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Post by thornestein on May 4, 2024 8:50:27 GMT
Very easy to work out……Perhaps those in charge of 7 years of utter shite? Unless 18th is to be accepted and celebrated? for some it is and the club can’t do no wrong ,
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Post by thornestein on May 4, 2024 8:52:15 GMT
Very easy to work out……Perhaps those in charge of 7 years of utter shite? Unless 18th is to be accepted and celebrated? 'those in charge' Have changed multiple times since relegation if you mean the club as opposed to the managers we'll Scholes left and the dreadful Martin has been replaced If you simply mean JC it's as daft an argument as saying PC could never get Stoke promoted when he came back in 2006 (I should know as I was adamant he couldn't) Benji argues that we know have decent people in the right posts, King, Walters, Schumacher, Richard Smith That looks like a much stronger argument than yours does it , where’s the proof in that , because for me we have massively under achieved this season , unless a relegation battle is success
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Post by thornestein on May 4, 2024 9:09:50 GMT
'those in charge' Have changed multiple times since relegation if you mean the club as opposed to the managers we'll Scholes left and the dreadful Martin has been replaced If you simply mean JC it's as daft an argument as saying PC could never get Stoke promoted when he came back in 2006 (I should know as I was adamant he couldn't) Benji argues that we know have decent people in the right posts, King, Walters, Schumacher, Richard Smith That looks like a much stronger argument than yours This time next year, we’ll be saying “they are young, they just need time”, then we’ll blame injuries, then we’ll look for change and it’ll be a “fresh start”. John Coates relies on overspending to make up for his failures as a chairman, so instead of being relegated we escape it with a game to spare. Wonderful leadership. yeah rinse and repeat
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Post by thornestein on May 4, 2024 9:11:35 GMT
To be fair, if Walters wasn't an ex Stoke player and was called Dave Smith the argument from Benji (and others) would be very different. You'd hear things like "no course and distance" and "has never run a proper summer transfer window" and "huge risk" and of course the old faithful "gravity crocodile". I'm loving the positivity but i'm not yet seeing the basis for it that most people are? Give it time “ the times they are a changin “ and how do you know , basically it’s just your opinion
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 4, 2024 9:17:05 GMT
Manager changes tactics to suit the formation and opposition shocker ….its now called shitting themselves apparently Fuck me some of those on here have backed themselves into such a corner they are clinging on to anything to justify the shite they’ve posted about him relegating us since he signed He didn’t and he’s done the job he set it out to do and it’s got them scurrying around for anything to cling on to It was after the Brum game and sustained. It wasn’t about the opposition. Unless Sunderland away are a particularly scary proposition? He abandoned his principles when there was no need what so ever. It was weak. I never thought we’d be relegated either this season. That it came so close shows that I think he’s done a pretty crap job tbh.
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Post by bunnyscfc on May 4, 2024 9:17:39 GMT
Started there in November, and the Internet etc is a wonderful thing. He didn't have a clue as to best team and formation, but in his defence he was handed a poor hand due to awful leadership. Nice bloke, but seen little to tell me we'll improve. Well we already have improved - 18 points from 11 games since slipping into the relegation zone. Your agenda is becoming tiresome. Apparently an agenda is not being happy with: 18th 16th 14th 14th 15th 16th Relegation Fair play if being unhappy with that is an agenda. See, I view it the other way - if you're happy with that, and the untold riches spent to finish in those positions, then THAT is an agenda. A happy-clapping, happy to put up with failure agenda. I like the manager, but have reservations about him tactically and what he really wants from a team of his. He led us into the relegation zone in the first place, so congrats to him on getting us out of it. He merits questioning - but that's obviously an agenda. The more people have 'agendas' like mine, perhaps the higher up the league we'll finish and start punching our weight?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2024 9:22:10 GMT
Manager changes tactics to suit the formation and opposition shocker ….its now called shitting themselves apparently Fuck me some of those on here have backed themselves into such a corner they are clinging on to anything to justify the shite they’ve posted about him relegating us since he signed He didn’t and he’s done the job he set it out to do and it’s got them scurrying around for anything to cling on to So you really think the owners expectations when hiring the manager was to not progress and move up the table compared to the old gaffer but survive relegation with a game to go? If so then you need to give your head a wobble
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2024 9:28:05 GMT
For all the raving of the new infrastructure from sporting director to manager and coaches. We have improved a massive 1 position since he’s taken over. We have gone from 19th to 18th.
