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Post by bayernoatcake on May 4, 2024 10:17:13 GMT
It's not rubbish Certain posters have decided very early that he's no good, that we will go down and are now stating the modest but clear changes in the right direction are nothing to do with the manager or in Bayerns case down to luck Now we are seeing more than poster hint and nudge that the relationship between manager and SJW is not right, that there is some mysterious disconnect between them. I’ve missed this. So is there a disconnect between the manager and Walters? Very concerning if that’s true. I have no idea if there is one tbh. But I do think the manager has been undermined by Walters with his cheerleading act. I think it’s made Schumacher look incredibly weak. I don’t think that was the intention either but it made it look like no one respects Schumacher to me. There’s a lot of work to do there imo.
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Post by bunnyscfc on May 4, 2024 10:18:44 GMT
Your fascination with my attendance at matches is touching. What you do with your time really doesn't bother me, nor is it my business. It also doesn't mean you can't have an informed opinion if you're not there today or for any other game - I would never question anyone's right to do that. I really don't need or want to put my supporting CV on here - as it really doesn't matter. Safe to say, I probably see more SCFC games at all levels of the club than a lot of people. That has stopped a little due to work and personal circumstances - again, nothing that is your business really, and something I wouldn't question you or others on. Basically, if you are there today or not, you can have an opinion. Others may disagree with it, and that's fine - but the holier-than-thou, medal winning, penis measuring that football supporting in 2024 has become, is a reason why it all leaves me a bit cold nowadays. I have no fascination whatsoever and what you do with your time is your concern but how you can judge the manager when you’ve admitted previously you don’t watch the games is beyond me but each to their own I watch the games. I'm just not there. Apologies if I worded that incorrectly. Today, I'll once again be watching two things at the same time. Like many parents, I put my kids before watching Stoke. Always have, always will.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2024 10:27:50 GMT
I’ve missed this. So is there a disconnect between the manager and Walters? Very concerning if that’s true. I have no idea if there is one tbh. But I do think the manager has been undermined by Walters with his cheerleading act. I think it’s made Schumacher look incredibly weak. I don’t think that was the intention either but it made it look like no one respects Schumacher to me. There’s a lot of work to do there imo. You can't possibly think that just on the basis of Walters being appointed and his interviews since
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Post by lordb on May 4, 2024 10:28:38 GMT
It's not rubbish Certain posters have decided very early that he's no good, that we will go down and are now stating the modest but clear changes in the right direction are nothing to do with the manager or in Bayerns case down to luck Now we are seeing more than poster hint and nudge that the relationship between manager and SJW is not right, that there is some mysterious disconnect between them. I’ve missed this. So is there a disconnect between the manager and Walters? Very concerning if that’s true. Only in certain posters heads No one does paranoia better than Stoke fans
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 4, 2024 10:30:13 GMT
I have no idea if there is one tbh. But I do think the manager has been undermined by Walters with his cheerleading act. I think it’s made Schumacher look incredibly weak. I don’t think that was the intention either but it made it look like no one respects Schumacher to me. There’s a lot of work to do there imo. You can't possibly think that just on the basis of Walters being appointed and his interviews since Of course you can. Who has the authority? Who’s being listened to? I don’t think Walters should have said the stuff he did in those interviews rallying the fans etc. That shouldn’t be his job and imo absolutely undermines the manager.
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Post by foxysgloves on May 4, 2024 10:38:12 GMT
You can't possibly think that just on the basis of Walters being appointed and his interviews since Of course you can. Who has the authority? Who’s being listened to? I don’t think Walters should have said the stuff he did in those interviews rallying the fans etc. That shouldn’t be his job and imo absolutely undermines the manager. I think we needed it at the time. We needed a change of mentality and I think it worked.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2024 10:38:22 GMT
You can't possibly think that just on the basis of Walters being appointed and his interviews since Of course you can. Who has the authority? Who’s being listened to? I don’t think Walters should have said the stuff he did in those interviews rallying the fans etc. That shouldn’t be his job and imo absolutely undermines the manager. Come on, on this occasion you are just making it up. Both roles are common in modern day football, one doesn't undermine the other. Walters has spoken in those terms as he'd just been appointed, and since then, appointed permanently. I think you can see clearly that it was felt that someone needs to be communicating standards at all levels, because the culture has been wrong for years. The manager can't be doing this, getting involved at every level of the club. I don't know how you can see any of it as undermining the manager
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Post by baconburger on May 4, 2024 10:47:47 GMT
That’s rubbish. There was clearly a period where he tried to implement his own philosophies which after a meh start went into freefall. That was followed by a period where we clearly played a more attritional ugly percentage brand of football to grind out the points to create a chink of light between us and the bottom 3. Followed by the surprise reversion to Schuball for the Plymouth game. I’m certainly not seeing that to slight our head coach in any way whatsoever. What came in between concerned me more than anything. Plymouth gave me hope that we still might actually try to play some decent football moving forward. As I’ve said above there is far more still unknown than known about the dynamics of our management set up and that’s mainly because Walters footballing beliefs are completely unknown barring an association which could be completely wide of the mark. I’m interested to see how it pans out. Plymouth home game give you hope? What about fantastic away wins at Southampton Hull and Preston? I’m afraid the wins vs Hull and Preston was during the period of attritional percentage ugly football that was concerning me as being the future. I was exceptionally unhopeful prior to the Plymouth game then football broke out quite unexpectedly to me I’m sure if we came by enough wins and points via the ugly football you’d be more than happy but you can’t force that view on everybody.
