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Sept 24, 2023 10:19:20 GMT
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Post by thornestein on Sept 24, 2023 10:19:20 GMT
Cheers. I missed that. 5 bookings already after 7 games?! yep 🤦♂️
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 24, 2023 10:19:28 GMT
I wouldn't say we were "negative" against Huddersfield, we were completely amateur in our box though which needs to change.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 24, 2023 10:20:14 GMT
I don’t see the negativity around it, certainly, it’s the team that played in the week and created plenty only with Thompson in for Pearson? Would I rather we were playing a 433/4231? Probably on balance but don’t see this as some kind of pre-game surrender, it wasn’t negative in practice in the week, why is it now? We’re playing a decent side. Unbeaten so far. It looks like we’re setting up for a draw. I usually try and see the positives but right now I can’t see anything other than a Hull win. I hope I’m wrong. In what way does it look like we’re setting up for a draw when it’s the same system as in the week where we attacked from the off?
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Sept 24, 2023 10:20:33 GMT
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Post by figo85 on Sept 24, 2023 10:20:33 GMT
I thought we played some lovely stuff during the first 45, with the same formation, mid week. Although losing Pearson is a blow but a blow we have to get used to every 5 games or so.
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Sept 24, 2023 10:20:59 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Sept 24, 2023 10:20:59 GMT
5-0 drubbing of Hull incoming Just like we managed against one of the shittest teams in the league midweek. The bloke is an absolute clown. Shittest team in the league that were above us and had won their previous 2 games. Don’t tell me just your all knowing opinion 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by MadridStokie on Sept 24, 2023 10:22:33 GMT
If they go for it like the last game what's the problem? (Apart from Thompson) we were decent on weds but i wouldn’t say we went for it , maybe if we played a more attacking formation weds we would have won because Huddersfield were shite Well I dont agree Huddersfield were shite. The way we played pegged them back. Whenever we win and play well ... is that because the other team must have been shite ? Or are we allowed to play well and make a good team not look so good ? Okay, we didnt win against Hudders but it was a promising performance and we are heading in the right direction ... more composure and confidence up front and cut out the errors at the back and we wont be far wrong.
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Post by collo68 on Sept 24, 2023 10:23:35 GMT
Neil isn't doing himself any favours with these team selections. Who would you play then
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Sept 24, 2023 10:24:03 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 24, 2023 10:24:03 GMT
We’re playing a decent side. Unbeaten so far. It looks like we’re setting up for a draw. I usually try and see the positives but right now I can’t see anything other than a Hull win. I hope I’m wrong. In what way does it look like we’re setting up for a draw when it’s the same system as in the week where we attacked from the off? Two completely different games. Huddersfield are shite. And as per usual with Warnock sat back and looked to do us on set pieces. From what I know of Hull they’re a decent side but may be vulnerable at the back. If we’re going 5 at the back I’m not sure we can play the high press game that Neil seemed to be championing all along. It just looks and feels to me like we’re going out to secure a point and any more is a bonus. It’s the mindset of a team that is looking at the bottom of the table with fear as opposed to the top of the table with ambition. Again, I hope I’m wrong. But I don’t think I am.
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Post by nott1 on Sept 24, 2023 10:25:02 GMT
Cheers. I missed that. 5 bookings already after 7 games?! He's a bloody idiot who has spent all his life playing football but has no idea how to disguise his dirty play, which every ref is looking out for due to his reputation!
