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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 9, 2024 8:15:25 GMT
My head's not in the sand. I think that sometimes you have to look forward, not constantly harp on about what's gone before. You can't undo the past. Yes - the last 7 years have been shit. We're almost at the end of another crap season. Write it off, go again. If your glass is half-full, bringing in Walters, and trying to regenerate some of that DNA that made us great for a time, has got to be worth a try. Otherwise, go and look at the lists of PL & Championship DoFs that someone posted earlier & wank yourself daft at some of the ubersexy names on those lists. I'll wait. And you do if there is something to look forward to. I don’t see that. I have no faith in the person making the decision and don’t think anything will change as long as that person is making the decisions. So it’s hard to be half full (that’s what she said or something 🤣) anyway….. I don’t buy the write it off and go again stuff wither. People have been saying that every time and it means nothing. And I actually think it’s an attitude that is actively helping us get worse. I have a begrudging admiration I guess that you can be so (imo) blase about it all. But I can’t I genuinely wish I didn’t give a fuck (not saying you don’t but that’s what it’d take for me). You could buy the club or do something public to show your dissatisfaction in the hope that the owners will make changes or sell up? Failing that you could just continue to whine on a message board about how shit the owners are. Either way I'm not really sure what you expect ordinary fans to do, many of whom simply want to turn up and see their team win on a weekend. Others would rather just look forward to what could happen instead of constantly looking back about what has happened.........
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 9, 2024 8:17:51 GMT
“Is Thompson fit enough? If he is then it’s a coin toss between Baker and Laurent. But I thought Laurent look fucked.” Burger looked fucked v Huddersfield but you wanted him started. Someone’s sounding a little hypocritical. No, it’s not the team I’d play. For the past 8 years now, there’s I’d select and one I pick trying to think like the current manager….. Like I can see his logic with Leris, my view is that he’s the worst signing we’ve made and I’d be loathed to have him on the bench for any game. But I think he’ll start him…. So even if a player looks fucked you’d start him? And you wonder why most managers are ex players? Maybe because they don’t make dopey decisions like playing players who aren’t fully fit?
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Post by mamathestriker on Apr 9, 2024 8:19:38 GMT
Club rush into a decision: Rubbish Stoke Club take their time and make a decision based on seeing how things go: Rubbish Stoke Club appoint someone external: Rubbish Stoke Club appoint someone known to the club, qualified, who gets the club: Rubbish Stoke They literally cannot win. I've complained this last few seasons about various things but it must be so tiring to be so negative about absolutely everything. Well no we can’t. That’s the problem. And it’s not being negative is it? It’s just using the evidence we have to make a judgement. There is no evidence to suggest John Coates knows the first thing about running a football club. But he's trying to make changes to make sure things get better. He's been massively naive, and with Simon King and SJW it feels like we have two effective people helping to ease the burden. I think the Walters appointment is something we should be pleased about, rather than wholly negative.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2024 8:20:35 GMT
No, it’s not the team I’d play. For the past 8 years now, there’s I’d select and one I pick trying to think like the current manager….. Like I can see his logic with Leris, my view is that he’s the worst signing we’ve made and I’d be loathed to have him on the bench for any game. But I think he’ll start him…. So even if a player looks fucked you’d start him? And you wonder why most managers are ex players? Maybe because they don’t make dopey decisions like playing players who aren’t fully fit? If you have 5 cup finals like we do then yes and they’re one of your better players then yes. Josh Laurent doesn’t fall into that category mind. They play players that aren’t fully fit all the time 🤣
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2024 8:21:09 GMT
And you do if there is something to look forward to. I don’t see that. I have no faith in the person making the decision and don’t think anything will change as long as that person is making the decisions. So it’s hard to be half full (that’s what she said or something 🤣) anyway….. I don’t buy the write it off and go again stuff wither. People have been saying that every time and it means nothing. And I actually think it’s an attitude that is actively helping us get worse. I have a begrudging admiration I guess that you can be so (imo) blase about it all. But I can’t I genuinely wish I didn’t give a fuck (not saying you don’t but that’s what it’d take for me). You could buy the club or do something public to show your dissatisfaction in the hope that the owners will make changes or sell up? Failing that you could just continue to whine on a message board about how shit the owners are. Either way I'm not really sure what you expect ordinary fans to do, many of whom simply want to turn up and see their team win on a weekend. Others would rather just look forward to what could happen instead of constantly looking back about what has happened......... Then they are part of the problem.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2024 8:22:33 GMT
