder looks the obvious choice but he's failed in his last couple of roles and wouldn't be universally approved. I think we need to give Neil as long as we feasibly can to change things for the better. It would be different if there was an obvious go to option available who we needed to move swiftly on. It won't be obvious to any supporters, no. But surely we (The SCFC board) know what type of manager to avoid. For example it would be fruitless to appoint a defence minded manager with the type of defenders we have right now. We really need to get someone who can take advantage of our current strengths possibly our wingers or forward line. Our midfield can only be described as functional. Not saying the defence should be forgotten as that desperately needs further attention.
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Post by skip on Sept 28, 2023 9:44:29 GMT
And who's in charge of the process and making sure we're aware of who's out there? Martin? Theoretically, you'd think so. But he's Neil's mate. So is it John's mate in the pub? Who knows? There are obviously people out there who could do a great job given the opportunity, but actually identifying them seems pretty tough. Huge successful companies don't rely on chats with pals. They employ head hunting firms and are given clear parameters on what or who is required. I suspect we do not.
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Post by skip on Sept 28, 2023 9:46:33 GMT
I don't think there's one good, realistic suggestion in here is there? It's all very well just saying someone foreign but people said the same about our recruitment in the summer and now aren't happy with that. If he doesn't improve things then he has to go but good god, who will we bring in? Wilder looks the obvious choice but he's failed in his last couple of roles and wouldn't be universally approved. I think we need to give Neil as long as we feasibly can to change things for the better. It would be different if there was an obvious go to option available who we needed to move swiftly on. It won't be obvious to any supporters, no. But surely we (The SCFC board) know what type of manager to avoid. For example it would be fruitless to appoint a defence minded manager with the type of defenders we have right now. We really need to get someone who can take advantage of our current strengths possibly our wingers or forward line. Our midfield can only be described as functional. Not saying the defence should be forgotten as that desperately needs further attention. There is a good argument that what Stoke needs is a progressive articulate manager working with a highly experienced defensive minded coach. People who appear on paper incompatible but done professionally, bring out the best in one another. The pragmatist and the visionary. If all a manager does is bring in people who think like them, and do as instructed, they will rarely solve problems. Great architects have a vision. Even greater engineers make their dreams stand tall. Stoke City have fallen into the trap of thinking they need to employ either a visionary manager or a pragmatist. One person rarely embodies both attributes.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 28, 2023 9:50:20 GMT
The other option is a tracksuit coach type - like when Steve Cooper and Neil Critchley were plucked straight from an academy/under-age national/assistant job.
Carsley seems out of reach, as his mate Kevin Kilbane was saying he's turned down Prem jobs.
And Anthony Barry, who Tuchel took to Bayern with him, has apparently turned down Prem jobs too.
But someone of that type may tick the box. You'd be in wild swing territory, but any wilder than another tired, retread option, who knows?
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 28, 2023 9:53:37 GMT
I mean all this talk is obviously conjecture and for all we know, irrespective of results the board have no intention of getting rid. Is there anyone who is supposedly close to the club who has heard different and if results don't pick up the club will act?.
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Sept 28, 2023 9:56:37 GMT
Would we consider Jokanovic?
Got Watford and Fulham out of the championship. Under performed at Sheff Utd but wasn't disastrous or anything.
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Post by skip on Sept 28, 2023 9:57:43 GMT
I mean all this talk is obviously conjecture and for all we know, irrespective of results the board have no intention of getting rid. Is there anyone who is supposedly close to the club who has heard different and if results don't pick up the club will act?. I suspect no-one knows. But surely to goodness, there are monthly markers that AN needs to meet and if he falls short two or three months running that is him done with us. He can't be very far off that now.
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