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Sept 24, 2023 10:25:51 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 24, 2023 10:25:51 GMT
…. Is Bae injured? Not even on the bench ....and who is junho then!? Junho is ace, Bae is a bit shit
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Sept 24, 2023 10:26:05 GMT
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Post by thornestein on Sept 24, 2023 10:26:05 GMT
we were decent on weds but i wouldn’t say we went for it , maybe if we played a more attacking formation weds we would have won because Huddersfield were shite Well I dont agree Huddersfield were shite. The way we played pegged them back. Whenever we win and play well ... is that because the other team must have been shite ? Or are we allowed to play well and make a good team not look so good ? Okay, we didnt win against Hudders but it was a promising performance and we are heading in the right direction ... more composure and confidence up front and cut out the errors at the back and we wont be far wrong. i watched the game , huddersfield were shit
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 24, 2023 10:26:21 GMT
In what way does it look like we’re setting up for a draw when it’s the same system as in the week where we attacked from the off? Two completely different games. Huddersfield are shite. And as per usual with Warnock sat back and looked to do us on set pieces. From what I know of Hull they’re a decent side but may be vulnerable at the back. If we’re going 5 at the back I’m not sure we can play the high press game that Neil seemed to be championing all along. It just looks and feels to me like we’re going out to secure a point and any more is a bonus. It’s the mindset of a team that is looking at the bottom of the table with fear as opposed to the top of the table with ambition. Again, I hope I’m wrong. But I don’t think I am. If we were setting up for a draw we’d see players like Leris in the team or Wesley to try and soak it up in attack. Three at the back isn’t inherently a negative system. Midweek showed it has the capacity to attic and create chances.
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Sept 24, 2023 10:26:39 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 24, 2023 10:26:39 GMT
Are people saying it’s negative just because we’ve got three centre backs? It wasn’t negative in the week - Johnson constantly got forward, we created plenty, we took the game to them? More to do with the personnel. Where’s the creativity in a Thompson, Laurent, Burger midfield. 2 of the 3 is fine but not all 3. It’ll be a very pleasant surprise if we get a result with that lineup. I like Neil but he always goes back to the same old slow paced way where we’re relying on aimless crosses into the box. There’s just no stardust.
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Sept 24, 2023 10:27:30 GMT
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Post by marwood on Sept 24, 2023 10:27:30 GMT
Delap and Gayle will both come on for their respective teams and change the game
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 24, 2023 10:28:45 GMT
I agree with this - I don't think it has to be an inherently negative formation - especially when Johnson is one of the wing-backs. The last thing we were on Wednesday was negative. The problem we've got is our completely negative history with the formation www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/match-reports/stoke-city-hull-live-stream-8775583Three or five at the back? Ben Wilmot spoke about this when he held a q&a with the Buxton supporters club on Friday night. To paraphrase, he could understand why wing-backs was seen as a defensive formation but he thought it was a genuine back three rather than five when you're playing with Johnson and Gooch in the wide roles, almost as wingers. Stoke, for the large part, looked like a good team on Wednesday - albeit with fatal flaws. They moved the ball well and created a lot of chances.
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Sept 24, 2023 10:28:58 GMT
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 24, 2023 10:28:58 GMT
Two completely different games. Huddersfield are shite. And as per usual with Warnock sat back and looked to do us on set pieces. From what I know of Hull they’re a decent side but may be vulnerable at the back. If we’re going 5 at the back I’m not sure we can play the high press game that Neil seemed to be championing all along. It just looks and feels to me like we’re going out to secure a point and any more is a bonus. It’s the mindset of a team that is looking at the bottom of the table with fear as opposed to the top of the table with ambition. Again, I hope I’m wrong. But I don’t think I am. If we were setting up for a draw we’d see players like Leris in the team or Wesley to try and soak it up in attack. Three at the back isn’t inherently a negative system. Midweek showed it has the capacity to attic and create chances. I guess we’ll see in half an hour. Genuinely hope I’m wrong. We need a performance. I actually don’t care as much about the points. I just want to see us actually show signs of being a coherent unit who can put in a decent performance. If we lose unluckily so be it.
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Sept 24, 2023 10:29:12 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Sept 24, 2023 10:29:12 GMT
Laurent……
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 24, 2023 10:30:44 GMT
Are people saying it’s negative just because we’ve got three centre backs? It wasn’t negative in the week - Johnson constantly got forward, we created plenty, we took the game to them? More to do with the personnel. Where’s the creativity in a Thompson, Laurent, Burger midfield. 2 of the 3 is fine but not all 3. It’ll be a very pleasant surprise if we get a result with that lineup. I like Neil but he always goes back to the same old slow paced way where we’re relying on aimless crosses into the box. There’s just no stardust. It’s the same midfield as in the week only with Thompson in for Pearson, and we created chances there? Burger has a decent range of passing, Johnson will need to get forward, Hak will buzz around just behind Campbell?
