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Post by peterthornesboots on Dec 11, 2023 10:18:00 GMT
Why not - been some much better stuff from Stoke off the pitch this season Agrre Richard and Simon K have done brilliantly. And not hepred by the garbage coming form martin and the crap on the pitch they work has ben much undervalued. I think Simon King has been a breath of fresh air. He seems to be getting plenty done behind the scenes without seeking out the limelight. The Open Training Session, several Meet the Player nights, Meet the Manager, and the plans for the Fan Zone have all been very welcome developments. It is just a shame that it is being overshadowed by some of the garbage on the football side.
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Post by idle on Dec 11, 2023 10:18:33 GMT
The need Tricky Ricky and Jolly Jared to jog off very quickly they are part of the problem not the cure! Yeah, and kick out every coach, physio and other staff as well! And then JC'll have to hire everyone from scratch, that'll work splendidly! RM and JD may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I'd rather have an arrogant bastard that knows what he's doing than a mellow likeable fellow or a "hard-man" some on here seem to want. If you've alreasy passed judgement on every signing this season, all of whom have played for a manager afraid of his own shadow, I don't know what to tell you except that's not how football works.
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Post by stokiejoe on Dec 11, 2023 10:19:27 GMT
Almost anybody but Scott Parker Why is it football based or a personality contest. I don’t really like him from what I see but surely that’s an irrelevance. I don't think his arrogance is what is needed to get the players to gel as a team. We need someone to look at the players we have and figure out the best formation and tactics. Nathan tried to impose his one style fits all and failed. We need a manager with the personality to get fans and players onside as well as football knowledge to perform on the pitch. In my opinion Scott Parker is the opposite of all that.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 11, 2023 10:25:52 GMT
Why is it football based or a personality contest. I don’t really like him from what I see but surely that’s an irrelevance. I don't think his arrogance is what is needed to get the players to gel as a team. We need someone to look at the players we have and figure out the best formation and tactics. Nathan tried to impose his one style fits all and failed. We need a manager with the personality to get fans and players onside as well as football knowledge to perform on the pitch. In my opinion Scott Parker is the opposite of all that. I’ve no idea how the players would perceive him would have thought he was more their cup of tea than some dour old grunge like AN even though he’s not actually old. He might come across to me as a Southern ponce but as I say that’s irrelevant it’s how the players relate to him that counts.
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Post by stokiejoe on Dec 11, 2023 10:48:56 GMT
I don't think his arrogance is what is needed to get the players to gel as a team. We need someone to look at the players we have and figure out the best formation and tactics. Nathan tried to impose his one style fits all and failed. We need a manager with the personality to get fans and players onside as well as football knowledge to perform on the pitch. In my opinion Scott Parker is the opposite of all that. I’ve no idea how the players would perceive him would have thought he was more their cup of tea than some dour old grunge like AN even though he’s not actually old. He might come across to me as a Southern ponce but as I say that’s irrelevant it’s how the players relate to him that counts. I agree to some extent but the relationship with the fans is also important, ok what happens on the pitch is the most important.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 11, 2023 10:49:34 GMT
When she news broke my better half asked " has that Spiv gone with him"? . When I replied no and that he was leading the search for the new manager, she said " well there is no hope then"? Not sure either him or Jared should be here much longer. I remember all the BS of the summer talking about how recruitment had improved, was now thorough and we were signing strong characters, no sign of any of it. It really feels back to the drawing board and hopefully the new manager can get enough of a tune out of them so keep us out of trouble, get players like Baker and Laurent back to their best and give our young players game time so they improve.
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Post by Gods on Dec 11, 2023 10:55:41 GMT
The need Tricky Ricky and Jolly Jared to jog off very quickly they are part of the problem not the cure! Yeah, and kick out every coach, physio and other staff as well! And then JC'll have to hire everyone from scratch, that'll work splendidly! RM and JD may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I'd rather have an arrogant bastard that knows what he's doing than a mellow likeable fellow or a "hard-man" some on here seem to want. If you've alreasy passed judgement on every signing this season, all of whom have played for a manager afraid of his own shadow, I don't know what to tell you except that's not how football works. I'm not sure he does know what he is doing after seeing him preside over the calamitous summer rebuild. And why would he? He went from academy manager at West Ham to Director of Football at Stoke.
