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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 28, 2024 17:25:10 GMT
He’s a steady Champo right back. Would rather Hoever back personally. He’s 20. Being steady already is fantastic given that he has 8 years to hit a peak. In that way, Campbell is similar. He has about 4 years before he peaks. The difference being that he isn’t ever fit and his peak may end up being that half season that ended versus Cardiff. Hoever is likely on 6-10x the wages of Junior. He isn’t 6-10x better as a player. Hoever is only 22 and most of his 40k wages is paid by Wolves not us. Both on the same wages I'd go for Hoever every time at the moment. Don't know if we could persuade him to take a massive wage cut to join us though.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 17:25:40 GMT
Anyone in doubt over Campbell’s ability should read the latest Potterlytics.blog. He does an in-depth analysis which clearly shows for goals and assists per 90 minutes, Campbell is up with the best in the division. He may well not want to stay but clear we couldn’t afford to buy him on the open market. That to me means letting him go is a massive error Christ just shows how pointless stats are if that’s true. And I want him to sign but I’m not having that 🤣
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Post by nott1 on Apr 28, 2024 17:32:34 GMT
Our two goals per season striker is now the bees knees then?
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Post by retrostoke on Apr 29, 2024 11:40:03 GMT
Well we are about to see if the current manager believes in him. 30 from 145 requires a lot of faith Try listening to the interviews with SS on that very subject, or try looking at who he has picked the last three games. However we won't be seeing if SS believes in the future in a player who's determined, understandably, to leave all his loyal retrostoke fan behind this summer As for the stat you've pathetically brought up. It has been debunked over and over again. He has not played 145 games as a striker. Happy for him to leave. I hope he is successful elsewhere. He needs a new challenge and we need something more from a striker. As for him not playing 145 games as a striker…. Well he’s out on the wing for a reason. He’s not prolific enough to play there and several managers have reached that conclusion. We have been desperate for a half decent striker for several years. He hasn't stepped up. Not sure on his assists from out wide. I’d be interested to know
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Post by march4 on Apr 29, 2024 11:45:45 GMT
Different era. Clubs spent less, had smaller squads and all scouting was done by a network of scouts going to watch matches. Today with the top clubs having squads upwards of 30 each(and in some cases many more), even lower division football being shown on TV and the advent of the Internet leading to in depth analysis of every league player's stats and being able to access those stats at the touch of a button there is no chance of finding an unknown hidden in League 1 or 2 and if there is one their club will want a sizeable fee. As I said the other day "How much did Ennis cost?" And he's not that good. These guys weren't hoovered up This season Szmodics about £1m Whittaker £1m plus add ons Last season Akpom £2.75m Morris £1.3m Gyökeres und £1.5m Piroe at Swans £1.5m We signed Mmaee, Jojic and Vidigal for a total exceeding the highest of any of those.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Apr 29, 2024 11:47:08 GMT
I've heard he won't be staying anyway
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 29, 2024 12:08:08 GMT
I've heard he won't be staying anyway Big blow if not meds n we ahve to literally replace every forward in the squad bar Ennis who barely counts anyway and not waht the leadership group want
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Post by walrus on Apr 29, 2024 12:18:39 GMT
These guys weren't hoovered up This season Szmodics about £1m Whittaker £1m plus add ons Last season Akpom £2.75m Morris £1.3m Gyökeres und £1.5m Piroe at Swans £1.5m We signed Mmaee, Jojic and Vidigal for a total exceeding the highest of any of those. Jojić was very much a “one for the future” signing. Unfair to include him here as it’s too early to tell whether he will end up representing good value for us. Vidigal cost peanuts and has more than repaid it with his seven goals. Mmaee has undeniably been a disappointment. He took a while to adapt to the pace of English football, not helped by a few injuries. His confidence in front of goal has been knocked and his finishing’s been poor. But I genuinely think he’s got the best footballing brain of any player in our squad. He cut West Brom open at will the other week. I think those writing him off as a waste of money are being hasty, although he hasn’t provided that return on investment yet.
