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Post by milton58 on Feb 27, 2024 13:58:27 GMT
What was SJW doing before he came in to this role? probably on a sunbed |
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 27, 2024 13:59:25 GMT
Very worried about this. Love SJW, backed him al the way through his time at Stoke but this is such a different role. If it’s to meet potential signings and check they’ve got the right attitude I’m ok. Setting scouting strategy and validating data would be more of a concern unless he’s gained some severe skills while he’s been away. I’d actually take a Bet365 employee/board member over a former player for this role. I read that he has done a degree in sports directorship or something where he has gone into several clubs to see how they work and had practical experience. I am sure he is well qualified to take on the role and he seems like the sort of bloke who can inspire others and help create cameraderie. To do a degree he has to be an intelligent man and it is refreshing to see an ex player going down that route rather than punditry. I think the article concluded that perhaps the 'interim' title was inserted by Jon himself just wanting to help the club out. I can't honestly think of abetter bloke until the end of the season. He seems to be a similar Scouse character to Schumacher so I can imagine they could work together on problems. I would love this to work out. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 27, 2024 14:00:56 GMT
What was SJW doing before he came in to this role? probably on a sunbed As I've said in another post, working hard to get relevant experience and qualifications for this sort of role including a degree and coaching badges I believe. |
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Post by Gods on Feb 27, 2024 14:03:51 GMT
As I've said in another post, working hard to get relevant experience and qualifications for this sort of role including a degree and coaching badges I believe. Was he? At one point I thought he was heading for a career in the media but that seemed to go quiet. If he really has these qualifications and if somehow he is part of the solution which keeps us up then perhaps he is a serious contender for the permanent post. |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 27, 2024 14:09:14 GMT
As I've said in another post, working hard to get relevant experience and qualifications for this sort of role including a degree and coaching badges I believe. Was he? At one point I thought he was heading for a career in the media but that seemed to go quiet. If he really has these qualifications and if somehow he is part of the solution which keeps us up then perhaps he is a serious contender for the permanent post. |
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Post by stiggerstackle on Feb 27, 2024 14:31:58 GMT
Very worried about this. Love SJW, backed him al the way through his time at Stoke but this is such a different role. If it’s to meet potential signings and check they’ve got the right attitude I’m ok. Setting scouting strategy and validating data would be more of a concern unless he’s gained some severe skills while he’s been away. I’d actually take a Bet365 employee/board member over a former player for this role. I read that he has done a degree in sports directorship or something where he has gone into several clubs to see how they work and had practical experience. I am sure he is well qualified to take on the role and he seems like the sort of bloke who can inspire others and help create cameraderie. To do a degree he has to be an intelligent man and it is refreshing to see an ex player going down that route rather than punditry. I think the article concluded that perhaps the 'interim' title was inserted by Jon himself just wanting to help the club out. I can't honestly think of abetter bloke until the end of the season. He seems to be a similar Scouse character to Schumacher so I can imagine they could work together on problems. I would love this to work out. Yeah I'm sure I've read that he applied for, and came a very close second to becoming the Chief Exec of the PFA. The guy clearly wants to work in that side of the game, has got off his arse, studied, qualified and done the requisite 'work experience' at a number of clubs all off his own back. As you say, he could easily have gone down the punditry route, so hats off to him for me, I don't understand why he's being dismissed as just some ex-pro with nothing to offer by so many. |
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Post by riproaringagain on Feb 27, 2024 14:43:24 GMT
If SJW attitude and application is 80% of what his training and playing was he will be 100 times better than this lot now
Good Luck fella
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 27, 2024 15:24:08 GMT
What was SJW doing before he came in to this role? probably on a sunbed Why make such an unqualified derogatory comment? It really does demonstrate a level of low immaturity at best. Worse still someone liked your comment which says a lot about some people who post on this site |
