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Post by a on Dec 24, 2023 20:20:38 GMT
Get John Rudge out of retirement š Judge Dredd Vale through and through but heāll always have my respect for Peter Hoekstra šš The man knew football
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Post by baconburger on Dec 24, 2023 20:37:27 GMT
I asked you what players you deem we'd lose a packet on. The fact you haven't provided any leads me to believe your position on JD is irrational. The fact we maybe kept AN longer than might have been relates back to the fact that AN was involved in the recruitment of RM a situation I have never been happy with. Hopefully John probably being unable to reveal or discuss his thinking leading up to AN's dismissal has awakened him to not allowing those roles to become too entwined . He needs to be able to trust his DoF technical/sporting director not to leak to his friend and to line up the manager/head coaches replacement behind the scenes. Les Reed keeps a dossier on every position on the field and backroom staff should they need to be replaced, hell he probably even has a list of viable alternatives to himself. Brilliant DoF, shit manager. At present, Mmaee and Wesley have cost a good chunk of money in wages/signing-on fees. They are our two striking options. We are one of, if not the lowest scorers in the league. We wonāt keep Wesley beyond this season, so that looks like a very expensive gamble. Mmaee doesnāt look likely to succeed in my opinion. Heās kind of just meh. Pearson has been pretty tripe too. Hoever was an expensive loan, not done much. Travers was a massive risk and we are paying for it. Iām not sure how you can look at one of the worst teams in the league for goals scored/created, a team that canāt play 90 mins without one of their defenders or goalkeepers dropping a clanger, and think that JD and RM havenāt been underwhelming at present. Canāt agree ref Travers it wasnāt a highly likely situation to arise whatsoever. Trying to say every single eventuality should be covered is bloody stupid like blaming someone because they signed a player that gets injured well you should have signed his twin brother too. AN will have been pushing hard for Pearson so I donāt see how you can attribute that to them. Mmaee I think you rate him higher than I do, so yeah a mistake but not a massively expensive one. Wesley again another mistake but a clear short term risk to allow our main targets to play out towards the end of the window(We missed them all because the market was richer than expected. What should they have done paid whatever was demanded?). So yeah some of them are bad, some meh and some pretty decent that might offer realistic future profit on our outlay more or less exactly what youāll get in any transfer window if youāre lucky, the latter are by no means a given. You certainly couldnāt comment on their short time here glowingly but also the general negativity toward them is borderline hysterical neurotic doom mongering.
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Post by stokiedan17 on Dec 24, 2023 22:04:20 GMT
Exactly this. Weāve signed some good players and weāve signed some bad. Not everything works out. If it did weād be winning the premier league every year. Weāve signed one decent player we own with a chance of resale value you could do better with a blindfold and a pinĀ Tchamedeau, burger, bae junho, 3 players right there, young and easily going to be worth more than what weāve paid for them. . You could throw jojic in there but weāve not seen enough of him to say either way as heās clearly been bought with the future in mind (which isnāt wrong to do) Gooch looks a decent signing. Quick, progressive and looks to go forward.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 24, 2023 22:11:03 GMT
Weāve signed one decent player we own with a chance of resale value you could do better with a blindfold and a pinĀ Tchamedeau, burger, bae junho, 3 players right there, young and easily going to be worth more than what weāve paid for them. . You could throw jojic in there but weāve not seen enough of him to say either way as heās clearly been bought with the future in mind (which isnāt wrong to do) Gooch looks a decent signing. Quick, progressive and looks to go forward. Agree. Donāt share your enthusiasm for Gooch but heās only a cheapish squad player in a similar vein to Leris ok but hope weāre not paying either of them a big wage.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 28, 2024 12:27:46 GMT
Regarding AN's input: He's been behind every deal, he's been behind every signing, he's been behind every one that hasn't quite got over the line. We'll review and assess after the next international break 3:10 the 5 pillars. Now the season has developed I wonder how these are viewed given, by popular consent, only a handful of the 17 have proved capable at this level? Key players: Burger Established: Pearson, Gooch High potential: Jun Ho, Junior Cultural Architects: ? Emerging talent: Vidigal, Mmaee, Jojic? The rest: failed
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Post by thornestein on Jan 28, 2024 12:32:41 GMT
Regarding AN's input: He's been behind every deal, he's been behind every signing, he's been behind every one that hasn't quite got over the line. We'll review and assess after the next international break 3:10 the 5 pillars. Now the season has developed I wonder how these are viewed given, by popular consent, only a handful of the 17 have proved capable at this level? Key players: Burger Established: Pearson, Gooch High potential:Ā Jun Ho, Junior Cultural Architects: ? Emerging talent: Vidigal, Mmaee, Jojic? The rest: failed i wouldnāt call Vidigal or Mmaee emerging talent , theyāve been mostly poor
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jan 28, 2024 12:35:10 GMT
3:10 the 5 pillars. Now the season has developed I wonder how these are viewed given, by popular consent, only a handful of the 17 have proved capable at this level? Key players: Burger Established: Pearson, Gooch High potential: Jun Ho, Junior Cultural Architects: ? Emerging talent: Vidigal, Mmaee, Jojic? The rest: failed i wouldnāt call Vidigal or Mmaee emerging talent , theyāve been mostly poor Makes things even worse then!!