Well no we can’t. That’s the problem. And it’s not being negative is it? It’s just using the evidence we have to make a judgement. There is no evidence to suggest John Coates knows the first thing about running a football club. But he's trying to make changes to make sure things get better. He's been massively naive, and with Simon King and SJW it feels like we have two effective people helping to ease the burden. I think the Walters appointment is something we should be pleased about, rather than wholly negative. And I don’t think it is. It’s in the same vein as the other appointments and I have no faith it will work. I really hope it does because if it doesn’t he’s tried everything really. We’d just need getting TP back for the full house of desperate decisions.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 9, 2024 8:23:14 GMT
So even if a player looks fucked you’d start him? And you wonder why most managers are ex players? Maybe because they don’t make dopey decisions like playing players who aren’t fully fit? If you have 5 cup finals like we do then yes and they’re one of your better players then yes. Josh Laurent doesn’t fall into that category mind. They play players that aren’t fully fit all the time 🤣 You’re seriously saying you don’t think it’s important if a player is fit enough to start a game? And not alone that, but a ‘cup final’? You’d go into a game fielding players who aren’t fit and therefore won’t be anywhere near their best? Words fail me.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2024 8:26:47 GMT
If you have 5 cup finals like we do then yes and they’re one of your better players then yes. Josh Laurent doesn’t fall into that category mind. They play players that aren’t fully fit all the time 🤣 You’re seriously saying you don’t think it’s important if a player is fit enough to start a game? And not alone that, but a ‘cup final’? You’d go into a game fielding players who aren’t fit and therefore won’t be anywhere near their best? Words fail me. I think managers do it all the time. Look at our actual cup final…..
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 9, 2024 8:33:22 GMT
Well no we can’t. That’s the problem. And it’s not being negative is it? It’s just using the evidence we have to make a judgement. There is no evidence to suggest John Coates knows the first thing about running a football club. But he's trying to make changes to make sure things get better. He's been massively naive, and with Simon King and SJW it feels like we have two effective people helping to ease the burden. I think the Walters appointment is something we should be pleased about, rather than wholly negative. Yep Would rather take the word of those actually working with him than moaning bloke on the internet who hasn't a clue about his capabilities in the job
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2024 8:34:42 GMT
Interesting comments in the Sentinel from Walters about what the role entails compared to other clubs.
“At one club the role might just entail being head of recruitment and you might not touch medical, sports science, academy and women’s team whereas at Stoke City it encompasses everything.”
Of course it does.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 9, 2024 8:42:54 GMT
Interesting comments in the Sentinel from Walters about what the role entails compared to other clubs. “At one club the role might just entail being head of recruitment and you might not touch medical, sports science, academy and women’s team whereas at Stoke City it encompasses everything.” Of course it does. 🤦♀️ Unbelievable isn't it. A rookie having total control over the club. I wonder how many more times things have to go tits up before JC steps aside.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 9, 2024 8:43:58 GMT
Interesting comments in the Sentinel from Walters about what the role entails compared to other clubs. “At one club the role might just entail being head of recruitment and you might not touch medical, sports science, academy and women’s team whereas at Stoke City it encompasses everything.” Of course it does. 🤦♀️ The clubs that insist the Sporting Director doesn't touch the academy or the women's team have probably made the right call.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 9, 2024 8:52:31 GMT
You could buy the club or do something public to show your dissatisfaction in the hope that the owners will make changes or sell up? Failing that you could just continue to whine on a message board about how shit the owners are. Either way I'm not really sure what you expect ordinary fans to do, many of whom simply want to turn up and see their team win on a weekend. Others would rather just look forward to what could happen instead of constantly looking back about what has happened......... Then they are part of the problem. An individual fan generally just buys a season ticket, the odd bit of merchandise and the occasional beer/coffee/pie on matchdays. If you’re doing the same, you are just as much part of the problem. You’re just moaning about it along the way. What do you expect fans to do other than support their team?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Apr 9, 2024 8:54:16 GMT
Interesting comments in the Sentinel from Walters about what the role entails compared to other clubs. “At one club the role might just entail being head of recruitment and you might not touch medical, sports science, academy and women’s team whereas at Stoke City it encompasses everything.” Of course it does. 🤦♀️ The clubs that insist the Sporting Director doesn't touch the academy or the women's team have probably made the right call. Surely you'd want a sporting director to be creating synergy between the youth teams and the 1st team. Isn't that all part of the DNA talk and us having a smaller squad and looking to promote more academy players. And isn’t that wise in terms of how we could navigate FFP a lot better...how I see it anyway..
