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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 24, 2024 20:08:22 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 24, 2024 20:18:55 GMT
No one knows if he’s telling the truth though, these lads may well have been on the wrong path. Just a poor choice of wording.
You hear a lot of black players (in particular but not exclusively so) saying they would have been in jail or that they were running drugs as a youngster if it wasn’t for football but when a white bloke says it he’s a raging racist.
It’s not the right thing to say but I bet the players involved have taken his personal apology in good faith.
Tin hat incoming
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 24, 2024 20:26:32 GMT
Can't see the family touching him with a barge pole now. So back to Walters being the only name we know of in the frame.
BBC Sport understands defender Aarons, now at Bournemouth, is angered, frustrated and saddened by the comments.
The Guardian understands the named “players and their families are outraged to say the least”.
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 24, 2024 20:51:59 GMT
Great, potentially a TD with little or no experience for the role at such a big club🤔
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 24, 2024 20:57:53 GMT
Great, potentially a TD with little or no experience for the role at such a big club🤔 They've got the next couple of months to find someone suitable. We don't even know what division we are going to be in anyway... |
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Post by cdf on Mar 24, 2024 21:02:40 GMT
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Post by silsdenstokie on Mar 24, 2024 21:26:41 GMT
Someone mentioned him previously. Vale fan by all accounts, not that that should stop us pursueing him |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 24, 2024 21:33:29 GMT
Can't see the family touching him with a barge pole now. So back to Walters being the only name we know of in the frame. BBC Sport understands defender Aarons, now at Bournemouth, is angered, frustrated and saddened by the comments. The Guardian understands the named “players and their families are outraged to say the least”. |
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Mar 25, 2024 5:35:27 GMT
No one knows if he’s telling the truth though, these lads may well have been on the wrong path. Just a poor choice of wording. You hear a lot of black players (in particular but not exclusively so) saying they would have been in jail or that they were running drugs as a youngster if it wasn’t for football but when a white bloke says it he’s a raging racist. It’s not the right thing to say but I bet the players involved have taken his personal apology in good faith. Tin hat incoming I think if he made the comments focussed on class instead of race he would have come out much more favourably |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2024 8:03:17 GMT
No one knows if he’s telling the truth though, these lads may well have been on the wrong path. Just a poor choice of wording. You hear a lot of black players (in particular but not exclusively so) saying they would have been in jail or that they were running drugs as a youngster if it wasn’t for football but when a white bloke says it he’s a raging racist. It’s not the right thing to say but I bet the players involved have taken his personal apology in good faith. Tin hat incoming I think you've misunderstood this. The issue is he's picked out a group of black players and said they'd be in jail if they weren't playing football. The suggestion being that black youths are inherently criminal. It's racist |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 25, 2024 8:06:10 GMT
It’s just racist.
No ifs, buts or maybes.
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Post by cdf on Mar 25, 2024 8:08:52 GMT
Someone mentioned him previously. Vale fan by all accounts, not that that should stop us pursueing him Did not know that he was a Vale fan. What's wrong with people these days. On a serious note, I like that he is building himself a career from the lower reaches. If he's not of interest to the power's that be here, it's going to be worth keeping an eye on what he does at Pompey in the Championship |
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Post by Gods on Mar 25, 2024 8:13:20 GMT
It's been a month since Martin was sacked hasn't it?. Should be close to appointing someone you would think?. I'm not sure, I think we'll wait for the summer recess won't we? We have SJW until the end of this term and we can't yet say if we are hiring someone for the Championship or League 1. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 25, 2024 8:17:07 GMT
It's been a month since Martin was sacked hasn't it?. Should be close to appointing someone you would think?. I'm not sure, I think we'll wait for the summer recess won't we? We have SJW until the end of this term and we can't yet say if we are hiring someone for the Championship or League 1. I’m not even sure why we have Walters. If we could get someone in charge by mid May and then assess from there. Their first decision being Schumacher. Sack him if we stay up, keep him if we go down. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2024 8:18:57 GMT
I'm not sure, I think we'll wait for the summer recess won't we? We have SJW until the end of this term and we can't yet say if we are hiring someone for the Championship or League 1. I’m not even sure why we have Walters. If we could get someone in charge by mid May and then assess from there. Their first decision being Schumacher. Sack him if we stay up, keep him if we go down. Presumably we need to prepare two plans now. One for the championship, one for league one? I'm sure he's coordinating that? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 25, 2024 8:23:47 GMT
I’m not even sure why we have Walters. If we could get someone in charge by mid May and then assess from there. Their first decision being Schumacher. Sack him if we stay up, keep him if we go down. Presumably we need to prepare two plans now. One for the championship, one for league one? I'm sure he's coordinating that? Why? Why would an interim be doing that? That’s a very scary thought. I was hoping he was just cheerleading and even that seems to be too much. |
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 25, 2024 8:36:38 GMT
There is so much preparation needed to be made I would think for both scenarios, on and off the pitch, to de drifting along relatively rudderless, with no specific clarity, does seem a bit negligent.. Something really needs to be sorted .