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Post by jokker on Apr 29, 2024 13:03:48 GMT
Try listening to the interviews with SS on that very subject, or try looking at who he has picked the last three games. However we won't be seeing if SS believes in the future in a player who's determined, understandably, to leave all his loyal retrostoke fan behind this summer As for the stat you've pathetically brought up. It has been debunked over and over again. He has not played 145 games as a striker. Happy for him to leave. I hope he is successful elsewhere. He needs a new challenge and we need something more from a striker. As for him not playing 145 games as a striker…. Well he’s out on the wing for a reason. He’s not prolific enough to play there and several managers have reached that conclusion. We have been desperate for a half decent striker for several years. He hasn't stepped up. Not sure on his assists from out wide. I’d be interested to know You're actually right and completely wrong at the same time. He's not prolific enough - I'm sure he himself would have liked to score many more. But it's not his fault that "several managers" have consistently failed to bring in a "half-decent striker". The quarter decent strikers have come and gone, leaving little trace and very few goals behind them. Afobe, Vokes, I've forgotten the names of the rest. He worked very well together with Fletcher and Powell, and there were goals then from all three. But all three fell victim to many injuries. The point is he's not a nine, but a ten. He'd be much better if we had a Ritchie-like number nine.
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Post by shakermaker on Apr 29, 2024 13:16:38 GMT
We can only speculate on how many goals Ty could have scored for us if not for that injury. The facts are that he has flattered to deceive for the vast majority of his time with us. This just feels like the right time to part ways. I'll be sorry to see him go, as he's come through the youth teams with us and I genuinely wish him all the best.
Start him against Bristol City, and give him the armband.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Apr 29, 2024 13:24:27 GMT
Anyone in doubt over Campbell’s ability should read the latest Potterlytics.blog. He does an in-depth analysis which clearly shows for goals and assists per 90 minutes, Campbell is up with the best in the division. He may well not want to stay but clear we couldn’t afford to buy him on the open market. That to me means letting him go is a massive error Christ just shows how pointless stats are if that’s true. And I want him to sign but I’m not having that 🤣 On some pretty objective measures like goals and assist per 90 minutes he performs well (almost a goal every 2 full games our wide and 1 every 3 centrally) never mind the more complicated measures. On his numbers, we couldn’t afford the fee to sign him that is the reality. But of course why bother with stats? Who cares why clubs like Ipswich, Brighton, Coventry, Brentford, Bournemouth continue to outperform their spending? Let’s carry on making judgements based on limited knowledge or bias and hence keep signing manager favourites like Johnson and Ennis rather than data driven recruits such as Bae, Million and Burger.
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 29, 2024 13:49:37 GMT
I think he has a lot of raw ingredients to do well. He's got genuine pace, makes good runs (some excellent examples on Saturday) and isn't afraid to shoot from good positions.
Obviously, he's had a big setback with injury and Alex Neil's style of playing is basically antithetical to his whole game. He's not a target man and he's not a player who presses for 90 minutes, which made him a poor fit for Neil. This season he has visibly struggled with confidence after his injury, but he has looked like something has clicked in the last few games. Schumacher's style of play suits him much better, I think.
I would be sorry to see him go and I would have used him a lot more this season.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Apr 29, 2024 13:57:51 GMT
I think he has a lot of raw ingredients to do well. He's got genuine pace, makes good runs (some excellent examples on Saturday) and isn't afraid to shoot from good positions. Obviously, he's had a big setback with injury and Alex Neil's style of playing is basically antithetical to his whole game. He's not a target man and he's not a player who presses for 90 minutes, which made him a poor fit for Neil. This season he has visibly struggled with confidence after his injury, but he has looked like something has clicked in the last few games. Schumacher's style of play suits him much better, I think. I would be sorry to see him go and I would have used him a lot more this season. What injury? The one he had bloody ages ago? He’s not still getting over that. People look for excuses where there aren’t any. If he does stay then c’est la vie. If he goes, good luck to him and let’s welcome someone new.