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Post by baconburger on Dec 11, 2023 11:00:52 GMT
I’ve no idea how the players would perceive him would have thought he was more their cup of tea than some dour old grunge like AN even though he’s not actually old. He might come across to me as a Southern ponce but as I say that’s irrelevant it’s how the players relate to him that counts. I agree to some extent but the relationship with the fans is also important, ok what happens on the pitch is the most important. I think it would be very difficult to satisfy both criteria. A hell of a lot of our fans have a very old fashioned mindset and whilst I don’t know any of our players I doubt very much many of them do.
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Post by andystokey on Dec 11, 2023 11:08:24 GMT
I still hark back to the awkward exchange at the meet the manager with Ricky, John and Alex.
The simple question was " who works for who and what is the structure
JC jumped in as AN and RM fumbled and said.
RM was a club appointment RM was responsible for all other football recruitment, Academy, Women etc.
AN was ALL first team matters only
They were "peers" who attended a forum with JC and others to discuss strategy.
At the time I remember thinking who hires and fires AN replacement? and would they work FOR RM moving forward?
What stinks is RM clearly didn't hire AN rather AN recommended RM to John.
I really don't see if they were "peers" how RM can recommend or hire a "peer".
The DoF model must surely require the recommendation to belong to the DoF and they would hire and fire. We have a real muddle here now. Especially if RM is on thin ice.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Dec 11, 2023 11:10:34 GMT
Dear Ricky,
Head to Smethwick drop some cash for Carlos Corboran and whilst there get BTA in.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Dec 11, 2023 11:21:55 GMT
I wonder what the plan is/is there a plan?
Wait and see who applies? Appoint a sticking plaster to see out the season and avoid relegation (Warnock/Allardyce type)? Go for a one stop shop (Potter/Parker type)? Or hedge bets (Nuno Santo type)?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 11, 2023 13:08:13 GMT
Can't see him staying,so why is he allowed his input on our next manager?
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Post by thepottypotter on Dec 11, 2023 13:47:24 GMT
He’s asking Chat GPT to come up with the shortlist.
That’s what blue sky, innovative, cultural maestros running football clubs do these days…
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 11, 2023 13:53:22 GMT
I still hark back to the awkward exchange at the meet the manager with Ricky, John and Alex. The simple question was " who works for who and what is the structure JC jumped in as AN and RM fumbled and said. RM was a club appointment RM was responsible for all other football recruitment, Academy, Women etc. AN was ALL first team matters only They were "peers" who attended a forum with JC and others to discuss strategy. At the time I remember thinking who hires and fires AN replacement? and would they work FOR RM moving forward? What stinks is RM clearly didn't hire AN rather AN recommended RM to John. I really don't see if they were "peers" how RM can recommend or hire a "peer". The DoF model must surely require the recommendation to belong to the DoF and they would hire and fire. We have a real muddle here now. Especially if RM is on thin ice. And if that's all true then there we go. Upstairs is a bloody mess, so why expect the rest of the club to be any different. John needs to get the structure top down sorted so we can modernise and then move into the year 2024 as opposed to being stuck back in the 80s and 90s.