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Post by rowleyscfc on Apr 9, 2024 8:55:29 GMT
Interesting comments in the Sentinel from Walters about what the role entails compared to other clubs. “At one club the role might just entail being head of recruitment and you might not touch medical, sports science, academy and women’s team whereas at Stoke City it encompasses everything.” Of course it does. 🤦♀️ Unbelievable isn't it. A rookie having total control over the club. I wonder how many more times things have to go tits up before JC steps aside. Xabi Alonso never managed before, given the Leverkusen job haven't lost a game all season, now wanted by every club in Europe. Being experienced doesn't = ability to do the role correctly, what has he done since he come in to say this is the wrong appointment?
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 9, 2024 9:11:50 GMT
Interesting comments in the Sentinel from Walters about what the role entails compared to other clubs. “At one club the role might just entail being head of recruitment and you might not touch medical, sports science, academy and women’s team whereas at Stoke City it encompasses everything.” Of course it does. 🤦♀️ Unbelievable isn't it. A rookie having total control over the club. I wonder how many more times things have to go tits up before JC steps aside. You have a real issue with Walters don’t you? Still no response from you regarding your comments on his political views and your suggestions that he went on strike at Ipswich. Interesting.
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Post by eddyclamp on Apr 9, 2024 9:13:27 GMT
Walters never gave anything less than 100% in a Stoke shirt, I would expect him to do the same in this new role. More importantly , he will expect everyone at the club to do the same. I can see him ruffling a few feathers along the way, but he comes in with Stoke DNA, no agenda and a will to succeed. All the best Jon.
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Post by Scouse on Apr 9, 2024 9:44:32 GMT
Appointment welcomed …
They say our days are numbered , that we’re not famous any more , but Scousers rule the country like we’ve always done before 🤣. .. ( takes cover )
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 9, 2024 9:48:36 GMT
Walters never gave anything less than 100% in a Stoke shirt, I would expect him to do the same in this new role. More importantly , he will expect everyone at the club to do the same. I can see him ruffling a few feathers along the way, but he comes in with Stoke DNA, no agenda and a will to succeed. All the best Jon. Seems hungry and determined to succeed. He knows from first hand experience what the club can be and hopefully he can help us get back there.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 9, 2024 9:51:59 GMT
Interesting comments in the Sentinel from Walters about what the role entails compared to other clubs. “At one club the role might just entail being head of recruitment and you might not touch medical, sports science, academy and women’s team whereas at Stoke City it encompasses everything.” Of course it does. 🤦♀️ Unbelievable isn't it. A rookie having total control over the club. I wonder how many more times things have to go tits up before JC steps aside. Especially when those with experience did such a great job
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Post by J-Roar on Apr 9, 2024 9:55:06 GMT
Interesting comments in the Sentinel from Walters about what the role entails compared to other clubs. “At one club the role might just entail being head of recruitment and you might not touch medical, sports science, academy and women’s team whereas at Stoke City it encompasses everything.” Of course it does. 🤦♀️ The clubs that insist the Sporting Director doesn't touch the academy or the women's team have probably made the right call. Hopefully he doesn't touch the women's team.
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Post by misterj on Apr 9, 2024 10:46:51 GMT
I think it’s an inspired appointment ….. takes some of the pressure off fellow-Scouser SS ✅ brings some of the old TP DNA along to the party ✅ speaks intelligently and understands the passion of the Stoke demographic ✅ will NOT tolerate slackers ✅ and what I partic like ….. isn’t it documented that he’s one of the few ppl in the game who ever had the balls to stand up to Roy Keane? ✅ Can’t see how there’s much to complain about with this appointment IMO
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Post by thischarmingmanc on Apr 9, 2024 10:57:05 GMT
Where as you area genius on the subject who everyone ought to listen to? The definely something odd going in your head if you think your the genius who knows everything that needed to fix stoke city, and if only everyone listen to you the world would be a better place. Club rush into a decision: Rubbish Stoke Club take their time and make a decision based on seeing how things go: Rubbish Stoke Club appoint someone external: Rubbish Stoke Club appoint someone known to the club, qualified, who gets the club: Rubbish Stoke They literally cannot win. I've complained this last few seasons about various things but it must be so tiring to be so negative about absolutely everything. Well no we can’t. That’s the problem. And it’s not being negative is it? It’s just using the evidence we have to make a judgement. There is no evidence to suggest John Coates knows the first thing about running a football club.
