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Apr 28, 2024 10:35:07 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 10:35:07 GMT
So do we think he is staying/going?. I honestly think it’s daft from all parties if he stays despite me wanting him to stay. I would say a majority of the fans here really don’t like him. And I think they’d pounce on anything bad like they do now. From his pov he’s not progressed here how he would have hoped. A fresh start might give him fresh impetus and just a new start. Him leaving makes way more sense than him staying.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 10:35:47 GMT
And Hoever can’t defend for shit.! Myth promoted by oatcake posters with an agenda. He loses concentration at times but he can defend. He can’t. He literally doesn’t know where to stand. It’s laughable.
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Post by march4 on Apr 28, 2024 10:38:11 GMT
Important we keep Campbell and move out Vidigal, Mmaee and Wesley.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 28, 2024 10:39:34 GMT
Myth promoted by oatcake posters with an agenda. He loses concentration at times but he can defend. He can’t. He literally doesn’t know where to stand. It’s laughable. We have different opinions. Do you think Junior stands in the right places?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 10:42:30 GMT
He can’t. He literally doesn’t know where to stand. It’s laughable. We have different opinions. Do you think Junior stands in the right places? From when I’ve seen him play which admittedly hasn’t been often as I don’t watch the away games yes. Hoever would lose his man in a phone box.
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Post by andystokey on Apr 28, 2024 10:43:54 GMT
Wayne Biggins Peter Thorne Mark Stein All players that came from nowhere for nominal fees. Different era. Clubs spent less, had smaller squads and all scouting was done by a network of scouts going to watch matches. Today with the top clubs having squads upwards of 30 each(and in some cases many more), even lower division football being shown on TV and the advent of the Internet leading to in depth analysis of every league player's stats and being able to access those stats at the touch of a button there is no chance of finding an unknown hidden in League 1 or 2 and if there is one their club will want a sizeable fee. As I said the other day "How much did Ennis cost?" And he's not that good. These guys weren't hoovered up This season Szmodics about £1m Whittaker £1m plus add ons Last season Akpom £2.75m Morris £1.3m Gyökeres und £1.5m Piroe at Swans £1.5m
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 28, 2024 10:44:17 GMT
We have different opinions. Do you think Junior stands in the right places? From when I’ve seen him play which admittedly hasn’t been often as I don’t watch the away games yes. Hoever would lose his man in a phone box. Like you I haven't seen enough of Junior to give a fair judgement but he seems to be out of position a lot for a player who knows where he should be.
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Campbell
Apr 28, 2024 10:45:38 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 10:45:38 GMT
From when I’ve seen him play which admittedly hasn’t been often as I don’t watch the away games yes. Hoever would lose his man in a phone box. Like you I haven't seen enough of Junior to give a fair judgement but he seems to be out of position a lot for a player who knows where he should be. I’d happily see us sign a new right back though. I think the whole back line could easily be replaced.
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Apr 28, 2024 10:49:07 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 28, 2024 10:49:07 GMT
Agreed. Junior is seen as a star by many based on very little evidence. He runs around a lot but often to the wrong places, his technique is poor and his tackling a yellow card in waiting. He was totally lost yesterday I’ve never known what people see in him to be honest, reminds me a bit of Wilko. He’s not bad by any means but he’s not a natural on the ball. www.cu-fc.com/news/2023/april/junior-young-player-of-the-season/#:~:text=Colchester%20United%20youngster%20Junior%20Tchamadeu,Two%20Team%20of%20the%20Season. I think that he just needs to grow and adapt to the higher level. He has the physical stature for it. With Manhoef enjoying cutting inside, I think he’ll have a lot of luck running in on the overlap.
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 28, 2024 11:06:10 GMT
Different era. Clubs spent less, had smaller squads and all scouting was done by a network of scouts going to watch matches. Today with the top clubs having squads upwards of 30 each(and in some cases many more), even lower division football being shown on TV and the advent of the Internet leading to in depth analysis of every league player's stats and being able to access those stats at the touch of a button there is no chance of finding an unknown hidden in League 1 or 2 and if there is one their club will want a sizeable fee. As I said the other day "How much did Ennis cost?" And he's not that good. These guys weren't hoovered up This season Szmodics about £1m Whittaker £1m plus add ons Last season Akpom £2.75m Morris £1.3m Gyökeres und £1.5m Piroe at Swans £1.5m Szmodics is 28 and has only scored double figures in one previous season and only scored 7 in 41 games for Blackburn last season. I will give you Whittaker this season. Akpom also 28 with one good season signed from abroad for 3 million. Morris fair point. Gyokeres again a good signing but he was a Brighton player and they hoover up a lot of unknown players to loan out. Coventry were lucky they saw enough in him on loan to sign him as he only score 3 league goals the previous season for them and 0 for Swansea. Piroe was a brilliant signing but from Holland not England. He, along with our three Dutch men makes you think the Netherlands is a good place to shop as they seem to find it easier to adapt to English football.