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Post by idle on Dec 11, 2023 14:12:08 GMT
Yeah, and kick out every coach, physio and other staff as well! And then JC'll have to hire everyone from scratch, that'll work splendidly! RM and JD may not be everyone's cup of tea, but I'd rather have an arrogant bastard that knows what he's doing than a mellow likeable fellow or a "hard-man" some on here seem to want. If you've alreasy passed judgement on every signing this season, all of whom have played for a manager afraid of his own shadow, I don't know what to tell you except that's not how football works. I'm not sure he does know what he is doing after seeing him preside over the calamitous summer rebuild. And why would he? He went from academy manager at West Ham to Director of Football at Stoke. Calamitous? Ah, you're one of those that have already labeled all the players as shite and not fit to wear the shirt? The only thing I've seen have been players not being able to play in a system no one, including the fans, have been able to decipher, lead by a manager thats about as motivational as a wet pair of trousers in a snow storm. I'm willing to give them a chance under a new manager, and I think many of them will blossom provided we find the right one. I'm not sure RM's good enough either, but what I am sure of is that getting rid of everyone and starting from scratch isn't a good way forward. We've already seen too many changes in the coaching staff this year, to the point they had to backtrack on sacking Gareth Owen. Give the man a chance to find a good manager, and let's sack him if he fails. The alternative is JC both finding a new manager and another DoF, and we all know how well that has worked...
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Post by tuum on Dec 11, 2023 19:06:48 GMT
When she news broke my better half asked " has that Spiv gone with him"? . When I replied no and that he was leading the search for the new manager, she said " well there is no hope then"? Not sure either him or Jared should be here much longer. I remember all the BS of the summer talking about how recruitment had improved, was now thorough and we were signing strong characters, no sign of any of it. It really feels back to the drawing board and hopefully the new manager can get enough of a tune out of them so keep us out of trouble, get players like Baker and Laurent back to their best and give our young players game time so they improve. I think you make a valid point about strong characters. Clearly RM and AN were aware of previous problems and their previous words were clearly meant to reassure us but I see no evidence of leaders on the pitch. In fact, the opposite. I see a couple of players who are a bit mardy and clearly not comfortable with the pace and demands of this league. There is a distinct lack of resilience in the squad... as per the last few seasons.
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Post by kustokie on Dec 11, 2023 19:54:28 GMT
I still hark back to the awkward exchange at the meet the manager with Ricky, John and Alex. The simple question was " who works for who and what is the structure JC jumped in as AN and RM fumbled and said. RM was a club appointment RM was responsible for all other football recruitment, Academy, Women etc. AN was ALL first team matters only They were "peers" who attended a forum with JC and others to discuss strategy. At the time I remember thinking who hires and fires AN replacement? and would they work FOR RM moving forward? What stinks is RM clearly didn't hire AN rather AN recommended RM to John. I really don't see if they were "peers" how RM can recommend or hire a "peer". The DoF model must surely require the recommendation to belong to the DoF and they would hire and fire. We have a real muddle here now. Especially if RM is on thin ice. And if that's all true then there we go. Upstairs is a bloody mess, so why expect the rest of the club to be any different. John needs to get the structure top down sorted so we can modernise and then move into the year 2024 as opposed to being stuck back in the 80s and 90s. What makes you think John Coates is capable of sorting it out? He’s presided over one of the biggest disasters in Stoke’s history. He’s Co-CEO of Bet365 but Denise Coates is responsible for its success. There’s no evidence John Coates has any managerial experience whatsoever.
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Post by kustokie on Dec 11, 2023 19:59:31 GMT
Can't see him staying,so why is he allowed his input on our next manager? Money. It’s going to take the board to sack him. It will take one more failed manager and potentially relegation before Peter Coates has to admit that his son can’t cut it as a CEO.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 11, 2023 20:06:36 GMT
And if that's all true then there we go. Upstairs is a bloody mess, so why expect the rest of the club to be any different. John needs to get the structure top down sorted so we can modernise and then move into the year 2024 as opposed to being stuck back in the 80s and 90s. What makes you think John Coates is capable of sorting it out? He’s presided over one of the biggest disasters in Stoke’s history. He’s Co-CEO of Bet365 but Denise Coates is responsible for its success. There’s no evidence John Coates has any managerial experience whatsoever. I'm working on the basis he can't be sacked. Which is fine but get someone in who can help him do what he can't. They can share an office. Might be fun and he will learn something.
