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Post by numpty40 on Sept 6, 2023 18:30:19 GMT
What is the best formation with the players we have got? It looked like Neil was going 5-3-2 but then sold Tymon. 4-3-3 looks like his preferred set up but not sure what his best midfield 3 is in that formation. From the players I've seen so far a 4-1-3-2 looks best, Pearson the deep midfield with Burger central, Johnson on the left and Bae on the right. A back 4 of Gooch, McNally, Wilmot and Stevens. Front two of Wesley and Vidigal. Not seen Junior, Jojic or the Celtic loanee so opinion base on what I've seen so far.
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 6, 2023 18:40:14 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 6, 2023 18:47:41 GMT
To me it’s 4-1-2-3
Travers
Hoever McNally Wilmot Stevens
Burger
Johnson Bae
Campbell Mmaee Vidigal
Or slight variations on personnel
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Post by st3mark on Sept 6, 2023 18:50:25 GMT
4-2-3-1
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Post by campbellsleftpeg on Sept 6, 2023 19:06:11 GMT
4 2 3 1
Travers
Tch Wilmot Mcnally Stevens
Burger Pearson/laurent
Campbell Bae Vidigal
Mmae
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Post by Veritas on Sept 6, 2023 19:19:05 GMT
4 2 3 1 Travers Tch Wilmot Mcnally Stevens Burger Pearson/laurent Campbell Bae Vidigal Mmae After our summer signings any proposed starting XI that includes Campbell is ridiculous. Equally as I assume very few of us have seen Junior play putting him in the XI is merely wishful thinking.
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 6, 2023 19:20:57 GMT
Hoever McNally Wilmot Rose Junior
Burger Pearson
DJ
Mmaee Vidigal
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 6, 2023 19:24:03 GMT
Anyone who thinks 5 at the back is the way forward really needs to give their heads a wobble.
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 6, 2023 19:29:52 GMT
Anyone who thinks 5 at the back is the way forward really needs to give their heads a wobble. It's all about opinions matey. At the moment whilst we have got an influx of new players I think we should try keep solid. Watford was OK wasn't it. We looked reasonably compact. Perhaps looking at introducing Bae for DJ for certain games. I'd keep wes on the bench for last ten minute onslaughts cuz he's a waste of space for 90 mins.
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Post by cvillestokie on Sept 6, 2023 19:31:48 GMT
4231. Has been for years.
None of our midfield are getting close to our solo striker in the current version of the 3 man midfield that we have.
We need to play using an attacking midfielder. Bae should be that player.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 6, 2023 19:32:11 GMT
Anyone who thinks 5 at the back is the way forward really needs to give their heads a wobble. It has been proven to work with the right personnel and tactics. It’s very much back in vogue
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 6, 2023 19:33:35 GMT
4231. Has been for years. None of our midfield are getting close to our solo striker in the current version of the 3 man midfield that we have. We need to play using an attacking midfielder. Bae should be that player. Will be interesting to see if his cameo is enough next game. I unfortunately missed the game but heard good stuff about him
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Post by cvillestokie on Sept 6, 2023 19:36:00 GMT
4231. Has been for years. None of our midfield are getting close to our solo striker in the current version of the 3 man midfield that we have. We need to play using an attacking midfielder. Bae should be that player. Will be interesting to see if his cameo is enough next game. I unfortunately missed the game but heard good stuff about him I think that he looks technically exceptional. Considering he’d arrived only a few days prior, there is no way he wasn’t playing with severe jet lag as well. I’m sure it will take time for it to click for him but I’d want him playing as a 10 rather than as the more advanced box to box in a 433. Excited about the lad to be honest.
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Post by Veritas on Sept 6, 2023 19:40:43 GMT
Anyone who thinks 5 at the back is the way forward really needs to give their heads a wobble. It has been proven to work with the right personnel and tactics. It’s very much back in vogue Quite right anyone who automatically rules out any formation is stupid. Even Nathan's diamond has been successful. Take a look at the England 66 formation, Stiles and Bobby Charlton are nothing if not the top and bottom of a midfield diamond.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 6, 2023 19:42:20 GMT
4231/433
Travers
Gooch/Junior McNally Wilmot Stevens
Burger Pearson
Campbell Bae Vidigal
Mmaee
I wouldn’t play a player we don’t own and isn’t a significant improvement on those we do own over ones we do own.
Hence the right back pick.
Toss up for up front.