Yet some herald him as the saviour, the new messiah while the old manager was the devil incarnate.
Both current and previous manager have been poor, both would struggle to keep their job at any other club.
But as with a lot of Stoke fans, underdog and scraping by is what they thrive on and see it as plucky old stoke from plucky old Stoke-on-Trent.
I find it rather sad that collectively we have such a low standard of success.
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Post by bunnyscfc on May 4, 2024 9:29:25 GMT
One good month in the last 2 seasons has saved us from relegation. Last year it was an excellent March, this season April. Why can't people see that and how close we've come to the third tier? Unless things change, the gravity gets you in the end. We all saw 2018 coming - I don't see when you look at how this season has gone after 6 seasons of decline, that anyone who is concerned has an agenda.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 4, 2024 9:34:20 GMT
Manager changes tactics to suit the formation and opposition shocker ….its now called shitting themselves apparently Fuck me some of those on here have backed themselves into such a corner they are clinging on to anything to justify the shite they’ve posted about him relegating us since he signed He didn’t and he’s done the job he set it out to do and it’s got them scurrying around for anything to cling on to So you really think the owners expectations when hiring the manager was to not progress and move up the table compared to the old gaffer but survive relegation with a game to go? If so then you need to give your head a wobble It’s mad isn’t it. People are so happy with shit. This club is screwed.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 4, 2024 9:39:25 GMT
One good month in the last 2 seasons has saved us from relegation. Last year it was an excellent March, this season April. Why can't people see that and how close we've come to the third tier? Unless things change, the gravity gets you in the end. We all saw 2018 coming - I don't see when you look at how this season has gone after 6 seasons of decline, that anyone who is concerned has an agenda. You here today then mate?
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Post by bunnyscfc on May 4, 2024 9:47:53 GMT
My lad is playing cricket. Ok if I go watch him? I'll be watching Stoke, too.
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Post by lordb on May 4, 2024 9:47:55 GMT
Well we already have improved - 18 points from 11 games since slipping into the relegation zone. Your agenda is becoming tiresome. Apparently an agenda is not being happy with: 18th 16th 14th 14th 15th 16th Relegation Fair play if being unhappy with that is an agenda. See, I view it the other way - if you're happy with that, and the untold riches spent to finish in those positions, then THAT is an agenda. A happy-clapping, happy to put up with failure agenda. I like the manager, but have reservations about him tactically and what he really wants from a team of his. He led us into the relegation zone in the first place, so congrats to him on getting us out of it. He merits questioning - but that's obviously an agenda. The more people have 'agendas' like mine, perhaps the higher up the league we'll finish and start punching our weight? What have the previous seasons to do with King, Walters or Schumacher? If you can't say that change for the better has occurred and is continuing (lots more to do no question) thats really sad You are clearly expecting relegation or at best same again for next season Would a top 10 finish next season demonstrate progress or is it promotion only that would persuade you re the change?
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Post by jm on May 4, 2024 9:48:31 GMT
Well we already have improved - 18 points from 11 games since slipping into the relegation zone. Your agenda is becoming tiresome. Apparently an agenda is not being happy with: 18th 16th 14th 14th 15th 16th Relegation Fair play if being unhappy with that is an agenda. See, I view it the other way - if you're happy with that, and the untold riches spent to finish in those positions, then THAT is an agenda. A happy-clapping, happy to put up with failure agenda. I like the manager, but have reservations about him tactically and what he really wants from a team of his. He led us into the relegation zone in the first place, so congrats to him on getting us out of it. He merits questioning - but that's obviously an agenda. The more people have 'agendas' like mine, perhaps the higher up the league we'll finish and start punching our weight? You need to let the past go, it's gone and clearly not doing you any good constantly dragging it up. Its also irrelevant to the current staff. 2024 has seen quite a change on and off the pitch for the better. If you were going regularly you'd notice. Take a break for your own good if I was you.