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Campbell
Apr 28, 2024 11:11:15 GMT
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Apr 28, 2024 11:11:15 GMT
He’s a steady Champo right back. Would rather Hoever back personally.
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Campbell
Apr 28, 2024 11:16:12 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 28, 2024 11:16:12 GMT
He’s a steady Champo right back. Would rather Hoever back personally. He’s 20. Being steady already is fantastic given that he has 8 years to hit a peak. In that way, Campbell is similar. He has about 4 years before he peaks. The difference being that he isn’t ever fit and his peak may end up being that half season that ended versus Cardiff. Hoever is likely on 6-10x the wages of Junior. He isn’t 6-10x better as a player.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 11:52:14 GMT
He needs to stay,if we can find a partner for him like when he played with Fletcher.
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Post by dirtclod on Apr 28, 2024 12:12:06 GMT
Campbell has, for whatever reasons left it a bit late. Credit to Schu to being the first in getting him motivated to even make this a debate. Now a 50/50 on whether or not he stays. I won't rend my garments, don sackcloth and fling myself off a bridge if he leaves.
It's become an Oatcake tradition to rewrite history and act like everyone who leaves will never be replaced. (Some truth to that in some cases - Whelan, Nzonzi etc. but this guy's nowhere near those levels) Not this guy, too many other managers have proven to not be able to motivate him to realize that potential that we keep hearing about.
Even before injury if you'll recall - this one had trouble playing 60 minutes, much less 90. Also think he's lost a bit of pace since that injury. Still has pace, but not the electrifying pace he had before. I do congratulate him on his recent attitude/approach - but that should be embedded at the start if you're a professional athlete. Could see him being a helpful option as a member of the squad, especially with Schu still here.
But wouldn't bet the future of our whole attack on him and for damned sure wouldn't be looking to bring Fletcher back as some sort of Remora fish to swim alongside him - too many false dawns.
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Post by lordb on Apr 28, 2024 12:35:52 GMT
Important we keep Campbell and move out Vidigal, Mmaee and Wesley. Wes is out of contract so will go Videgal might go, don't know but is cheap and does actually score now and then Mmaee... Think most fans would disagree with you there
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 28, 2024 13:07:04 GMT
Campbell looks very clumsy when he receives the ball with his back to the goal, but his accelration is very good and will give him opportunities when one on one. If he only could be better at holding the ball up and compete for balls in the air he could be the player we hoped he would be. If only he was 6ft6 he'd score on all those long high balls the defenders keep hoofing towards him, despite the fact that they must know he's afraid of the ball coming to his handsome head...but it's always his fault, not the long ball merchants. Campbell is the player he is, there's much to admire about him. Try looking at his positives! Problem is that if he can't improve on holding the ball up I'm not sure we can play him in the middle of a 3. He might be better used as a winger then, but then he needs to improve his endurance as well.
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Post by jokker on Apr 28, 2024 14:19:11 GMT
If only he was 6ft6 he'd score on all those long high balls the defenders keep hoofing towards him, despite the fact that they must know he's afraid of the ball coming to his handsome head...but it's always his fault, not the long ball merchants. Campbell is the player he is, there's much to admire about him. Try looking at his positives! Problem is that if he can't improve on holding the ball up I'm not sure we can play him in the middle of a 3. He might be better used as a winger then, but then he needs to improve his endurance as well. At some point his manager(s) will have to make up their fucked up minds whether he's a winger or a striker. Some people can switch easily between positions, such as our new/old SJW, but some need security in playing the same position week in, week out, and Campbell is that one. He's motivated for number nine. If he gets picked as a 7 or 11, he'll do his job (some days), but his motivation is less. It so happens that his current manager sees him as a nine, so he should play there next week. What happens afterwards is not our business, because his next game will be his last for SCFC.
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Post by jokker on Apr 28, 2024 14:20:04 GMT
Important we keep Campbell and move out Vidigal, Mmaee and Wesley. Wes is out of contract so will go Videgal might go, don't know but is cheap and does actually score now and then Mmaee... Think most fans would disagree with you there But would Mmaee disagree...? I think not.
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Apr 28, 2024 14:36:09 GMT
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Post by retrostoke on Apr 28, 2024 14:36:09 GMT
Lazy arse coasting through a very mediocre career. Not reached his potential but hasn’t needed to, he has been cocooned in a very comfortable Stoke bubble for a bit too long.
Doesn’t give enough to the cause for me. Lacks a bit of self drive and ambition. Probably hoodwinked by his dad into believing he’s actually got something.
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Post by jm on Apr 28, 2024 15:05:19 GMT
Like you I haven't seen enough of Junior to give a fair judgement but he seems to be out of position a lot for a player who knows where he should be. I’d happily see us sign a new right back though. I think the whole back line could easily be replaced. The back line that have conceded just 1 goal in the last 4 games? Hoever is looking the part to me too. Campbell - give him a 2 year contract with a manager who believes in him and we will reap the benefits - a confident Tye scores goals.