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Post by femark on Feb 27, 2024 15:30:59 GMT
I read that he has done a degree in sports directorship or something where he has gone into several clubs to see how they work and had practical experience. I am sure he is well qualified to take on the role and he seems like the sort of bloke who can inspire others and help create cameraderie. To do a degree he has to be an intelligent man and it is refreshing to see an ex player going down that route rather than punditry. I think the article concluded that perhaps the 'interim' title was inserted by Jon himself just wanting to help the club out. I can't honestly think of abetter bloke until the end of the season. He seems to be a similar Scouse character to Schumacher so I can imagine they could work together on problems. I would love this to work out. Yeah I'm sure I've read that he applied for, and came a very close second to becoming the Chief Exec of the PFA. The guy clearly wants to work in that side of the game, has got off his arse, studied, qualified and done the requisite 'work experience' at a number of clubs all off his own back. As you say, he could easily have gone down the punditry route, so hats off to him for me, I don't understand why he's being dismissed as just some ex-pro with nothing to offer by so many. Whilst still playing he was a PFA Club Delegate and Management Committee Board Member. He's worked with Stoke as a Professional Development Phase Coach, then worked for Ireland as U19s Assitant Head Coach and Senior Mens Team Scout. He also spent 6 months as Technical Director for Fleetwood and Waterford, has worked as a consultant for the Premier League and is on the Board of Trustees at The Players Foundation. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 27, 2024 15:34:30 GMT
Why make such an unqualified derogatory comment? It really does demonstrate a level of low immaturity at best. Worse still someone liked your comment which says a lot about some people who post on this site Have I missed something? Cracking a joke about someone liking sunbeds or liking a tan is derogatory? |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 27, 2024 15:46:53 GMT
The reality is if the club wants a Technical Director with hands on responsibility for footballing matters the role of the Head Coach by definition is weaker. That is a feature of that model - if that is what Walters has been given as a job description he has to assert his authority and the Head Coach has to buy into it or leave. You can argue that you prefer the Head Coach to be more like an old school manager but you can't blame Walters for doing his job. If you don't like that model blame John Coates because he'd the one who defined the job. If Schumacher feels undermined by what Walters is doing and Walters is doing what it says in his job description then Schumacher should go. You can't have the Head Coach questioning or undermining the Technical Director. I like the modern structure and have actively called for it, but there is far too much evidence that we are operating a mumbo jumbo version of it where the manager still has his fingerprints all over certain parts of the process. The last two 'head coaches' still clearly have too much say in recruitment. They still have too much say in who is in the coaching staff and sport science department. The last one even picked his own DOF. A proper structure/model has club staff in all positions except the head coach and a maximum of two support staff for the incoming coach, hence reducing cost and upheaval when a change of coach is made. Add into the mix now a temporary placeholder in the DOF role creating meetings with staff. So no I don't have an issue with the model. I have an issue with how we have and continue to operate it. Well I agree with all of that except your objection to Walters "creating meetings with staff". You can't have it both ways - if you accept that the Technical Director is in overall control of footballing matters then they absolutely have the right to "create meetings with staff". They should let the Head Coach know but that is a perfectly legitimate for him to do it and the Head Coach has no right to be disgruntled by it. I agree it's weird having an interim Technical Director but that does not mean Walters hasn't the right to do what's in his job description. |
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Post by stiggerstackle on Feb 27, 2024 15:48:07 GMT
Why make such an unqualified derogatory comment? It really does demonstrate a level of low immaturity at best. Worse still someone liked your comment which says a lot about some people who post on this site Have I missed something? Cracking a joke about someone liking sunbeds or liking a tan is derogatory? It might be construed as racist given his heritage.  |
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Post by moon on Feb 27, 2024 16:12:20 GMT