The rest picks itself imo.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 6, 2023 19:43:05 GMT
Anyone who thinks 5 at the back is the way forward really needs to give their heads a wobble. It has been proven to work with the right personnel and tactics. It’s very much back in vogue Ahh so we sign a shit load of wide forwards yet we play 5 at the back, sorry I'm puzzled.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 6, 2023 19:43:58 GMT
It has been proven to work with the right personnel and tactics. It’s very much back in vogue Quite right anyone who automatically rules out any formation is stupid. Even Nathan's diamond has been successful. Take a look at the England 66 formation, Stiles and Bobby Charlton are nothing if not the top and bottom of a midfield diamond. It’s not stupid. Playing a back 3 over these last 7 years has been one instrumental part in our demise. We don’t have the players for it. We don’t have a CB for the bench if we play it. We don’t have a left wing back. We have a fuck ton of wingers. It’s a stupid idea.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 6, 2023 19:45:17 GMT
It has been proven to work with the right personnel and tactics. It’s very much back in vogue Ahh so we sign a shit load load of wide forwards yet we play 5 at the back, sorry I'm puzzled. That’s the managers job not mine or yours. He’s already played 5 at the back despite a bin full of wide players
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 6, 2023 19:46:05 GMT
Quite right anyone who automatically rules out any formation is stupid. Even Nathan's diamond has been successful. Take a look at the England 66 formation, Stiles and Bobby Charlton are nothing if not the top and bottom of a midfield diamond. It’s not stupid. Playing a back 3 over these last 7 years has been one instrumental part in our demise. We don’t have the players for it. We don’t have a CB for the bench if we play it. We don’t have a left wing back. We have a fuck ton of wingers. It’s a stupid idea. We are talking generally here. 5 at the back can work very well with the right players. Having said that I don’t think it’s for us as I’ve been saying for at least two years
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Post by Veritas on Sept 6, 2023 19:47:15 GMT
Quite right anyone who automatically rules out any formation is stupid. Even Nathan's diamond has been successful. Take a look at the England 66 formation, Stiles and Bobby Charlton are nothing if not the top and bottom of a midfield diamond. It’s not stupid. Playing a back 3 over these last 7 years has been one instrumental part in our demise. We don’t have the players for it. We don’t have a CB for the bench if we play it. We don’t have a left wing back. We have a fuck ton of wingers. It’s a stupid idea. No one is saying we should play it if we haven't got the right personnel, the post I replied to said it has been successful with the right personnel. It helps if you read before posting a knee jerk response.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 6, 2023 19:48:02 GMT
Ahh so we sign a shit load load of wide forwards yet we play 5 at the back, sorry I'm puzzled. That’s the managers job not mine or yours. He’s already played 5 at the back despite a bin full of wide players Yes it is the managers job, it's also the managers job to recruit for it which he hasn't.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 6, 2023 19:50:30 GMT
That’s the managers job not mine or yours. He’s already played 5 at the back despite a bin full of wide players Yes it is the managers job, it's also the managers job to recruit for it which he hasn't. So why is he playing it?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 6, 2023 19:54:02 GMT
Yes it is the managers job, it's also the managers job to recruit for it which he hasn't. So why is he playing it? He isn't playing it now and if he did he'd be an idiot. We've tried it for the last 5 years and its brought us no success whatsoever so I fail to see why we should do it all again especially without recruiting for it.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 6, 2023 19:57:15 GMT
He isn't playing it now and if he did he'd be an idiot. We've tried it for the last 5 years and its brought us no success whatsoever so I fail to see why we should do it all again especially without recruiting for it. Absolutely. So in the next few weeks when he inevitably plays 5 at the back because he’s shit himself about the opposition again but we win the game. How are you looking at that?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 6, 2023 19:59:28 GMT
He isn't playing it now and if he did he'd be an idiot. We've tried it for the last 5 years and its brought us no success whatsoever so I fail to see why we should do it all again especially without recruiting for it. Absolutely. So in the next few weeks when he inevitably plays 5 at the back because he’s shit himself about the opposition again but we win the game. How are you looking at that? I'd be looking to sack the manager for incompetence. EDIT: I missed the winning the game bit. If he really has to play 5 at the back to win a game in this league with the players he's bought then he really does need to go.
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 6, 2023 20:09:06 GMT
Absolutely. So in the next few weeks when he inevitably plays 5 at the back because he’s shit himself about the opposition again but we win the game. How are you looking at that? I'd be looking to sack the manager for incompetence. EDIT: I missed the winning the game bit. If he really has to play 5 at the back to win a game in this league with the players he's bought then he really does need to go. 😁
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 6, 2023 20:13:08 GMT
I'd be looking to sack the manager for incompetence. EDIT: I missed the winning the game bit. If he really has to play 5 at the back to win a game in this league with the players he's bought then he really does need to go. 😁 If you want to watch that mind numbing shit be my guest.
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 6, 2023 20:52:49 GMT
To me it’s 4-1-2-3 Travers Hoever McNally Wilmot Stevens Burger Johnson Bae Campbell Mmaee Vidigal Or slight variations on personnel Leaving out Pearson is brave, when he is the DM that we have craved for several years. Think for me the 4-2-3-1 offers a balanced double-pivot of a snarly terrier in Pearson with Burger as a deeper playmaker who can also drive into the final third when given space. I'm inclined to put Léris on the right wing, but willing to wait and see how Campbell does there if Neil next selects him in that position again.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 6, 2023 21:00:34 GMT
To me it’s 4-1-2-3 Travers Hoever McNally Wilmot Stevens Burger Johnson Bae Campbell Mmaee Vidigal Or slight variations on personnel Leaving out Pearson is brave, when he is the DM that we have craved for several years. Think for me the 4-2-3-1 offers a balanced double-pivot of a snarly terrier in Pearson with Burger as a deeper playmaker who can also drive into the final third when given space. I'm inclined to put Léris on the right wing, but willing to wait and see how Campbell does there if Neil next selects him in that position again. That’s fair enough, I thought about that and if I did it again it’d no doubt be different tomorrow
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Post by wearepremierleague on Sept 6, 2023 21:22:17 GMT
The people saying 5 at the back are genuinely nuts.
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