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 28, 2024 12:35:59 GMT
Regarding AN's input: He's been behind every deal, he's been behind every signing, he's been behind every one that hasn't quite got over the line. We'll review and assess after the next international break 3:10 the 5 pillars. Now the season has developed I wonder how these are viewed given, by popular consent, only a handful of the 17 have proved capable at this level? Key players: Burger Established: Pearson, Gooch High potential:Ā Jun Ho, Junior Cultural Architects: ? Emerging talent: Vidigal, Mmaee, Jojic? The rest: failed I think you are being generous, we are worse than ever in many areas, Burger, Junho and Junior are players who can improve us, not seen Jogic, rest are not really good enough, Brown was better than our current strike force combined and I bet we got less for him than we paid for Mmae Ā£5m fir him is shocking.
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 28, 2024 12:41:36 GMT
I think in an ideal world, SS would have or liked to have his technical director from Plymouth, but I guess that was never realistically going to happen, so he is stuck with tricky Ricky for the foreseeable.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 28, 2024 12:44:12 GMT
3:10 the 5 pillars. Now the season has developed I wonder how these are viewed given, by popular consent, only a handful of the 17 have proved capable at this level? Key players: Burger Established: Pearson, Gooch High potential:Ā Jun Ho, Junior Cultural Architects: ? Emerging talent: Vidigal, Mmaee, Jojic? The rest: failed i wouldnāt call Vidigal or Mmaee emerging talent , theyāve been mostly poor Vidigal is definitely on the list, just because he's gone off the boil a little doesn't mean he should just be written off. Mmaee is more of a project, there's clearly something there but he needs to work on being more consistent and adapt to the league.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 28, 2024 12:46:14 GMT
3:10 the 5 pillars. Now the season has developed I wonder how these are viewed given, by popular consent, only a handful of the 17 have proved capable at this level? Key players: Burger Established: Pearson, Gooch High potential:Ā Jun Ho, Junior Cultural Architects: ? Emerging talent: Vidigal, Mmaee, Jojic? The rest: failed I think you are being generous, we are worse than ever in many areas, Burger, Junho and Junior are players who can improve us, not seen Jogic, rest are not really good enough, Brown was better than our current strike force combined and I bet we got less for him than we paid for Mmae Ā£5m fir him is shocking. 5mil would be a shock given he wasn't 5mil.
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Post by thornestein on Jan 28, 2024 12:53:39 GMT
i wouldnāt call Vidigal or Mmaee emerging talent , theyāve been mostly poor Vidigal is definitely on the list, just because he's gone off the boil a little doesn't mean he should just be written off. Mmaee is more of a project, there's clearly something there but he needs to work on being more consistent and adapt to the league. sorry canāt agree , vidigals goals masked some poor performances , his crossing is non existent, he look to go to ground far to often , Mmaee is just meh
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2024 12:57:43 GMT
Vidigal is definitely on the list, just because he's gone off the boil a little doesn't mean he should just be written off. Mmaee is more of a project, there's clearly something there but he needs to work on being more consistent and adapt to the league. sorry canāt agree , vidigals goals masked some poor performances , his crossing is non existent, he look to go to ground far to often , Mmaee is just meh Vidigal started brightly and burnt out very quickly. He hasn't had a decent performance since coming back from his injury.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 28, 2024 13:10:50 GMT
Five Pillars , Cultural Architects , Winning culture , Data Driven , its laughable best summed uo by failure in every aspect of the role , achieved the seemingly impossible and made a shit situation worse under his tenure and few mention the departures which seem more amd more ridiculous now , Brown , Tymon , Russell , nearly Owen , A Smith to name a few the latter thee all stoke through and through while this charlatan runs rounds with his notebook , pen and abjectly stupid rhetoric not a single yard of which he has walked see 19th and heading downwards.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2024 13:12:28 GMT
Most people would love the chance to build an entire squad from scratch with one of the best budgets in the league.