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Post by silsdenstokie on May 4, 2024 10:53:47 GMT
Its more than just a coincidence that since JW came in our form has taken a big turn for the better
It could be as much to do with Tricky Dicky being ditched but Id like tonthink JW has been a help to Schu
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 4, 2024 10:55:29 GMT
Of course you can. Who has the authority? Who’s being listened to? I don’t think Walters should have said the stuff he did in those interviews rallying the fans etc. That shouldn’t be his job and imo absolutely undermines the manager. I think we needed it at the time. We needed a change of mentality and I think it worked. I don’t think it made an ounce of difference tbh. It made the fans shout louder for a game though.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 4, 2024 10:56:58 GMT
Of course you can. Who has the authority? Who’s being listened to? I don’t think Walters should have said the stuff he did in those interviews rallying the fans etc. That shouldn’t be his job and imo absolutely undermines the manager. Come on, on this occasion you are just making it up. Both roles are common in modern day football, one doesn't undermine the other. Walters has spoken in those terms as he'd just been appointed, and since then, appointed permanently. I think you can see clearly that it was felt that someone needs to be communicating standards at all levels, because the culture has been wrong for years. The manager can't be doing this, getting involved at every level of the club. I don't know how you can see any of it as undermining the manager It’s exactly what the manager should be doing and if he hadn’t sorted that at his level what does that say about him? That it needed another bloke to do that? Kind of makes his role untenable to me. But I don’t think that happened (lots disagree).
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Post by baconburger on May 4, 2024 11:08:11 GMT
Come on, on this occasion you are just making it up. Both roles are common in modern day football, one doesn't undermine the other. Walters has spoken in those terms as he'd just been appointed, and since then, appointed permanently. I think you can see clearly that it was felt that someone needs to be communicating standards at all levels, because the culture has been wrong for years. The manager can't be doing this, getting involved at every level of the club. I don't know how you can see any of it as undermining the manager It’s exactly what the manager should be doing and if he hadn’t sorted that at his level what does that say about him? That it needed another bloke to do that? Kind of makes his role untenable to me. But I don’t think that happened (lots disagree). Perhaps he just found himself in a job that wasn’t really required and didn’t know how else to contribute. As many said at the time an interim TD/SD/DoF just isn’t a thing it’s a long term planning role. I don’t think there is any evidence to be had of whether Schu and Walters footballing philosophies align. I’m not one to believe ideas from opposite ends of a spectrum might compliment one another. There is much to be revealed as the combination goes forward.
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Post by Scrotnig on May 4, 2024 12:40:55 GMT
You can't possibly think that just on the basis of Walters being appointed and his interviews since Of course you can. Who has the authority? Who’s being listened to? I don’t think Walters should have said the stuff he did in those interviews rallying the fans etc. That shouldn’t be his job and imo absolutely undermines the manager. It was needed and it worked. Long may it continue.
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Post by lordb on May 4, 2024 14:21:21 GMT
I think we needed it at the time. We needed a change of mentality and I think it worked. I don’t think it made an ounce of difference tbh. It made the fans shout louder for a game though. Which made a difference
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2024 14:28:17 GMT
We need a whole load more than cheerleading though and going forwards he needs to be judged solely on his strategy and management of this club, which hopefully extends to a lot more than "We need the fans to sing", "I know the DNA of the players required here" and arranging meetings that undermine the head coach.
Given how our foreign imports have performed, I hope that the first thing he does is to retain Jared Dublin on an extended deal, who has found some gems that will earn us a LOT of money in the future.
My worry is the DNA comment that could well see us shift from those types of signings and into the lottery that is the "good old British players".
Do the right thing Jon.