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Post by kustokie on Dec 11, 2023 20:10:31 GMT
What makes you think John Coates is capable of sorting it out? He’s presided over one of the biggest disasters in Stoke’s history. He’s Co-CEO of Bet365 but Denise Coates is responsible for its success. There’s no evidence John Coates has any managerial experience whatsoever. I'm working on the basis he can't be sacked. Which is fine but get someone in who can help him do what he can't. They can share an office. Might be fun and he will learn something. That would require him to admit that he’s out of his depth. I don’t see that happening. In fact Ricky Martin was brought in to help him out.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 11, 2023 20:24:07 GMT
I'm working on the basis he can't be sacked. Which is fine but get someone in who can help him do what he can't. They can share an office. Might be fun and he will learn something. That would require him to admit that he’s out of his depth. I don’t see that happening. In fact Ricky Martin was brought in to help him out. Well Ricky is probably best sticking to singing la vida loco in that case cos he ain't helping at all 😆
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Post by Marc01 on Dec 11, 2023 21:05:31 GMT
Angela Smith earlier mentioned Michael O’Neil as a potential DoF.
Think I heard her say that he did everything at Stoke.
Interesting suggestion.
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Post by idle on Dec 11, 2023 21:12:44 GMT
Angela Smith earlier mentioned Michael O’Neil as a potential DoF. Think I heard her say that he did everything at Stoke. Interesting suggestion. I wouldn't be against that, but I don't think it'll happen. Would probably work well though.
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Post by Marc01 on Dec 11, 2023 21:18:23 GMT
Angela Smith earlier mentioned Michael O’Neil as a potential DoF. Think I heard her say that he did everything at Stoke. Interesting suggestion. I wouldn't be against that, but I don't think it'll happen. Would probably work well though. Yes, could well do. In which case, indicative of a lack of strategic planning that he isn’t already. Possibly a dig also at RM, noting that she recently left the club?
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Post by Gods on Dec 11, 2023 23:15:16 GMT
Angela Smith earlier mentioned Michael O’Neil as a potential DoF. Think I heard her say that he did everything at Stoke. Interesting suggestion. I do agree, MON has gravitas, which is what you want for a DoF.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 11, 2023 23:20:47 GMT
Angela Smith earlier mentioned Michael O’Neil as a potential DoF. Think I heard her say that he did everything at Stoke. Interesting suggestion. I agree with her 100%. He’s far better suited to a DOF role than the role he was doing here before. Experienced, articulate, and intelligent.
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Post by skip on Dec 11, 2023 23:45:29 GMT
Angela Smith earlier mentioned Michael O’Neil as a potential DoF. Think I heard her say that he did everything at Stoke. Interesting suggestion. When what MoN should only have been doing was ensuring the best eleven started every match. Ironically, as DoF he could be a useful asset. At least he probably knows JC is little more than a tolerated nepo baby.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 12, 2023 0:23:31 GMT
Angela Smith earlier mentioned Michael O’Neil as a potential DoF. Think I heard her say that he did everything at Stoke. Interesting suggestion. I agree with her 100%. He’s far better suited to a DOF role than the role he was doing here before. Experienced, articulate, and intelligent. But it might be hard for him not to meddle in coaching/football matters. I think it would work better if he wasn’t here before
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Post by kustokie on Dec 12, 2023 0:28:31 GMT
Angela Smith earlier mentioned Michael O’Neil as a potential DoF. Think I heard her say that he did everything at Stoke. Interesting suggestion. We are much worse now than under MON. I can’t see him touching us with a shitty stick. Anyway it would require the board to admit they made two mistakes in a row. Ricky Martin was with Neil when they were promoted (that’s all he’s ever done of any note - total fraud) I assume Martin was hired at Neil’s recommendation.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 12, 2023 0:29:54 GMT
I agree with her 100%. He’s far better suited to a DOF role than the role he was doing here before. Experienced, articulate, and intelligent. But it might be hard for him not to meddle in coaching/football matters. I think it would work better if he wasn’t here before Yes, but it’s easier leaving and then coming back rather than going straight upstairs. He’s definitely a more palatable alternative than the current corporate bullshitter.
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