He managed to fuck it up.
Time to get rid
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2024 13:17:08 GMT
Five Pillars , Cultural Architects , Winning culture , Data Driven , its laughable best summed uo by failure in every aspect of the role , achieved the seemingly impossible and made a shit situation worse under his tenure and few mention the departures which seem more amd more ridiculous now , Brown , Tymon , Ā Russell , nearly Owen , A Smith to name a few the latter Ā thee all stoke through and through while this charlatan runs rounds with his notebook , pen and abjectly stupid rhetoric not a single yard of which he has walked see 19th and heading downwards.Ā Do you go on ChatGPT and ask it to rewrite the same paragraph in different ways? Or do you copy and paste then edit a few words to keep it fresh?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 28, 2024 13:20:00 GMT
Five Pillars , Cultural Architects , Winning culture , Data Driven , its laughable best summed uo by failure in every aspect of the role , achieved the seemingly impossible and made a shit situation worse under his tenure and few mention the departures which seem more amd more ridiculous now , Brown , Tymon , Russell , nearly Owen , A Smith to name a few the latter thee all stoke through and through while this charlatan runs rounds with his notebook , pen and abjectly stupid rhetoric not a single yard of which he has walked see 19th and heading downwards. Do you go on ChatGPT and ask it to rewrite the same paragraph in different ways? Or do you copy and paste then edit a few words to keep it fresh? it is what it is. The League table and the trajectory dont lie , and the much vaunted culture is now rubbished by the new manager who says the players are scruffy in training indefensible . Lest we forget the now public description of Malaga pre season as shambolic facilities and organisation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2024 13:40:51 GMT
Do you go on ChatGPT and ask it to rewrite the same paragraph in different ways? Or do you copy and paste then edit a few words to keep it fresh? it is what it is. The League table and the trajectory dont lie , and the much vaunted culture is now rubbished by the new manager who says the players are scruffy in training indefensible . Lest we forget the now public description of Malaga pre season as shambolic facilities and organisation.Ā He actually just says that they need to train harder on converting chances in training and then translating that training onto the pitch. Typical manager jargon. I donāt know why they have to be interviewed. Itās just over exposure. They always come out with some version of the same thing.
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 28, 2024 13:44:17 GMT
The squad we built in the summer really isnāt an improvement on the one ended last season with.
Burger is an upgrade. Junior and Junho will become good players at this level.
Tymon and Browm were replaced by much poorer players.
Wesley, Haksabanivic, Mmae, Johnson, Vidigal, remember Chiqinho?, Leris, Gooch, Stevens all not really good enough. Pearson seems to have gone backwards now heās got a permanent deal. Not sure Hoever has done well enough to justify his loan. Given the weakness of the rest of the squad, could we really afford to spend on development player like Jogic?
I think McNally and Rose would be OK with better partners, and we do have to remember we havenāt really conceded a lot of goals for a time in our position.
Management were given a wonderful opportunity; they pretty much fucked it up.
I hope SS and his team are good enough coaches to find a team from the hotch potch collection theyāve been given.
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Post by smudger46 on Jan 28, 2024 14:07:23 GMT
He could not direct traffic let alone technical director of a football team.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 28, 2024 21:29:46 GMT
He could not direct traffic let alone technical director of a football team. Actually his job is all football related matters so its the entire club and not on element of the football side hasd done anything but regress under his control . Pre season shambles , Sport science and medical chaos , academy chaos , first team regressing at pace , manager failed , recruitment shambles , commercial shambles players like Pearson and Johnson on substantial contracts ,but not fancied by the manager he selected its a a absolute debacle. One only fears for what further damage might be done before the window closes .