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 29, 2024 14:27:16 GMT
I think he has a lot of raw ingredients to do well. He's got genuine pace, makes good runs (some excellent examples on Saturday) and isn't afraid to shoot from good positions. Obviously, he's had a big setback with injury and Alex Neil's style of playing is basically antithetical to his whole game. He's not a target man and he's not a player who presses for 90 minutes, which made him a poor fit for Neil. This season he has visibly struggled with confidence after his injury, but he has looked like something has clicked in the last few games. Schumacher's style of play suits him much better, I think. I would be sorry to see him go and I would have used him a lot more this season. What injury? The one he had bloody ages ago? He’s not still getting over that. People look for excuses where there aren’t any. If he does stay then c’est la vie. If he goes, good luck to him and let’s welcome someone new. Was he not carried off against Hull (?) this season and then missed a big chunk of games?
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Post by acstokie on Apr 29, 2024 14:39:26 GMT
What injury? The one he had bloody ages ago? He’s not still getting over that. People look for excuses where there aren’t any. If he does stay then c’est la vie. If he goes, good luck to him and let’s welcome someone new. Was he not carried off against Hull (?) this season and then missed a big chunk of games? I would say more helped off than carried off, and yes he did miss a chunk of games. He also missed some of pre season and the start of the season with injury. Tyrese is a confidence player who needs a decent run of games to get into a rhythm, and he really hasn't had enough game time to build it. In fact he has had the 19th most minutes in the squad behind even Travers who left in October!
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 29, 2024 14:46:46 GMT
Was he not carried off against Hull (?) this season and then missed a big chunk of games? I would say more helped off than carried off, and yes he did miss a chunk of games. He also missed some of pre season and the start of the season with injury. Tyrese is a confidence player who needs a decent run of games to get into a rhythm, and he really hasn't had enough game time to build it. In fact he has had the 19th most minutes in the squad behind even Travers who left in October! He's played less than half the season through injury, so it's fair to assume he would have scored more than 2 goals on a full season fully fit. Some of the games he's played he hasn't looked fit, but people made their mind up he was lazy and I don't blame him for wanting go to another club (if that is the case) where he probably has a better chance of being better appreciated and he might be better utilised. We will be stuck with Ennis, same age as Campbell and who has actually scored less goals in more games. 29 goals in 151 games.
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Post by TinkerT on Apr 29, 2024 14:53:59 GMT
I've heard he won't be staying anyway Don't believe anything you read.
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Post by jokker on Apr 29, 2024 15:13:31 GMT
What injury? The one he had bloody ages ago? He’s not still getting over that. People look for excuses where there aren’t any. If he does stay then c’est la vie. If he goes, good luck to him and let’s welcome someone new. No. This season's injuries. I suppose your sort won't accept injuries as an excuse when there is one. Yes, let's spend all the money we have on one striker who won't fit our way of playing and will stop scoring the minute he starts to drink the ST4 water.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Apr 29, 2024 15:15:56 GMT
I for one hope he signs a new contract.
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Post by norters on Apr 29, 2024 15:30:09 GMT
I think there will be an offer.. whether it meets expectations is a different matter..
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Post by hooftastic on Apr 29, 2024 15:46:02 GMT
We signed Mmaee, Jojic and Vidigal for a total exceeding the highest of any of those. Jojić was very much a “one for the future” signing. Unfair to include him here as it’s too early to tell whether he will end up representing good value for us. Vidigal cost peanuts and has more than repaid it with his seven goals. Mmaee has undeniably been a disappointment. He took a while to adapt to the pace of English football, not helped by a few injuries. His confidence in front of goal has been knocked and his finishing’s been poor. But I genuinely think he’s got the best footballing brain of any player in our squad. He cut West Brom open at will the other week. I think those writing him off as a waste of money are being hasty, although he hasn’t provided that return on investment yet. There are some very good (even greatest maybe) players who took a season to get used to the English game. Even in our own history, Arnautovic and Shakiri had poor first seasons, just showing glimpses.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 29, 2024 16:35:11 GMT
Christ just shows how pointless stats are if that’s true. And I want him to sign but I’m not having that 🤣 On some pretty objective measures like goals and assist per 90 minutes he performs well (almost a goal every 2 full games our wide and 1 every 3 centrally) never mind the more complicated measures. On his numbers, we couldn’t afford the fee to sign him that is the reality. But of course why bother with stats? Who cares why clubs like Ipswich, Brighton, Coventry, Brentford, Bournemouth continue to outperform their spending? Let’s carry on making judgements based on limited knowledge or bias and hence keep signing manager favourites like Johnson and Ennis rather than data driven recruits such as Bae, Million and Burger. Like I said, I really like Campbell but they are just fictional. My bias is towards Campbell as I’ve said 🤣🤣
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Post by teanstoke on Apr 29, 2024 16:44:04 GMT
Thank you Mr Campbell , but we have waited to long . We have seen you play and loved it , but to be a good player ou have to deliver on a regular basis if things are not going for you effort pulls you through, this is where you fail. If you had your dads work ethic then a different matter. But I wish you well.
