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Post by nonameface on Apr 8, 2024 22:13:09 GMT
Not sure if it's been commented on yet, but during Walters video he gave the impression next season's squad would be smaller than it has been this year, so as to give a better pathway for promising youth players such as Lowe, Sidibe and Tezgel.
For me that's a great positive and will help managers manage the morale of the squad better as well as allowing us to develop youth.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Apr 8, 2024 22:20:42 GMT
If that interview was just in written text to read you’d think Tone was back…..talks about DNA, the people of Stoke, hard work and I particularly liked the reference to pushing people and sometimes it won’t be nice 😂 He’s making all the right noises…….goarrrrn Tony! He seems like he's buzzing to have got the job too. That can only be a positive, especially after that previous incumbent who seemed like he was doing a box ticking exercise. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 8, 2024 22:22:14 GMT
Not sure if it's been commented on yet, but during Walters video he gave the impression next season's squad would be smaller than it has been this year, so as to give a better pathway for promising youth players such as Lowe, Sidibe and Tezgel. For me that's a great positive and will help managers manage the morale of the squad better as well as allowing us to develop youth. It depends on how much smaller doesn’t it? One of Lowe or Tezgel on the bench makes sense. Sidibe probably needs a loan? Unless we have him on the bench and then actually use him. Which tbh I would have done this season over Laurent every day of the week. Do you trust Okagbue or Baker as your 4th choice CB and playing 0-10 games a season? Not sure I do. Okagbue has all the physical attributes to prove me wrong though. I really like Griffiths. Presses, bloody good footballer, disciplined, works etc. But again probably needs a loan. Simkin as 3rd choice keeper? Not sure what he’s learning there. 2nd choice though. I’d keep him here. It’s a difficult balance between developing them here and them actually getting the game time they need. And it doesn’t help that I think we’ve wasted time with the likes of Simkin, Lowe and Sidibe as it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2024 22:25:47 GMT
Easier to just be negative, so that if we don't piss the league next season, people can say that they were right, all along. Or just put your head in the sand and ignore the 7/8 years of total mismanagement. My head's not in the sand. I think that sometimes you have to look forward, not constantly harp on about what's gone before. You can't undo the past. Yes - the last 7 years have been shit. We're almost at the end of another crap season. Write it off, go again. If your glass is half-full, bringing in Walters, and trying to regenerate some of that DNA that made us great for a time, has got to be worth a try. Otherwise, go and look at the lists of PL & Championship DoFs that someone posted earlier & wank yourself daft at some of the ubersexy names on those lists. I'll wait. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2024 22:29:18 GMT
Whilst I welcome SJW into his new role what concerns me is JC commented he’d been very impressed, now where have I heard that before 🤔🤔🤔🤔 The thing is it's very easy to impress someone who's equally as clueless. I thought this was a thread about Walters being shite, not about John Coates? I've been waiting for 'more impressive suggestions than JW' for about 3 weeks, since he first came in and was a potential for the permanent role, and I asked for alternatives back then. Some people's internet broke at about the same time, I think. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 8, 2024 22:33:32 GMT
Or just put your head in the sand and ignore the 7/8 years of total mismanagement. My head's not in the sand. I think that sometimes you have to look forward, not constantly harp on about what's gone before. You can't undo the past. Yes - the last 7 years have been shit. We're almost at the end of another crap season. Write it off, go again. If your glass is half-full, bringing in Walters, and trying to regenerate some of that DNA that made us great for a time, has got to be worth a try. Otherwise, go and look at the lists of PL & Championship DoFs that someone posted earlier & wank yourself daft at some of the ubersexy names on those lists. I'll wait. And you do if there is something to look forward to. I don’t see that. I have no faith in the person making the decision and don’t think anything will change as long as that person is making the decisions. So it’s hard to be half full (that’s what she said or something 🤣) anyway….. I don’t buy the write it off and go again stuff wither. People have been saying that every time and it means nothing. And I actually think it’s an attitude that is actively helping us get worse. I have a begrudging admiration I guess that you can be so (imo) blase about it all. But I can’t I genuinely wish I didn’t give a fuck (not saying you don’t but that’s what it’d take for me). |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 8, 2024 22:34:39 GMT
The thing is it's very easy to impress someone who's equally as clueless. I thought this was a thread about Walters being shite, not about John Coates? I've been waiting for 'more impressive suggestions than JW' for about 3 weeks, since he first came in and was a potential for the permanent role, and I asked for alternatives back then. Some people's internet broke at about the same time, I think. I have no idea if he’s shite, I just think he’s a fucking expensive cheerleader 🤣🤣 |
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Post by vicarious on Apr 8, 2024 23:10:59 GMT
I haven’t made my mind up yet, I originally thought it was a distraction technique from JC but I’m not so sure he’s that clever, I’ll wait and see what transpires from this appointment, and I hope something changes finally.