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Post by shakermaker on Mar 25, 2024 8:58:42 GMT
No one knows if he’s telling the truth though, these lads may well have been on the wrong path. Just a poor choice of wording. You hear a lot of black players (in particular but not exclusively so) saying they would have been in jail or that they were running drugs as a youngster if it wasn’t for football but when a white bloke says it he’s a raging racist. It’s not the right thing to say but I bet the players involved have taken his personal apology in good faith. Tin hat incoming I think you've misunderstood this. The issue is he's picked out a group of black players and said they'd be in jail if they weren't playing football. The suggestion being that black youths are inherently criminal. It's racist Sharing Badger’s tin hat here, but one aspect of the ‘racism’ is that the words have come from the lips of a white man. However, it’s well known many disaffected black youths from inner cities (especially London) fall into crime. White lads as well too, sure, but perhaps not on the same scale and I’m sure there are stats somewhere of the number of black youths from lower socio-economic backgrounds who get into trouble. |
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Post by stoke1989 on Mar 25, 2024 9:14:10 GMT
I think you've misunderstood this. The issue is he's picked out a group of black players and said they'd be in jail if they weren't playing football. The suggestion being that black youths are inherently criminal. It's racist Sharing Badger’s tin hat here, but one aspect of the ‘racism’ is that the words have come from the lips of a white man. However, it’s well known many disaffected black youths from inner cities (especially London) fall into crime. White lads as well too, sure, but perhaps not on the same scale and I’m sure there are stats somewhere of the number of black youths from lower socio-economic backgrounds who get into trouble. Got to agree if the comments came from a black person, nothing would be said. Regardless, this was always going be the backlash and he should have zipped it. |
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Post by lordb on Mar 25, 2024 9:24:46 GMT
Presumably we need to prepare two plans now. One for the championship, one for league one? I'm sure he's coordinating that? Why? Why would an interim be doing that? That’s a very scary thought. I was hoping he was just cheerleading and even that seems to be too much. The alternative is no one does it If it's not going to be SJW then the fact they are waiting till the summer suggests they want someone who is in place at another club The good news is that points away from Webber |
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Post by lordb on Mar 25, 2024 9:28:04 GMT
Presumably we need to prepare two plans now. One for the championship, one for league one? I'm sure he's coordinating that? Why? Why would an interim be doing that? That’s a very scary thought. I was hoping he was just cheerleading and even that seems to be too much. The alternative is no one does it If it's not going to be SJW then the fact they are waiting till the summer suggests they want someone who is in place at another club The good news is that points away from Webber |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2024 9:34:49 GMT
Why? Why would an interim be doing that? That’s a very scary thought. I was hoping he was just cheerleading and even that seems to be too much. The alternative is no one does it If it's not going to be SJW then the fact they are waiting till the summer suggests they want someone who is in place at another club The good news is that points away from Webber I don't think it points to anything with this club. |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Mar 25, 2024 9:39:24 GMT
I think you've misunderstood this. The issue is he's picked out a group of black players and said they'd be in jail if they weren't playing football. The suggestion being that black youths are inherently criminal. It's racist Sharing Badger’s tin hat here, but one aspect of the ‘racism’ is that the words have come from the lips of a white man. However, it’s well known many disaffected black youths from inner cities (especially London) fall into crime. White lads as well too, sure, but perhaps not on the same scale and I’m sure there are stats somewhere of the number of black youths from lower socio-economic backgrounds who get into trouble. With the positions he's worked in, it's very clumsy and shows a lack of social awareness at the very least. Given the comments he made about Norwich's womens team a while ago, I struggle to give him the benefit of the doubt. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 25, 2024 10:24:17 GMT
Why? Why would an interim be doing that? That’s a very scary thought. I was hoping he was just cheerleading and even that seems to be too much. The alternative is no one does it If it's not going to be SJW then the fact they are waiting till the summer suggests they want someone who is in place at another club The good news is that points away from Webber Which is better imo. What’s the point in starting something that a new bloke may come in and think is absolute shite. It’s the same old mess and no lessons learned. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 25, 2024 13:17:53 GMT