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Post by stokief on May 4, 2024 14:38:14 GMT
I would imagine as I don't know, that Walters has been a huge help to SS. Deffo getting rid of Tricky M was a necessity but I can't help thinking that SS needed an ally , someone who knew the Club, knew the Chairman, probably knew already what a lot of these mysterious internal challneges were so had a bit of a head start on trouble-shooting and also importantly, can be trusted by JC and SS. This task was a huge ask for a young, inexperienced manager. We've come out of the experience with some much needed confidence, optimism and renewed support. As I keep boringly saying, the relegation fight was what we actually needed to wake the f@ck up and regain togetherness around the Club. Now let's see what everyone is made of. I think today's performance ( and some exceptional performances Manhoef, Bae for example) will probably ensure we don't throw out our new 'exotic' player notebook but we do need to beef up in areas with some good old-fashioned grit and leadership. Happy last day of the season folks and well done to all supporters and to all at the Club.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 4, 2024 14:43:26 GMT
No more needs to be said than when the crowd made their feelings known 2nd half and made a few on here look absolutely ridiculous but not for the 1st time
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Post by stantheman on May 4, 2024 15:12:43 GMT
Of course you can. Who has the authority? Who’s being listened to? I don’t think Walters should have said the stuff he did in those interviews rallying the fans etc. That shouldn’t be his job and imo absolutely undermines the manager. Come on, on this occasion you are just making it up. Both roles are common in modern day football, one doesn't undermine the other. Walters has spoken in those terms as he'd just been appointed, and since then, appointed permanently. I think you can see clearly that it was felt that someone needs to be communicating standards at all levels, because the culture has been wrong for years. The manager can't be doing this, getting involved at every level of the club. I don't know how you can see any of it as undermining the manager On this occasion he's making it up? 99% of his posts are drivel.
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Post by nottsover60 on May 4, 2024 16:57:58 GMT
You can't possibly think that just on the basis of Walters being appointed and his interviews since Of course you can. Who has the authority? Who’s being listened to? I don’t think Walters should have said the stuff he did in those interviews rallying the fans etc. That shouldn’t be his job and imo absolutely undermines the manager. I feel the opposite, I think Walters was supporting Schumacher. The rallying call was made at the height of the calls for Schumacher to be sacked. As I remember Walters said something along the lines that we had one of the best young managers around and we should get out and support him. As a young teacher (many moons ago) I can remember my head walking into my classroom just as I was in a difficult situation with a pupil causing disruption. He basically told the pupil to do as he was asked by any adult in the school or he would have to explain himself. I could have felt undermined but in reality I felt relieved that I had someone on my side.
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Post by whatsashig on May 4, 2024 17:59:30 GMT
You can't possibly think that just on the basis of Walters being appointed and his interviews since Of course you can. Who has the authority? Who’s being listened to? I don’t think Walters should have said the stuff he did in those interviews rallying the fans etc. That shouldn’t be his job and imo absolutely undermines the manager. I you say it’s your perspective, does that have any influence or meaning on how you portray your opinions on here?
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Post by jm on May 4, 2024 20:33:36 GMT
He's stated relegation in the post above He's made it quite clear he expects no progress, that nothing has changed Top 10 finish appears perfectly reasonable expectation to me If I'm wrong and have another season of bottom 3rd then he can go but just don't understand why people are refusing to see what's in front of them More attacking football, more shots, two exciting wingerrs We haven't translated that into goals which is extremely frustrating and has to improve I think the manager will be sacked by November and we’ll start again. I have no faith in any of them bar Dublin just. We have barely survived and Schumacher has played a big part in making it tighter than it should have been. More bullshit from Captain negative
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Post by gingerninja on May 4, 2024 20:35:37 GMT
That's my main concern with SJW, he will go the other way and go good old British, Dublins unearthed some real gems.
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Post by jm on May 4, 2024 20:36:42 GMT
I have no fascination whatsoever and what you do with your time is your concern but how you can judge the manager when you’ve admitted previously you don’t watch the games is beyond me but each to their own I watch the games. I'm just not there. Apologies if I worded that incorrectly. Today, I'll once again be watching two things at the same time. Like many parents, I put my kids before watching Stoke. Always have, always will. You must be gutted again today - absolute negative drivel from you these last few months. Hopefully you'll be quiet for the summer at least. Go and enjoy some cricket and please don't come back on here next season.
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Post by bunnyscfc on May 4, 2024 20:48:28 GMT
I watch the games. I'm just not there. Apologies if I worded that incorrectly. Today, I'll once again be watching two things at the same time. Like many parents, I put my kids before watching Stoke. Always have, always will. You must be gutted again today - absolute negative drivel from you these last few months. Hopefully you'll be quiet for the summer at least. Go and enjoy some cricket and please don't come back on here next season. Gutted? We won. Read your post again, it’s negative drivel. The irony. I’ll post where I want to, thanks. Unless it’s a place full of faceless, clueless whoppers. Thankfully, it’s not.