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Post by lordb on May 4, 2024 9:48:45 GMT
My lad is playing cricket. Ok if I go watch him? I'll be watching Stoke, too. Anyone can watch as many Stoke games as they choose or not watch, it's not a problem
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 4, 2024 9:51:23 GMT
Apparently an agenda is not being happy with: 18th 16th 14th 14th 15th 16th Relegation Fair play if being unhappy with that is an agenda. See, I view it the other way - if you're happy with that, and the untold riches spent to finish in those positions, then THAT is an agenda. A happy-clapping, happy to put up with failure agenda. I like the manager, but have reservations about him tactically and what he really wants from a team of his. He led us into the relegation zone in the first place, so congrats to him on getting us out of it. He merits questioning - but that's obviously an agenda. The more people have 'agendas' like mine, perhaps the higher up the league we'll finish and start punching our weight? What have the previous seasons to do with King, Walters or Schumacher? If you can't say that change for the better has occurred and is continuing (lots more to do no question) thats really sad You are clearly expecting relegation or at best same again for next season Would a top 10 finish next season demonstrate progress or is it promotion only that would persuade you re the change? Change for the better? Relegation shouldn’t have been so close. Why wouldn’t anyone be expecting that next season?
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Post by bunnyscfc on May 4, 2024 9:52:59 GMT
One good month in the last 2 seasons has saved us from relegation. Last year it was an excellent March, this season April. Why can't people see that and how close we've come to the third tier? Unless things change, the gravity gets you in the end. We all saw 2018 coming - I don't see when you look at how this season has gone after 6 seasons of decline, that anyone who is concerned has an agenda. You here today then mate? Your fascination with my attendance at matches is touching. What you do with your time really doesn't bother me, nor is it my business. It also doesn't mean you can't have an informed opinion if you're not there today or for any other game - I would never question anyone's right to do that. I really don't need or want to put my supporting CV on here - as it really doesn't matter. Safe to say, I probably see more SCFC games at all levels of the club than a lot of people. That has stopped a little due to work and personal circumstances - again, nothing that is your business really, and something I wouldn't question you or others on. Basically, if you are there today or not, you can have an opinion. Others may disagree with it, and that's fine - but the holier-than-thou, medal winning, penis measuring that football supporting in 2024 has become, is a reason why it all leaves me a bit cold nowadays.
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Post by senojbor on May 4, 2024 9:55:33 GMT
After two great back to back wins I'm setting off now to hopefully see them go out on a high.
I'm not looking back, no point.
I'm just looking forward to next season with optimism.
Have a great summer
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Post by bassmaster on May 4, 2024 9:56:16 GMT
My lad is playing cricket. Ok if I go watch him? I'll be watching Stoke, too. Hope he’s a bit better at it than you…
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Post by lordb on May 4, 2024 9:57:27 GMT
What have the previous seasons to do with King, Walters or Schumacher? If you can't say that change for the better has occurred and is continuing (lots more to do no question) thats really sad You are clearly expecting relegation or at best same again for next season Would a top 10 finish next season demonstrate progress or is it promotion only that would persuade you re the change? Change for the better? Relegation shouldn’t have been so close. Why wouldn’t anyone be expecting that next season? He's stated relegation in the post above He's made it quite clear he expects no progress, that nothing has changed Top 10 finish appears perfectly reasonable expectation to me If I'm wrong and have another season of bottom 3rd then he can go but just don't understand why people are refusing to see what's in front of them More attacking football, more shots, two exciting wingerrs We haven't translated that into goals which is extremely frustrating and has to improve
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 4, 2024 9:59:32 GMT
Change for the better? Relegation shouldn’t have been so close. Why wouldn’t anyone be expecting that next season? He's stated relegation in the post above He's made it quite clear he expects no progress, that nothing has changed Top 10 finish appears perfectly reasonable expectation to me If I'm wrong and have another season of bottom 3rd then he can go but just don't understand why people are refusing to see what's in front of them More attacking football, more shots, two exciting wingerrs We haven't translated that into goals which is extremely frustrating and has to improve I think the manager will be sacked by November and we’ll start again. I have no faith in any of them bar Dublin just. We have barely survived and Schumacher has played a big part in making it tighter than it should have been.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 4, 2024 10:00:05 GMT
So you really think the owners expectations when hiring the manager was to not progress and move up the table compared to the old gaffer but survive relegation with a game to go? If so then you need to give your head a wobble It’s mad isn’t it. People are so happy with shit. This club is screwed. On another thread you were banging on about the squad being shit and needing wholesale changes and on this thread you are saying the head coach is shit for not getting that shit squad further up the league. The reality is we did a massive rebuild last summer and Neil failed to get it to gel, in part because a lot of tbe players has never experienced the physicality and intensity of this league. Schumacher came in mid season when it was clear we were in a relegation battle, failed (unsurprisinglygly) to get the squad to adopt his preferred style of play but succeeded in the main objective of avoiding relegation. In project management jargon avoiding relegation was an essential requirement of the job and moving comfortably up the league was a "nice to have". That has fuck all to do with a lack of ambition and everything to do with being realistic about where we are at. There is a massive gap between the Stoke City in the real world and the one in your head. And no matter how easy it is to improve the Stoke City in your head your magic powers don't extend to the real world where actually doing stuff is actually quite hard. Everyone associated with the real world Stoke City want things to improve but the majority recognise the real world is different to the video game going on their head.