What I’d like to know is, how the fuck you can draw opinion on the capability of someone to do a specific job, labelling someone a Tory, like it actually means something real, unless of cause he’s a politician, then off with his head. I couldn’t care less what throbbers people want to vote for, whatever side of the trough the pigs gorge from, that’s up to them, all that matters is can we align under him and start to build, after all the shite? I hope so.
Yours faithfully,
Splitter, The Peoples Front of Judea.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 8, 2024 23:14:39 GMT
Not sure if it's been commented on yet, but during Walters video he gave the impression next season's squad would be smaller than it has been this year, so as to give a better pathway for promising youth players such as Lowe, Sidibe and Tezgel. For me that's a great positive and will help managers manage the morale of the squad better as well as allowing us to develop youth. In addition to the possibility that they may give a couple of youngsters an opportunity to step up I’m hoping they go for quality over quantity to start with and possibly same again in January. They know contractually who will be here next season, they’re preferred core and where needs adding too to provide a balance. |
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Post by skip on Apr 8, 2024 23:44:51 GMT
I thought this was a thread about Walters being shite, not about John Coates? I've been waiting for 'more impressive suggestions than JW' for about 3 weeks, since he first came in and was a potential for the permanent role, and I asked for alternatives back then. Some people's internet broke at about the same time, I think. I have no idea if he’s shite, I just think he’s a fucking expensive cheerleader 🤣🤣 I don't suppose you're being completely genuine with that comment but its a little bit disrespectful to Walters, don't you think? I mean, do you know what his job description is, his responsibilities and agreed aims? |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 9, 2024 0:20:21 GMT
I thought this was a thread about Walters being shite, not about John Coates? I've been waiting for 'more impressive suggestions than JW' for about 3 weeks, since he first came in and was a potential for the permanent role, and I asked for alternatives back then. Some people's internet broke at about the same time, I think. I have no idea if he’s shite, I just think he’s a fucking expensive cheerleader 🤣🤣 Seems those who have actually worked with him in the short time wouldn't agree |
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 9, 2024 5:50:54 GMT
9 subs I can see one or two raised eyebrows when the team gets announced. There were a few weary legs at full time on Saturday to say the least. He will go with this: Iversen Hoever Rose McNally Stevens Thompson Burger Baker Leris Ennis Vidigal There’s a few toss ups there though. Is Thompson fit enough? If he is then it’s a coin toss between Baker and Laurent. But I thought Laurent look fucked. Ennis and Campbell too. Campbell did well when he came on but Ennis gives you legs. So think he will go with Ennis. Vidi or Bae - good opportunity to rest Bae and give a shot player who scored in the last game a go. Not sure he should be doing that but there’s a bit of logic there. And it’s not like he’s starting a complete blocker there. Again that team has balance and enough to nick a win away. I’d probably go with Campbell on the right myself as I think he’d run rings around Tymon. But Leris should destroy him in the air. I thought you just pick your best team irrespective of who’s tired or not 100%? Isn’t that what you said in relation to Burger? |
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Post by frasier37 on Apr 9, 2024 5:59:46 GMT
Good news for him and hopefully us longterm... Time will tell i suppose.