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 24, 2023 10:34:08 GMT
Delap and Gayle will both come on for their respective teams and change the game If Delap causes us problems and changes a game then we should be worried.
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 24, 2023 10:34:39 GMT
I’m not sure the front two will work as well as it did the other night. Huddersfield were appealing and even a team with basic competence will nullify the approach we are set up for. Wishing I am completely wrong.
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Sept 24, 2023 10:34:59 GMT
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Post by musik on Sept 24, 2023 10:34:59 GMT
NcNally, Thompson and Campbell from the start? It must mean injuries.
Perhaps the tactics is to shock them in the second half with Hoever, Jun-ho and Vidigal.
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Post by Gods on Sept 24, 2023 10:37:20 GMT
Jesus fucking wept 5 at the back against Hull fucking City. Fuck off Alex. This is a Hull team who won at Leicester in their last away fixture, have only lost one game (on the opening weekend) and will go 4th if they win. We are wracked with injuries and now a suspension and have most of our squad familiarising themselves with English football. That's one way of looking at it but home advantage counts for a lot in the Championship and Hull are far from amazing. It's pretty certain we will dominate posession, 65% or so, I would imagine. I think Odds Checker is calling it about right... 50% Stoke Win 25% Draw 25% Hull Win We really should win this one.
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Post by satoshi on Sept 24, 2023 10:37:31 GMT
I wouldn't say we were "negative" against Huddersfield, we were completely amateur in our box though which needs to change. If we can start like that and tighten up the defence we’ll be fine
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Sept 24, 2023 10:39:00 GMT
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Post by noustie on Sept 24, 2023 10:39:00 GMT
Unless one of the three at the back is a red n white striped minibus can't see us keeping a clean sheet after Wednesday
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Post by baconburger on Sept 24, 2023 10:42:57 GMT
I wouldn't say we were "negative" against Huddersfield, we were completely amateur in our box though which needs to change. If we can start like that and tighten up the defence we’ll be fine Agree it’s far more important to get the team scoring and try to keep the goals conceded to a minimum rather than the other way around and obsessing over defence and drawing blanks too often.
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Sept 24, 2023 10:44:50 GMT
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Post by glpotter on Sept 24, 2023 10:44:50 GMT
That is appalling
Neil Out
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Sept 24, 2023 10:45:34 GMT
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Post by warringtonstokie on Sept 24, 2023 10:45:34 GMT
Negative shite. Makes a rod for his own back with these decisions. Probably our best attacking display apart from Rotherham in the last game with this line up, given the lack of goals two up top is a must atm. Which says it all doesn’t it? We’ve scored 7 in 7, we aren’t good going forward. We spent a summer recruiting for a 4 at the back with wide players, but he’s resorting to square pegs in round holes within the first ten games.
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Sept 24, 2023 10:46:41 GMT
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Post by headsgoup on Sept 24, 2023 10:46:41 GMT
Three shots on target in midweek against one of the worst teams in the division, who were sitting back.
"Needs more Thompson".
Jesus wept.
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Sept 24, 2023 10:49:44 GMT
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Sept 24, 2023 10:49:44 GMT
In front of us in the warm up just now, Gooch was on the left with Wilmot on the right in a 4.
I was sure it was going to be a negative shit 5 at the back but now I’m not so sure.
Which side did Gooch play in midweek?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 24, 2023 10:50:34 GMT
Three shots on target in midweek against one of the worst teams in the division, who were sitting back. "Needs more Thompson". Jesus wept. It needed Thompson because he’s the other holding midfielder we’ve got. Three shots on target is an incredibly disingenuous assessment of our attacking in midweek.
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