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Post by bunnyscfc on May 4, 2024 10:01:36 GMT
Apparently an agenda is not being happy with: 18th 16th 14th 14th 15th 16th Relegation Fair play if being unhappy with that is an agenda. See, I view it the other way - if you're happy with that, and the untold riches spent to finish in those positions, then THAT is an agenda. A happy-clapping, happy to put up with failure agenda. I like the manager, but have reservations about him tactically and what he really wants from a team of his. He led us into the relegation zone in the first place, so congrats to him on getting us out of it. He merits questioning - but that's obviously an agenda. The more people have 'agendas' like mine, perhaps the higher up the league we'll finish and start punching our weight? You need to let the past go, it's gone and clearly not doing you any good constantly dragging it up. Its also irrelevant to the current staff. 2024 has seen quite a change on and off the pitch for the better. If you were going regularly you'd notice. Take a break for your own good if I was you. It's not the past, it's the present and the recent. There's an underlying trend and it hasn't abated. I hope that Schumacher succeeds. Nice bloke, done averagely at best so far. Happy that he's given time and it's great that SJW has replaced Martin. That's a massive positive. Irrelevant to the current staff - the current staff have us in 18th, and one game from relegation. The current staff have been appointed by a man who has hardly got a decision right in 7 years. That staff? "Not doing me any good"/"take a break for your own good". What strange comments. What's that based on? Are you my doctor? I've never felt better - all I'm arsed about is my three kids being healthy and happy. They are, so I am. Please don't offer me your cod-psychology on here. Flattered that you're arsed about my health, but you really shouldn't be. "If you were going regularly you'd notice". I'd wager that I have seen far more Stoke games at all levels of the club this season than you. That's not me bragging, just defending myself from a pretty shitty comment that has no bearing on having an informed opinion.
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Post by bunnyscfc on May 4, 2024 10:02:08 GMT
My lad is playing cricket. Ok if I go watch him? I'll be watching Stoke, too. Hope he’s a bit better at it than you… Handfackinball - not a chance mate* *he is
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Post by foxysgloves on May 4, 2024 10:02:12 GMT
You here today then mate? Your fascination with my attendance at matches is touching. What you do with your time really doesn't bother me, nor is it my business. It also doesn't mean you can't have an informed opinion if you're not there today or for any other game - I would never question anyone's right to do that. I really don't need or want to put my supporting CV on here - as it really doesn't matter. Safe to say, I probably see more SCFC games at all levels of the club than a lot of people. That has stopped a little due to work and personal circumstances - again, nothing that is your business really, and something I wouldn't question you or others on. Basically, if you are there today or not, you can have an opinion. Others may disagree with it, and that's fine - but the holier-than-thou, medal winning, penis measuring that football supporting in 2024 has become, is a reason why it all leaves me a bit cold nowadays. Great post.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 4, 2024 10:04:17 GMT
It’s mad isn’t it. People are so happy with shit. This club is screwed. On another thread you were banging on about the squad being shit and needing wholesale changes and on this thread you are saying the head coach is shit for not getting that shit squad further up the league. The reality is we did a massive rebuild last summer and Neil failed to get it to gel, in part because a lot of tbe players has never experienced the physicality and intensity of this league. Schumacher came in mid season when it was clear we were in a relegation battle, failed (unsurprisinglygly) to get the squad to adopt his preferred style of play but succeeded in the main objective of avoiding relegation. In project management jargon avoiding relegation was an essential requirement of the job and moving comfortably up the league was a "nice to have". That has fuck all to do with a lack of ambition and everything to do with being realistic about where we are at. There is a massive gap between the Stoke City in the real world and the one in your head. And no matter how easy it is to improve the Stoke City in your head your magic powers don't extend to the real world where actually doing stuff is actually quite hard. Everyone associated with the real world Stoke City want things to improve but the majority recognise the real world is different to the video game going on their head. I never thought we were going to be relegated though. Schumacher for me was bought in to get us up the table. He made relegation a closer run thing than it should have been. If only we had billionaire owners that spend millions to try and sort the issues out. 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by foxysgloves on May 4, 2024 10:04:22 GMT
Well we already have improved - 18 points from 11 games since slipping into the relegation zone. Your agenda is becoming tiresome. Apparently an agenda is not being happy with: 18th 16th 14th 14th 15th 16th Relegation Fair play if being unhappy with that is an agenda. See, I view it the other way - if you're happy with that, and the untold riches spent to finish in those positions, then THAT is an agenda. A happy-clapping, happy to put up with failure agenda. I like the manager, but have reservations about him tactically and what he really wants from a team of his. He led us into the relegation zone in the first place, so congrats to him on getting us out of it. He merits questioning - but that's obviously an agenda. The more people have 'agendas' like mine, perhaps the higher up the league we'll finish and start punching our weight? I really don’t think anyone is happy with where we are. I think it’s more about seeing the green shoots and getting behind the likes of Walters and Schumacher. It’s been shit but there have been glimpses of what we can be. Ipswich have proved what momentum and genuine togetherness can achieve.