The bods around him seem happy so, that's a good sign.
Aatmosphere around the club is very important...hopefully he will soon prove his technical ability to quickly turn any lingering doubters so we can start seeing some success on the pitch at last.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2024 6:27:27 GMT
I have no idea if he’s shite, I just think he’s a fucking expensive cheerleader 🤣🤣 I don't suppose you're being completely genuine with that comment but its a little bit disrespectful to Walters, don't you think? I mean, do you know what his job description is, his responsibilities and agreed aims? It’s all he has been so far. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2024 6:28:08 GMT
He will go with this: Iversen Hoever Rose McNally Stevens Thompson Burger Baker Leris Ennis Vidigal There’s a few toss ups there though. Is Thompson fit enough? If he is then it’s a coin toss between Baker and Laurent. But I thought Laurent look fucked. Ennis and Campbell too. Campbell did well when he came on but Ennis gives you legs. So think he will go with Ennis. Vidi or Bae - good opportunity to rest Bae and give a shot player who scored in the last game a go. Not sure he should be doing that but there’s a bit of logic there. And it’s not like he’s starting a complete blocker there. Again that team has balance and enough to nick a win away. I’d probably go with Campbell on the right myself as I think he’d run rings around Tymon. But Leris should destroy him in the air. I thought you just pick your best team irrespective of who’s tired or not 100%? Isn’t that what you said in relation to Burger? “He’ll go with this” |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2024 6:29:53 GMT
I have no idea if he’s shite, I just think he’s a fucking expensive cheerleader 🤣🤣 Seems those who have actually worked with him in the short time wouldn't agree All imo can consider themselves lucky to still be at the club next season imo though. So that doesn’t mean anything to me. |
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Post by thisisouryear on Apr 9, 2024 6:36:22 GMT
I love Walters and he speaks very well but taking my rose tinted glasses off he's massively inexperienced. It may well work out but on paper this is another poor decision by Jon Coates. On the positive side nobody will work harder than Walters and he's always been an over achiever so it's not like there is no hope. I still think we should have gone for someone like MON who has been a manager and would be more equipped to deal with another manager/Coaches needs. Having someone like Walters to work with someone like MON would have been the best way in my opinion.
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 9, 2024 6:47:10 GMT
Maybe as Pete Smith possibly hunted at in an article, he might bring in an assistant/DOF to work alongside him. He did suggest he would be making appointments for the good of the club?.
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Post by nonameface on Apr 9, 2024 6:52:28 GMT
Not sure if it's been commented on yet, but during Walters video he gave the impression next season's squad would be smaller than it has been this year, so as to give a better pathway for promising youth players such as Lowe, Sidibe and Tezgel. For me that's a great positive and will help managers manage the morale of the squad better as well as allowing us to develop youth. It depends on how much smaller doesn’t it? One of Lowe or Tezgel on the bench makes sense. Sidibe probably needs a loan? Unless we have him on the bench and then actually use him. Which tbh I would have done this season over Laurent every day of the week. Do you trust Okagbue or Baker as your 4th choice CB and playing 0-10 games a season? Not sure I do. Okagbue has all the physical attributes to prove me wrong though. I really like Griffiths. Presses, bloody good footballer, disciplined, works etc. But again probably needs a loan. Simkin as 3rd choice keeper? Not sure what he’s learning there. 2nd choice though. I’d keep him here. It’s a difficult balance between developing them here and them actually getting the game time they need. And it doesn’t help that I think we’ve wasted time with the likes of Simkin, Lowe and Sidibe as it is. Yeah balance is always important, but think it's fair to say we've had too big of a squad ever since being relegated. At the start of the season Campbell, Wesley, Gayle, and Mmaee were ahead of Lowe and Tezgel. 6 forwards for 1 spot is crazy. Genuinely think if we have 2 main strikers + 2 development strikers pushing each other to get on the bench is a good thing. As you say, similar in midfield too, although Laurent for me is a quality midfielder at this level he just has his limitations with his short game. Ultimately Sidibe should have been on the bench for every game he wasn't starting. Baker and Okagbue could both be fighting for the 4th spot, they couldn't be any worse than Clark and if they were I'd be comfortable with it. Need to take risks on allowing youth to develop. GK think Simkin could go out on loan and have someone like Blondy as 3rd for a season, appreciate this would make us weaker short term. |
