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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 2, 2023 18:09:37 GMT
Needs a break! Think it's his 4th league game in succession where he is below par.
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Post by canadianmoose on Sept 2, 2023 18:20:19 GMT
With the way Gooch played when he came on I think Hoever will be on the bench next game anyway
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Post by theoptimist on Sept 2, 2023 18:20:34 GMT
A poor man's Trent.
Positive going forward. Absolute liability at the back.
Question is - can we carry him?
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Post by kerouac on Sept 2, 2023 18:22:10 GMT
He needs to wake the fuck up…
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 2, 2023 18:24:05 GMT
A poor man's Trent. Positive going forward. Absolute liability at the back. Question is - can we carry him? No need to carry him any more with Gooch performing the way he did when he came on. Just like we won't have to carry Laurent or Campbell either by the looks of the youngsters chomping at the bit.
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Hoever!
Sept 2, 2023 18:25:19 GMT
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Post by neddy on Sept 2, 2023 18:25:19 GMT
Yes Gooch was great and we also need to see Junior?
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Post by cvillestokie on Sept 2, 2023 18:30:51 GMT
Good with the ball at his feet but doesn’t really take on a man. Has a good habit of scoring goals. Generally anonymous otherwise. He’s fine as a full back when you consider everything in his game.
I think Gooch suits us more though (based on his cameo). We need direct running. Hoever doesn’t offer that.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 2, 2023 18:34:13 GMT
I don't rate him at all, he just can't defend.
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 2, 2023 19:07:05 GMT
With the way Gooch played when he came on I think Hoever will be on the bench next game anyway Gooch is not the answer though. He's better at defending than Hoever, but overall he's a jobbing full back. Unless we can find a way to get Hoever into the game like we did several times last season, then Gooch will have to do.
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Hoever!
Sept 2, 2023 19:08:37 GMT
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Post by andystokey on Sept 2, 2023 19:08:37 GMT
With the way Gooch played when he came on I think Hoever will be on the bench next game anyway Gooch is not the answer though. He's better at defending than Hoever, but overall he's a jobbing full back. Unless we can find a way to get Hoever into the game like we did several times last season, then Gooch will have to do. If only we had an energetic right back like Junior Tchamadeu.
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Hoever!
Sept 2, 2023 19:09:39 GMT
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Post by neddy on Sept 2, 2023 19:09:39 GMT
With the way Gooch played when he came on I think Hoever will be on the bench next game anyway Gooch is not the answer though. He's better at defending than Hoever, but overall he's a jobbing full back. Unless we can find a way to get Hoever into the game like we did several times last season, then Gooch will have to do. I actually though Gooch looked better going forward but we were chasing the game.
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Post by kev1060 on Sept 2, 2023 19:10:28 GMT
He can't defend for toffee, as was shown in the first half today, when he got knocked oss the ball by Preston's pressing and had it not been for some brave blocks from his team mates, we would have conceded. I'd definitely prefer Gooch on today's showing.
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 2, 2023 19:13:27 GMT
He was terrible again He needs benching
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Hoever!
Sept 2, 2023 19:13:28 GMT
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 2, 2023 19:13:28 GMT
With all due respect, I don't get this "needs a break" at only this stage in the season, after playing only 5 games??? If he's knackered now, God help him come Christmas!!!
Anyhow, we've got a break now so he can get all the rest he needs, and buck up his ideas, hopefully!!!
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Hoever!
Sept 2, 2023 19:17:55 GMT
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Post by daz2631 on Sept 2, 2023 19:17:55 GMT
Hoever was asleep first half has been shite every game this season I hope he isn't going back to how he was at psv.
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 2, 2023 19:18:42 GMT
With the way Gooch played when he came on I think Hoever will be on the bench next game anyway Gooch is not the answer though. He's better at defending than Hoever, but overall he's a jobbing full back. Unless we can find a way to get Hoever into the game like we did several times last season, then Gooch will have to do. He was better at attacking too, his control and passing was better, and he seemed to find a lot more space than Hoever. I was surprised how good he was at going forward, getting to the line and putting in a decent cross. Him and Junho were the best players today despite playing less than 45 mins. Right back slot is his to lose now I reckon.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 2, 2023 19:19:22 GMT
Needs to learn how to defend
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Post by shakermaker on Sept 2, 2023 21:03:23 GMT
Gooch is not the answer though. He's better at defending than Hoever, but overall he's a jobbing full back. Unless we can find a way to get Hoever into the game like we did several times last season, then Gooch will have to do. If only we had an energetic right back like Junior Tchamadeu. We need to be careful what to expect from Junior, but certainly even at this tender age I think he'd be a better defender than Hoever. Hopefully he gets time on the pitch, though maybe start with Gooch against Norwich.
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Hoever!
Sept 2, 2023 21:05:54 GMT
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Post by staffordpotter78 on Sept 2, 2023 21:05:54 GMT
Hoever today was awful going forward and even worse defensively, within 10 minutes of the game kicking off he looked like he was struggling for breath like a chain smoking pub team player.
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Hoever!
Sept 2, 2023 21:08:48 GMT
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Post by roylandstoke on Sept 2, 2023 21:08:48 GMT
Gooch is not the answer though. He's better at defending than Hoever, but overall he's a jobbing full back. Unless we can find a way to get Hoever into the game like we did several times last season, then Gooch will have to do. If only we had an energetic right back like Junior Tchamadeu. I think we’re going to need Junior to play LB.
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Post by spoton on Sept 2, 2023 21:17:20 GMT
Think he's a terrible player to be honest yes he's scored a few goals but he would never be in my starting 11
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Hoever!
Sept 2, 2023 21:20:09 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Sept 2, 2023 21:20:09 GMT
Fantastic pushing forward but tends to get exposed at the back. G man is going to give him a serious challenge and probably take his spot if today is anything to go by.
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Post by Northy on Sept 2, 2023 21:22:04 GMT
Dallies on the ball and gets caught easily, needs to buck up and quickly
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Hoever!
Sept 2, 2023 21:25:19 GMT
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 2, 2023 21:25:19 GMT
I don’t mind Hoever but I genuinely think he will have been displaced by Tchamadeu by Christmas.
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Sept 2, 2023 21:33:56 GMT
I genuinely can't figure him out.
There's times where he can put in a decent tackle, but there's times where he looks like he's never played at right back.
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Post by pushon on Sept 2, 2023 21:40:56 GMT
He's even less of a full-back than Tymon was, he's most effective as a wing-back, just as Tymon was. Stoke are too poor defensively, at the moment, to place any reliance upon him defending the right flank effectively.
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Hoever!
Sept 2, 2023 21:52:22 GMT
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Post by theoptimist on Sept 2, 2023 21:52:22 GMT
Many a time he just sticks a leg out. Just not good enough defensively.
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Hoever!
Sept 2, 2023 21:59:12 GMT
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Sept 2, 2023 21:59:12 GMT
Since Ipswich he's just seemed so lax in everything he does.
Passed the ball directly to a Millwall player last week.
Barely any effort from the lad.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 2, 2023 22:08:35 GMT
He was terrible again He needs benching I think he'll only play in certain games now Gooch is here and I can see it all going a bit Chiquinho.
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Hoever!
Sept 2, 2023 22:08:45 GMT
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Post by stokiespark on Sept 2, 2023 22:08:45 GMT
Absolutely shite today
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