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Post by jokker on Apr 28, 2024 15:27:57 GMT
Lazy arse coasting through a very mediocre career. Not reached his potential but hasn’t needed to, he has been cocooned in a very comfortable Stoke bubble for a bit too long. Doesn’t give enough to the cause for me. Lacks a bit of self drive and ambition. Probably hoodwinked by his dad into believing he’s actually got something. Nonsense. Most of his managers believed in him, starting with Hughes giving him his debut at 17, when he nearly scored. Some didn't however, people like Jones had very little faith in him.
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 28, 2024 15:44:50 GMT
Problem is that if he can't improve on holding the ball up I'm not sure we can play him in the middle of a 3. He might be better used as a winger then, but then he needs to improve his endurance as well. At some point his manager(s) will have to make up their fucked up minds whether he's a winger or a striker. Some people can switch easily between positions, such as our new/old SJW, but some need security in playing the same position week in, week out, and Campbell is that one. He's motivated for number nine. If he gets picked as a 7 or 11, he'll do his job (some days), but his motivation is less. It so happens that his current manager sees him as a nine, so he should play there next week. What happens afterwards is not our business, because his next game will be his last for SCFC. You know that for sure?
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Apr 28, 2024 16:05:30 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 28, 2024 16:05:30 GMT
I’d happily see us sign a new right back though. I think the whole back line could easily be replaced. The back line that have conceded just 1 goal in the last 4 games? Hoever is looking the part to me too. Campbell - give him a 2 year contract with a manager who believes in him and we will reap the benefits - a confident Tye scores goals. The defence over the season has been tragic. We don’t have a centre half who should be a regular at this level. Hoever would lose his man in a phone box. And doesn’t know how to defend. I like Campbell but he’s got a lot to prove. He’s been a massive let down so far.
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Apr 28, 2024 17:12:30 GMT
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Post by retrostoke on Apr 28, 2024 17:12:30 GMT
Lazy arse coasting through a very mediocre career. Not reached his potential but hasn’t needed to, he has been cocooned in a very comfortable Stoke bubble for a bit too long. Doesn’t give enough to the cause for me. Lacks a bit of self drive and ambition. Probably hoodwinked by his dad into believing he’s actually got something. Nonsense. Most of his managers believed in him, starting with Hughes giving him his debut at 17, when he nearly scored. Some didn't however, people like Jones had very little faith in him. Well we are about to see if the current manager believes in him. 30 from 145 requires a lot of faith
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Post by jokker on Apr 28, 2024 17:13:23 GMT
At some point his manager(s) will have to make up their fucked up minds whether he's a winger or a striker. Some people can switch easily between positions, such as our new/old SJW, but some need security in playing the same position week in, week out, and Campbell is that one. He's motivated for number nine. If he gets picked as a 7 or 11, he'll do his job (some days), but his motivation is less. It so happens that his current manager sees him as a nine, so he should play there next week. What happens afterwards is not our business, because his next game will be his last for SCFC. You know that for sure? Source: Ty Campbell. Of course he could change his mind over all the adulation he's been shown by the away fans and Rob Wahlmann...
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Post by skip on Apr 28, 2024 17:15:12 GMT
Like you I haven't seen enough of Junior to give a fair judgement but he seems to be out of position a lot for a player who knows where he should be. I’d happily see us sign a new right back though. I think the whole back line could easily be replaced.
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Post by jokker on Apr 28, 2024 17:17:28 GMT
Nonsense. Most of his managers believed in him, starting with Hughes giving him his debut at 17, when he nearly scored. Some didn't however, people like Jones had very little faith in him. Well we are about to see if the current manager believes in him. 30 from 145 requires a lot of faith Try listening to the interviews with SS on that very subject, or try looking at who he has picked the last three games. However we won't be seeing if SS believes in the future in a player who's determined, understandably, to leave all his loyal retrostoke fan behind this summer As for the stat you've pathetically brought up. It has been debunked over and over again. He has not played 145 games as a striker.
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 28, 2024 17:17:34 GMT
You know that for sure? Source: Ty Campbell. Of course he could change his mind over all the adulation he's been shown by the away fans and Rob Wahlmann... Time will tell I guess!
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Post by chiswickpotter on Apr 28, 2024 17:24:12 GMT
Anyone in doubt over Campbell’s ability should read the latest Potterlytics.blog. He does an in-depth analysis which clearly shows for goals and assists per 90 minutes, Campbell is up with the best in the division. He may well not want to stay but clear we couldn’t afford to buy him on the open market. That to me means letting him go is a massive error
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 28, 2024 17:24:40 GMT
He’s a steady Champo right back. Would rather Hoever back personally. He’s 20. Being steady already is fantastic given that he has 8 years to hit a peak. In that way, Campbell is similar. He has about 4 years before he peaks. The difference being that he isn’t ever fit and his peak may end up being that half season that ended versus Cardiff. Hoever is likely on 6-10x the wages of Junior. He isn’t 6-10x better as a player. Hoever is only 22 and most of his 40k wages is paid by Wolves not us. Both on the same wages I'd go for Hoever every time at the moment. Don't know if we could persuade him to take a massive wage cut to join us though.
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