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Post by professorplump on Apr 9, 2024 6:59:03 GMT
I love Walters and he speaks very well but taking my rose tinted glasses off he's massively inexperienced. It may well work out but on paper this is another poor decision by Jon Coates. On the positive side nobody will work harder than Walters and he's always been an over achiever so it's not like there is no hope. I still think we should have gone for someone like MON who has been a manager and would be more equipped to deal with another manager/Coaches needs. Having someone like Walters to work with someone like MON would have been the best way in my opinion. Not many Technical/ Sporting Director / DOF's seem to be ex managers. Perhaps ex managers would be too keen in meddling in team affairs and the role requires to oversee things from a distance. I wouldn't have been against MON coming back but I think we need to give Walters a chance before declaring it to be a poor decision by Jon Coates. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2024 7:01:57 GMT
It depends on how much smaller doesn’t it? One of Lowe or Tezgel on the bench makes sense. Sidibe probably needs a loan? Unless we have him on the bench and then actually use him. Which tbh I would have done this season over Laurent every day of the week. Do you trust Okagbue or Baker as your 4th choice CB and playing 0-10 games a season? Not sure I do. Okagbue has all the physical attributes to prove me wrong though. I really like Griffiths. Presses, bloody good footballer, disciplined, works etc. But again probably needs a loan. Simkin as 3rd choice keeper? Not sure what he’s learning there. 2nd choice though. I’d keep him here. It’s a difficult balance between developing them here and them actually getting the game time they need. And it doesn’t help that I think we’ve wasted time with the likes of Simkin, Lowe and Sidibe as it is. Yeah balance is always important, but think it's fair to say we've had too big of a squad ever since being relegated. At the start of the season Campbell, Wesley, Gayle, and Mmaee were ahead of Lowe and Tezgel. 6 forwards for 1 spot is crazy. Genuinely think if we have 2 main strikers + 2 development strikers pushing each other to get on the bench is a good thing. As you say, similar in midfield too, although Laurent for me is a quality midfielder at this level he just has his limitations with his short game. Ultimately Sidibe should have been on the bench for every game he wasn't starting. Baker and Okagbue could both be fighting for the 4th spot, they couldn't be any worse than Clark and if they were I'd be comfortable with it. Need to take risks on allowing youth to develop. GK think Simkin could go out on loan and have someone like Blondy as 3rd for a season, appreciate this would make us weaker short term. We have but you can’t go too far the other way either especially with our injury record. I agree re the strikers and the pair of them (esp Tezgel) have the talent to actually make it at this level too. Which helps. I can’t abide Laurent. He’d be one of the first out for me. The epitome of why this team are like they are. Goes missing most of the season, has a loud mouth and can’t do much right on the pitch. Sidibe really impressed me when he played the few times he did for us. Tbh whenever I had watched him in the youth team in wasnt that impressed by him but he made the step up with ease I thought and played with a real maturity. It’s why I thought he should have been given more chances. I think he would grown a lot. Is having them as 4th choice helping them to develop though? I’m not sure. Blondy is awful. Simkin as number 2 I’d get tbh. He was totally assured on his debut, could still play u21s and will get cup games and the odd game in the league. I think that’d be good for him. Or a loan. Are any ready to be starters? Not quite yet. I think Simkin, Sidibe and Tezgel though are all certainly good enough to do well if called upon. |