Why make such an unqualified derogatory comment? It really does demonstrate a level of low immaturity at best. Worse still someone liked your comment which says a lot about some people who post on this site Have I missed something? Cracking a joke about someone liking sunbeds or liking a tan is derogatory? I hope he goes in there with his clippers, shaves all their heads and gets them all under sunbeds as a sign of team unity. Give them the Walters look of old until this season is done. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 27, 2024 16:18:48 GMT
Why make such an unqualified derogatory comment? It really does demonstrate a level of low immaturity at best. Worse still someone liked your comment which says a lot about some people who post on this site Have I missed something? Cracking a joke about someone liking sunbeds or liking a tan is derogatory? Apologies. I was under the impression it was a serious thread as per our current situation. I’ll try harder |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 27, 2024 16:18:59 GMT
Have I missed something? Cracking a joke about someone liking sunbeds or liking a tan is derogatory? I hope he goes in there with his clippers, shaves all their heads and gets them all under sunbeds as a sign of team unity. Give them the Walters look of old until this season is done. Not sure about shaving their heads and sunbed sessions 😆 But they need to create some unity somehow. I'm just praying that between the 2 scousers they can get these boys focused so they come out like caged tigers for these last 12 Cup finals. Everything has to be left on the pitch in this final run in. Get it done and let the rebuild begin in the summer 🙏 |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 27, 2024 16:22:05 GMT
Have I missed something? Cracking a joke about someone liking sunbeds or liking a tan is derogatory? Apologies. I was under the impression it was a serious thread as per our current situation. I’ll try harder Fair enough. To be fair Owde I need a bit of humour to get through this rather depressing period. Lets hope we can rise from the gathering ashes and stay in the championship 🙏 |
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 27, 2024 16:27:51 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-technical-director-walters-9128420O'Neill lined up Lee Dykes to become Stoke's head of recruitment but the club ultimately brought in Alex Aldridge, from Millwall. Dykes has since been in charge of recruitment at Brentford, where he is now technical director in his own right. Aldridge was given the green light to return to MIllwall as director of football operations in March 2022. Interesting MON wanted Dykes from Brentford, who seems really highly-rated now, and was linked with the Spurs role last year. But we ended up with the not-much-missed bloke from Millwall instead.
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Feb 27, 2024 16:36:16 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-technical-director-walters-9128420O'Neill lined up Lee Dykes to become Stoke's head of recruitment but the club ultimately brought in Alex Aldridge, from Millwall. Dykes has since been in charge of recruitment at Brentford, where he is now technical director in his own right. Aldridge was given the green light to return to MIllwall as director of football operations in March 2022. Interesting MON wanted Dykes from Brentford, who seems really highly-rated now, and was linked with the Spurs role last year. But we ended up with the not-much-missed bloke from Millwall instead. Yet more proof of the club being pig headed |
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 27, 2024 16:40:43 GMT
This appointment and the subsequent structure around it, has to be absolutely spot on..Even more important than the manager position i would say.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 27, 2024 17:14:05 GMT
Why make such an unqualified derogatory comment? It really does demonstrate a level of low immaturity at best. Worse still someone liked your comment which says a lot about some people who post on this site Have I missed something? Cracking a joke about someone liking sunbeds or liking a tan is derogatory? It does imply that he has done nothing but laze about since retiring as a player when in fact the polar opposite is true. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2024 17:19:17 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-technical-director-walters-9128420O'Neill lined up Lee Dykes to become Stoke's head of recruitment but the club ultimately brought in Alex Aldridge, from Millwall. Dykes has since been in charge of recruitment at Brentford, where he is now technical director in his own right. Aldridge was given the green light to return to MIllwall as director of football operations in March 2022. Interesting MON wanted Dykes from Brentford, who seems really highly-rated now, and was linked with the Spurs role last year. But we ended up with the not-much-missed bloke from Millwall instead. Interesting. At the time we were very manager driven, so it seems odd that we wouldn't let MON have his own way with his choice of DOF yet bent over backwards for Alex Neil and Ricky Martin. Maybe one fed the other? Who knows. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 27, 2024 17:43:38 GMT
I never knew Mama Sidibe was part of Dublin's team, you learn something every day......