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Post by lordb on Apr 9, 2024 11:15:34 GMT
If you have 5 cup finals like we do then yes and they’re one of your better players then yes. Josh Laurent doesn’t fall into that category mind. They play players that aren’t fully fit all the time 🤣 You’re seriously saying you don’t think it’s important if a player is fit enough to start a game? And not alone that, but a ‘cup final’? You’d go into a game fielding players who aren’t fit and therefore won’t be anywhere near their best? Words fail me. Our actual Cup final we played two of our best players despite both being unfit Didn't work Macari second spell we should have won the play offs but ended up completely flat as the first team were flogged relentlessly due to lack of (for whatever reason) back up players The Championship is a slog, some degree of rotation is essential however FFP means we simply can't have 25 or so players of equal quality
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Post by bertiestan on Apr 9, 2024 11:34:18 GMT
Unbelievable isn't it. A rookie having total control over the club. I wonder how many more times things have to go tits up before JC steps aside. You have a real issue with Walters don’t you? Still no response from you regarding your comments on his political views and your suggestions that he went on strike at Ipswich. Interesting. It’s looking that way foxy🔴⚪️
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Post by thisisouryear on Apr 9, 2024 11:36:18 GMT
I love Walters and he speaks very well but taking my rose tinted glasses off he's massively inexperienced. It may well work out but on paper this is another poor decision by Jon Coates. On the positive side nobody will work harder than Walters and he's always been an over achiever so it's not like there is no hope. I still think we should have gone for someone like MON who has been a manager and would be more equipped to deal with another manager/Coaches needs. Having someone like Walters to work with someone like MON would have been the best way in my opinion. Not many Technical/ Sporting Director / DOF's seem to be ex managers. Perhaps ex managers would be too keen in meddling in team affairs and the role requires to oversee things from a distance. I wouldn't have been against MON coming back but I think we need to give Walters a chance before declaring it to be a poor decision by Jon Coates. The fans will give Walters every chance because he's loved here but his lack of experience in a very important role is worrying and it has been the same type of decision making in past appointments which went tits up. Only difference this time is the person leading the way is a fans favorite, it might work but you can't complain about people being skeptical.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2024 11:38:59 GMT
Where as you area genius on the subject who everyone ought to listen to? The definely something odd going in your head if you think your the genius who knows everything that needed to fix stoke city, and if only everyone listen to you the world would be a better place. Well no we can’t. That’s the problem. And it’s not being negative is it? It’s just using the evidence we have to make a judgement. There is no evidence to suggest John Coates knows the first thing about running a football club. Well we wouldn’t have been relegated so there is that.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2024 11:40:29 GMT
Not many Technical/ Sporting Director / DOF's seem to be ex managers. Perhaps ex managers would be too keen in meddling in team affairs and the role requires to oversee things from a distance. I wouldn't have been against MON coming back but I think we need to give Walters a chance before declaring it to be a poor decision by Jon Coates. The fans will give Walters every chance because he's loved here but his lack of experience in a very important role is worrying and it has been the same type of decision making in past appointments which went tits up. Only difference this time is the person leading the way is a fans favorite, it might work but you can't complain about people being skeptical. He will be given more time if anything. And from that pov it’s quite astute from Coates as a distraction from the job he’s doing.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 9, 2024 11:40:36 GMT
I love Walters and he speaks very well but taking my rose tinted glasses off he's massively inexperienced. It may well work out but on paper this is another poor decision by Jon Coates. On the positive side nobody will work harder than Walters and he's always been an over achiever so it's not like there is no hope. I still think we should have gone for someone like MON who has been a manager and would be more equipped to deal with another manager/Coaches needs. Having someone like Walters to work with someone like MON would have been the best way in my opinion. How can it be a poor decision if it works out?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 9, 2024 11:46:53 GMT
The clubs that insist the Sporting Director doesn't touch the academy or the women's team have probably made the right call. Surely you'd want a sporting director to be creating synergy between the youth teams and the 1st team. Isn't that all part of the DNA talk and us having a smaller squad and looking to promote more academy players. And isn’t that wise in terms of how we could navigate FFP a lot better...how I see it anyway.. No offence intended but I think that's my first unintentional whoosh...
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