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Post by smiler_andy on Apr 29, 2024 17:57:26 GMT
Campbell is 24years old has played for Stoke when we were in Premier League under Lambert. So in 7 seasons (not inc youth) he has had 6 managers it is no wonder he has not progressed as much as we would like. We need continuity for players to improve and develop. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrese_Campbell
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Post by nott1 on Apr 29, 2024 18:11:22 GMT
Campbell is 24years old has played for Stoke when we were in Premier League under Lambert. So in 7 seasons (not inc youth) he has had 6 managers it is no wonder he has not progressed as much as we would like. We need continuity for players to improve and develop. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrese_CampbellThe trouble is we can't keep a manager just for continuity's sake if he is a complete idiot, like some who we could all mention! Players have to persevere, not one of Ty's traits!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 29, 2024 18:26:09 GMT
He’s the most critical retention of the summer because we have no other proper forwards with any pedigree at this level trying to recruit 4 in one summer is just a huge stretch given the other holes we need to fill and because we get nothing in if he goes .
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Post by lordb on Apr 29, 2024 18:29:38 GMT
He’s the most critical retention of the summer because we have no other proper forwards with any pedigree at this level trying to recruit 4 in one summer is just a huge stretch given the other holes we need to fill and because we get nothing in if he goes . Think Mmaee will stay Ennis might be below standard but he's here if Campbell does as well then then given we play one central striker I'd say we will 'just' have to sign one obviously, as we do every year, we have to somehow unearth a bloody good one If Campbell does go yes they would need 2
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Post by hotpot on Apr 30, 2024 0:22:28 GMT
I seriously doubt that Campbell will even be signed on by any other club in the Prem or Championship. We would be wise not to extend his contract because we really cannot afford to keep a three goal a season forward. Instead, I am wishfully hoping we may be able to tempt Omari Hutchinson (Leicester) to come. He reminds me of a young Ian Wright.
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Post by george2again on Apr 30, 2024 3:35:54 GMT
We signed Mmaee, Jojic and Vidigal for a total exceeding the highest of any of those. Jojić was very much a “one for the future” signing. Unfair to include him here as it’s too early to tell whether he will end up representing good value for us. Vidigal cost peanuts and has more than repaid it with his seven goals. Mmaee has undeniably been a disappointment. He took a while to adapt to the pace of English football, not helped by a few injuries. His confidence in front of goal has been knocked and his finishing’s been poor. But I genuinely think he’s got the best footballing brain of any player in our squad. He cut West Brom open at will the other week. I think those writing him off as a waste of money are being hasty, although he hasn’t provided that return on investment yet. But he’s incredibly slow I we can’t accommodate that in the squad. Same with Vidigal. Both should be squad players if they stay. Hopefully both will move on.
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Post by george2again on Apr 30, 2024 3:44:37 GMT
He’s the most critical retention of the summer because we have no other proper forwards with any pedigree at this level trying to recruit 4 in one summer is just a huge stretch given the other holes we need to fill and because we get nothing in if he goes . Think Mmaee will stay Ennis might be below standard but he's here if Campbell does as well then then given we play one central striker I'd say we will 'just' have to sign one obviously, as we do every year, we have to somehow unearth a bloody good one If Campbell does go yes they would need 2 We need two strikers as a bare minimum. Think your missing the main issue here that our ‘wide’ forwards don’t many goals. Personally I think we will see a change to SS favourite formation with two number 10’s. Bae would be one but not sure where Million would fit in? Not sure Bae would be hitting anywhere near double figures so striker options are essential. Any forwards need pace and power as it seemed we have been the tortoise of the championship for far to long.
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