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Post by wonderwall on Feb 27, 2024 17:46:43 GMT
I never knew Mama Sidibe was part of Dublin's team, you learn something every day...... This club is beyond laughable. It’s comedy gold… if you were not a fan. |
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Post by jokker on Feb 27, 2024 17:48:47 GMT
I don't think SJW would start by saying he's 'new here'. Part of his justification for being in the job is that he's got the Stoke dna which all the new players are lacking. He might even tell the players about how Pulis was able to get a bunch of near nobodies to function as a team where everybody played for each other and the team became the star. He was part of that and knows (hopefully) how to be transmitting that spirit to them. Just don't ask them to play Pulisball, thank you. A good post…….until the last line (a style they couldn’t play anyway) but Puliball as you call it was successful. It might have been (for us but not his other teams), even though it was dreadful to watch...but it would make matters even worse if players already struggling with coming to grips of inverted fullbacks while still retaining some of Neil's system (whatever it was) in their subconciousness, were to adapt to yet another idiosyncratic style and all within the last few weeks of the season. Because while it might have looked minimalistic, it did require a fair bit of everybody on the same page, also there would be no need for Bae and Burger to turn up on matchdays as the ball would be played over their heads all the time... |
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Feb 27, 2024 17:49:33 GMT
I never knew Mama Sidibe was part of Dublin's team, you learn something every day...... This club is beyond laughable. It’s comedy gold… if you were not a fan. What's laughable about that? He's been working with the club long before Dublin appeared |
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Post by wonderwall on Feb 27, 2024 17:56:00 GMT
This club is beyond laughable. It’s comedy gold… if you were not a fan. What's laughable about that? He's been working with the club long before Dublin appeared “Hugh summer clearout” We just had one. |
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Feb 27, 2024 17:57:00 GMT
What's laughable about that? He's been working with the club long before Dublin appeared “Hugh summer clearout” We just had one. It means huge as in important. Not numbers. It says that in the article. 14 are out of contract so the clearout will mean mostly those. Schumacher in the article itself says it won't be a huge turnaround numbers wise |
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Post by jokker on Feb 27, 2024 18:03:14 GMT
I don't think SJW would start by saying he's 'new here'. Part of his justification for being in the job is that he's got the Stoke dna which all the new players are lacking. He might even tell the players about how Pulis was able to get a bunch of near nobodies to function as a team where everybody played for each other and the team became the star. He was part of that and knows (hopefully) how to be transmitting that spirit to them. Just don't ask them to play Pulisball, thank you. Probably should have said new to this position but you are right I'm sure he was keen to tell them how a bunch of misfits had managed to upset Arsene Wenger and co in the Premier, get to a cup final and how loud the ground had been so that instead of dreading playing at home the team had been lifted by the fans and playing in front of them had been one of the best experiences he'd had. If it had been me I would have started by playing a long clip of the crowd from those days, shown the a video of Arsene Wenger at the ground and was it Gomez? the Spurs gk crying. I agree about Wenger, but showing Gomez would be stretching it, turning it into a joke. He was upset because he couldn't handle Delap's throws and was made to look like an amateur keeper. Now in what way would the current team do something similar? They can't even find a team mate with their throws... |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 27, 2024 18:09:26 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-technical-director-walters-9128420O'Neill lined up Lee Dykes to become Stoke's head of recruitment but the club ultimately brought in Alex Aldridge, from Millwall. Dykes has since been in charge of recruitment at Brentford, where he is now technical director in his own right. Aldridge was given the green light to return to MIllwall as director of football operations in March 2022. Interesting MON wanted Dykes from Brentford, who seems really highly-rated now, and was linked with the Spurs role last year. But we ended up with the not-much-missed bloke from Millwall instead. Interesting. At the time we were very manager driven, so it seems odd that we wouldn't let MON have his own way with his choice of DOF yet bent over backwards for Alex Neil and Ricky Martin. Maybe one fed the other? Who knows. Interesting indeed. What is odd is that the Manager/Head Coach at various points seems to have had a big say in the appointment of the DoF/Technical Director (which seems the wrong way round to me) and at other times very little (which to me sounds right). It feels like people were just making it up as they went along rather than stepping back, defining a model, making a plan and implementing the agreed model. Sounds chaotic to me. So situation normal. |
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Post by etebojan on Feb 27, 2024 18:16:38 GMT
what a quote...
Martin added himself: "I'm really like a facilitator, facilitating all those heads of departments. I don't want the manager focusing on what needs to be planned for pre-season. I'm really pleased to add the women's team to my remit as well.
"I zoom into each department and try to support them and give them the backing I require. This week (in March 2023) I'm doing a lot of work on process and procedures for the medical department and pre-season, testing in the first few days and what software we'll use. That takes a lot of calls, meetings and planning."
He does sound like prime David Brent/Alan Partridge
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