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 28, 2024 21:56:53 GMT
Whether in football or another industry, recruitment is one of the hardest elements of business.
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Post by Gods on Jan 28, 2024 22:30:26 GMT
The squad we built in the summer really isnāt an improvement on the one ended last season with. Burger is an upgrade. Junior and Junho will become good players at this level. Tymon and Browm were replaced by much poorer players. Wesley, Haksabanivic, Mmae, Johnson, Vidigal, remember Chiqinho?, Leris, Gooch, Stevens all not really good enough. Pearson seems to have gone backwards now heās got a permanent deal. Not sure Hoever has done well enough to justify his loan. Given the weakness of the rest of the squad, could we really afford to spend on development player like Jogic? I think McNally and Rose would be OK with better partners, and we do have to remember we havenāt really conceded a lot of goals for a time in our position. Management were given a wonderful opportunity; they pretty much fucked it up. I hope SS and his team are good enough coaches to find a team from the hotch potch collection theyāve been given. Excellent post.
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Post by BrummiePotter on Jan 28, 2024 22:40:23 GMT
The squad we built in the summer really isnāt an improvement on the one ended last season with. Burger is an upgrade. Junior and Junho will become good players at this level. Tymon and Browm were replaced by much poorer players. Wesley, Haksabanivic, Mmae, Johnson, Vidigal, remember Chiqinho?, Leris, Gooch, Stevens all not really good enough. Pearson seems to have gone backwards now heās got a permanent deal. Not sure Hoever has done well enough to justify his loan. Given the weakness of the rest of the squad, could we really afford to spend on development player like Jogic? I think McNally and Rose would be OK with better partners, and we do have to remember we havenāt really conceded a lot of goals for a time in our position. Management were given a wonderful opportunity; they pretty much fucked it up. I hope SS and his team are good enough coaches to find a team from the hotch potch collection theyāve been given. This pretty much seems it up for me in all respects. The only thing I would add is that I couldnāt see the recent obsession with having to get in a replacement for Bonham when the other end of the pitch was clearly the bigger issue. If you donāt score goals then you can never win a game (excluding Mr O.G.) but if you let goals in then you still stand a chance - unfortunately we have the worst of both worlds at present. Fingers crossed the next 3 days before deadline time will see some light appear from an increasingly dark tunnel.
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Post by iglugluk on Jan 28, 2024 22:48:53 GMT
Guess ultimately the problems stem from John Coates.. he seems like a decent guy by all accounts but he clearly hasn't got a clue how to appoint consistent and reliable staff to carry out his desire to see the club recover the success his father oversaw ( after his first dismal failure, that is ). He lacks vision, it seems to me and for some reason is taken in by chancers such as Martin. It doesn't take much nouse to just listen to Martin speak and hear that the guy is not going to bring about the revolution that was needed. His words sound like a cut-up, mash of marketing double speak cliches.
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Post by stokemark on Jan 28, 2024 22:55:59 GMT
i wouldnāt call Vidigal or Mmaee emerging talent , theyāve been mostly poor Vidigal is definitely on the list, just because he's gone off the boil a little doesn't mean he should just be written off. Mmaee is more of a project, there's clearly something there but he needs to work on being more consistent and adapt to the league. He's 26 this year - he should have emerged by now !
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Post by stokiedan17 on Jan 29, 2024 17:56:06 GMT
Vidigal is definitely on the list, just because he's gone off the boil a little doesn't mean he should just be written off. Mmaee is more of a project, there's clearly something there but he needs to work on being more consistent and adapt to the league. He's 26 this year - he should have emerged by now ! Not that Iām comparing them but fuller hadnāt really set the world on fire until he came to us. And he was about 27 at that time ?
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Post by andystokey on Jan 29, 2024 18:57:36 GMT
Good interview here with Steve Hitchen, could almost cut and paste most of the summary into ant Oatcake thread. Shifting philosophies and manager churn are particularly interesting. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68129211
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Post by stokesaint1 on Jan 30, 2024 17:50:27 GMT
Should have gone with Neil. Hopefully Coates will see through the marketing overview claptrap speak sooner rather than later.
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 30, 2024 17:52:52 GMT
I think Schumacher wanted his man from Plymouth, but Martin was a non negotiable š¤
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