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Post by foxysgloves on May 4, 2024 23:49:17 GMT
I’m confused at some of the comments to Bunny.
As I understand it he’s got nothing to prove as a Stoke fan. Major contributor to the Oatcake and behind the brilliant Duck magazine.
Are people seriously questioning his supporting credentials (whatever that means) or his right to an opinion?
From what I remember he’s been pretty transparent about the reasons he’s not going to many matches and they’re all very good reasons.
A day like today should be about celebrating avoiding league one oblivion and looking forward to a brighter future not having petty dick measuring arguments. Especially with people who have absolutely nothing to prove as Stoke supporters.
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Post by malisastokie on May 5, 2024 0:00:09 GMT
If there is an issue between Schumacher and Walter’s it has not affected the dressing room or the performance of the team.
The decision to have a coach v manager was made by Coates and Martin and Schumacher was recruited on that basis , so Schumacher can have no issues with the role.
The rallying cry was needed because it also signaled for the first the club hierarchy were not sleep walking to relegation.
Whether that rallying call should have come from Coates , Walter’s or Schumacher is open for debate but the end result was not getting relegated.
If there are issues between the two as individuals or the roles then , no better time to sought the lines of demarcation over the summer.
The whole club structure has not been articulated well by Coates .
What does the org chart look like ?
Where does Richard Smith as Managing Director fit into the picture apart from being Denise’s husband . Does Walter’s as Director of Football and Simon King as COO report to him on John Coates.
Is Coates the unannounced chairman and CEO ?
It’s all a bit muddy.
Simon King has done great job and made a lot of change that has been well communicated and well received.
I hope that Walter and Schumacher can form a team that can replicate Simon Kings success operationally in the football department.
Change can be uncomfortable
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 5, 2024 7:15:13 GMT
If there is an issue between Schumacher and Walter’s it has not affected the dressing room or the performance of the team. The decision to have a coach v manager was made by Coates and Martin and Schumacher was recruited on that basis , so Schumacher can have no issues with the role. The rallying cry was needed because it also signaled for the first the club hierarchy were not sleep walking to relegation. Whether that rallying call should have come from Coates , Walter’s or Schumacher is open for debate but the end result was not getting relegated. If there are issues between the two as individuals or the roles then , no better time to sought the lines of demarcation over the summer. The whole club structure has not been articulated well by Coates . What does the org chart look like ? Where does Richard Smith as Managing Director fit into the picture apart from being Denise’s husband . Does Walter’s as Director of Football and Simon King as COO report to him on John Coates. Is Coates the unannounced chairman and CEO ? It’s all a bit muddy. Simon King has done great job and made a lot of change that has been well communicated and well received. I hope that Walter and Schumacher can form a team that can replicate Simon Kings success operationally in the football department. Change can be uncomfortable Be more clear by the end of the summer
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Post by thornestein on May 5, 2024 8:06:45 GMT
If there is an issue between Schumacher and Walter’s it has not affected the dressing room or the performance of the team. The decision to have a coach v manager was made by Coates and Martin and Schumacher was recruited on that basis , so Schumacher can have no issues with the role. The rallying cry was needed because it also signaled for the first the club hierarchy were not sleep walking to relegation. Whether that rallying call should have come from Coates , Walter’s or Schumacher is open for debate but the end result was not getting relegated. If there are issues between the two as individuals or the roles then , no better time to sought the lines of demarcation over the summer. The whole club structure has not been articulated well by Coates . What does the org chart look like ? Where does Richard Smith as Managing Director fit into the picture apart from being Denise’s husband . Does Walter’s as Director of Football and Simon King as COO report to him on John Coates. Is Coates the unannounced chairman and CEO ? It’s all a bit muddy. Simon King has done great job and made a lot of change that has been well communicated and well received. I hope that Walter and Schumacher can form a team that can replicate Simon Kings success operationally in the football department. Change can be uncomfortable Be more clear by the end of the summer come on then , what are all these changes you keep harping on about , just guess work on your part isn’t it
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Post by samblano on May 5, 2024 8:28:17 GMT
The Team have only really to start playing as a unit since SJW sent out his battle cry. Our safety this year is down to him. I think him and SS pulled this off
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2024 8:29:44 GMT
The Team have only really to start playing as a unit since SJW sent out his battle cry. Our safety this year is down to him. So are you saying the manager in this case has done very little to the cause and if he was here on his own we'd have gone down? That's quite the statement.
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