There is so much preparation needed to be made I would think for both scenarios, on and off the pitch, to de drifting along relatively rudderless, with no specific clarity, does seem a bit negligent.. Something really needs to be sorted . Lots of things will be going on behind the scenes, they’re not just sitting twiddling thumbs. 1. SJW’s performance will be monitored closely and evaluated. 2. Private advice and conversations may well be ongoing re potential targets. 3. Pre-season training camps/games etc will probably be in the advanced planning Stages 4. Discussions may have already started with players (or their agents) out of contract this summer i.e. Thompson 5. Recruitment planning will be ongoing with relevant parties. That’s only the 1st team squad. Additionally;1. There will be ongoing discussions about academy players, being upgraded or moved on. 2. New entrants to the academy for 24/25 to be sorted 3. The progress or lack of progress of the women’s team will discussed, probably involving SJW The above are “off the top of the head” comments. I’m probably just scratching the surface!! |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 25, 2024 13:56:02 GMT
I think you've misunderstood this. The issue is he's picked out a group of black players and said they'd be in jail if they weren't playing football. The suggestion being that black youths are inherently criminal. It's racist Sharing Badger’s tin hat here, but one aspect of the ‘racism’ is that the words have come from the lips of a white man. However, it’s well known many disaffected black youths from inner cities (especially London) fall into crime. White lads as well too, sure, but perhaps not on the same scale and I’m sure there are stats somewhere of the number of black youths from lower socio-economic backgrounds who get into trouble. Oi, get ya own tin hat! The points you make are what I’m getting at really. His comments are in poor taste and he seems to make a habit of it. But I do think the outrage is a bit over the top. He’s apologised to the individuals and that should be the end of it. |
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Post by shakermaker on Mar 25, 2024 15:18:13 GMT
Sharing Badger’s tin hat here, but one aspect of the ‘racism’ is that the words have come from the lips of a white man. However, it’s well known many disaffected black youths from inner cities (especially London) fall into crime. White lads as well too, sure, but perhaps not on the same scale and I’m sure there are stats somewhere of the number of black youths from lower socio-economic backgrounds who get into trouble. Oi, get ya own tin hat! The points you make are what I’m getting at really. His comments are in poor taste and he seems to make a habit of it. But I do think the outrage is a bit over the top. He’s apologised to the individuals and that should be the end of it. In poor taste for sure. But is what Webber said actually an untruth? He mentioned those players' names for a reason. He knew them all well and their backgrounds, and he would have known they came from troubled backgrounds where if not for football, wayward peers would have led them astray. Certainly I'm sure I've read that Sterling came from quite a rough upbringing and neighbourhood. The fact it's pretty much an unsaid fact that trouble is a magnet for a high proportion of black youths is something that Kick It Out et al want to sweep under the carpet. Perhaps that's so they can address it properly without all the media exposure, but because Webber has lifted the veil they're over the top in attacking him in order to keep the facts out of the spotlight. I'm gonna need a bigger tin hat. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 25, 2024 15:23:22 GMT
Oi, get ya own tin hat! The points you make are what I’m getting at really. His comments are in poor taste and he seems to make a habit of it. But I do think the outrage is a bit over the top. He’s apologised to the individuals and that should be the end of it. In poor taste for sure. But is what Webber said actually an untruth? He mentioned those players' names for a reason. He knew them all well and their backgrounds, and he would have known they came from troubled backgrounds where if not for football, wayward peers would have led them astray. Certainly I'm sure I've read that Sterling came from quite a rough upbringing and neighbourhood. The fact it's pretty much an unsaid fact that trouble is a magnet for a high proportion of black youths is something that Kick It Out et al want to sweep under the carpet. Perhaps that's so they can address it properly without all the media exposure, but because Webber has lifted the veil they're over the top in attacking him in order to keep the facts out of the spotlight. I'm gonna need a bigger tin hat. Spot on |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 25, 2024 16:53:15 GMT
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Post by silsdenstokie on Mar 25, 2024 17:05:44 GMT
I'm not sure, I think we'll wait for the summer recess won't we? We have SJW until the end of this term and we can't yet say if we are hiring someone for the Championship or League 1. I’m not even sure why we have Walters. If we could get someone in charge by mid May and then assess from there. Their first decision being Schumacher. Sack him if we stay up, keep him if we go down. Unless we have an absolutely shocking run of results to end the season, a la Neil last year, I think Id keep him either way |
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