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Post by professorplump on Apr 9, 2024 7:03:38 GMT
Did that happen at Ipswich too? I heard it did but can’t recall the details, or if it was even true. Yeah he went on strike there too under Roy Keane. Quite ironic a Tory boy from Merseyside going on strike isn't it. You seem to have a problem with Walters political views. Would a nice wholesome lefty like Gary Lineker have been more to your taste? |
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Post by 4372stokie on Apr 9, 2024 7:39:27 GMT
Matches your intelligent contributions on here over the years 🤣 I’ve had more of an insight on the shower of shit that is this club than most sadly. I bet you haven’t. Not as much as I have anyway 😉 |
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Post by bertiestan on Apr 9, 2024 7:41:56 GMT
Yeah he went on strike there too under Roy Keane. Quite ironic a Tory boy from Merseyside going on strike isn't it. You seem to have a problem with Walters political views. Would a nice wholesome lefty like Gary Lineker have been more to your taste? When politics appear on a football messageboard it’s time give your head a wobble 🔴⚪️ |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 9, 2024 7:41:59 GMT
If that interview was just in written text to read you’d think Tone was back…..talks about DNA, the people of Stoke, hard work and I particularly liked the reference to pushing people and sometimes it won’t be nice 😂 He’s making all the right noises…….goarrrrn Tony! He seems like he's buzzing to have got the job too. That can only be a positive, especially after that previous incumbent who seemed like he was doing a box ticking exercise. The previous incumbent was destroying the very fabric of the club to quote Bill Shankly “ id put him jail “ |
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 9, 2024 7:42:19 GMT
I thought you just pick your best team irrespective of who’s tired or not 100%? Isn’t that what you said in relation to Burger? “He’ll go with this” “Is Thompson fit enough? If he is then it’s a coin toss between Baker and Laurent. But I thought Laurent look fucked.” Burger looked fucked v Huddersfield but you wanted him started. Someone’s sounding a little hypocritical. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 9, 2024 7:43:42 GMT
You seem to have a problem with Walters political views. Would a nice wholesome lefty like Gary Lineker have been more to your taste? When politics appear on a football messageboard it’s time give your head a wobble 🔴⚪️ Especially when I posted Jon’s personal comments on the story and Mr Hackett fails to respond. Maybe he knows Jon’s political stance better than he does himself. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2024 8:05:44 GMT
“Is Thompson fit enough? If he is then it’s a coin toss between Baker and Laurent. But I thought Laurent look fucked.” Burger looked fucked v Huddersfield but you wanted him started. Someone’s sounding a little hypocritical. No, it’s not the team I’d play. For the past 8 years now, there’s I’d select and one I pick trying to think like the current manager….. Like I can see his logic with Leris, my view is that he’s the worst signing we’ve made and I’d be loathed to have him on the bench for any game. But I think he’ll start him…. |
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Post by mamathestriker on Apr 9, 2024 8:12:08 GMT
Club rush into a decision: Rubbish Stoke
Club take their time and make a decision based on seeing how things go: Rubbish Stoke
Club appoint someone external: Rubbish Stoke
Club appoint someone known to the club, qualified, who gets the club: Rubbish Stoke
They literally cannot win. I've complained this last few seasons about various things but it must be so tiring to be so negative about absolutely everything.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2024 8:14:08 GMT
Club rush into a decision: Rubbish Stoke Club take their time and make a decision based on seeing how things go: Rubbish Stoke Club appoint someone external: Rubbish Stoke Club appoint someone known to the club, qualified, who gets the club: Rubbish Stoke They literally cannot win. I've complained this last few seasons about various things but it must be so tiring to be so negative about absolutely everything. Well no we can’t. That’s the problem. And it’s not being negative is it? It’s just using the evidence we have to make a judgement. There is no evidence to suggest John Coates knows the first thing about running a football club. |
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