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Post by baconburger on May 4, 2024 10:04:45 GMT
That’s rubbish. There was clearly a period where he tried to implement his own philosophies which after a meh start went into freefall. That was followed by a period where we clearly played a more attritional ugly percentage brand of football to grind out the points to create a chink of light between us and the bottom 3. Followed by the surprise reversion to Schuball for the Plymouth game. I’m certainly not seeing that to slight our head coach in any way whatsoever. What came in between concerned me more than anything. Plymouth gave me hope that we still might actually try to play some decent football moving forward. As I’ve said above there is far more still unknown than known about the dynamics of our management set up and that’s mainly because Walters footballing beliefs are completely unknown barring an association which could be completely wide of the mark. I’m interested to see how it pans out. It's not rubbish Certain posters have decided very early that he's no good, that we will go down and are now stating the modest but clear changes in the right direction are nothing to do with the manager or in Bayerns case down to luck Now we are seeing more than poster hint and nudge that the relationship between manager and SJW is not right, that there is some mysterious disconnect between them. If Walters is a Pulis disciple as some suggest I’m sure there will be a major disconnect between them but who actually knows what Walters philosophies of the game actually are. It’s just an easy assumption to make.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 4, 2024 10:10:13 GMT
You here today then mate? Your fascination with my attendance at matches is touching. What you do with your time really doesn't bother me, nor is it my business. It also doesn't mean you can't have an informed opinion if you're not there today or for any other game - I would never question anyone's right to do that. I really don't need or want to put my supporting CV on here - as it really doesn't matter. Safe to say, I probably see more SCFC games at all levels of the club than a lot of people. That has stopped a little due to work and personal circumstances - again, nothing that is your business really, and something I wouldn't question you or others on. Basically, if you are there today or not, you can have an opinion. Others may disagree with it, and that's fine - but the holier-than-thou, medal winning, penis measuring that football supporting in 2024 has become, is a reason why it all leaves me a bit cold nowadays. I have no fascination whatsoever and what you do with your time is your concern but how you can judge the manager when you’ve admitted previously you don’t watch the games is beyond me but each to their own
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Post by foxysgloves on May 4, 2024 10:14:02 GMT
That’s rubbish. There was clearly a period where he tried to implement his own philosophies which after a meh start went into freefall. That was followed by a period where we clearly played a more attritional ugly percentage brand of football to grind out the points to create a chink of light between us and the bottom 3. Followed by the surprise reversion to Schuball for the Plymouth game. I’m certainly not seeing that to slight our head coach in any way whatsoever. What came in between concerned me more than anything. Plymouth gave me hope that we still might actually try to play some decent football moving forward. As I’ve said above there is far more still unknown than known about the dynamics of our management set up and that’s mainly because Walters footballing beliefs are completely unknown barring an association which could be completely wide of the mark. I’m interested to see how it pans out. It's not rubbish Certain posters have decided very early that he's no good, that we will go down and are now stating the modest but clear changes in the right direction are nothing to do with the manager or in Bayerns case down to luck Now we are seeing more than poster hint and nudge that the relationship between manager and SJW is not right, that there is some mysterious disconnect between them. I’ve missed this. So is there a disconnect between the manager and Walters? Very concerning if that’s true.
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