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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 18:22:01 GMT
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Post by scfcwebby on Oct 7, 2023 18:22:01 GMT
I don't think he's got it in him to sort this mess out Why? Have you seen something that says he can?
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Post by danceswithclams on Oct 7, 2023 18:26:27 GMT
Have you seen something that says he can? I'd obviously misread the post. Believe me, I haven't seen anything that suggests that the aloof Scottish potato can turn things around. My only qualms about sacking him (which he fully deserves) is that the myopic dicks who run the club will replace him with yet another boring, outmoded, British shitter and the whole sorry process will start over again.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2023 18:27:29 GMT
Have you seen something that says he can? I'd obviously misread the post. Believe me, I haven't seen anything that suggests that the aloof Scottish potato can turn things around. My only qualms about sacking him (which he fully deserves) is that the myopic dicks who run the club will replace him with yet another boring, outmoded, British shitter and the whole sorry process will start over again. I've just got off the blower to Steve Bruce and I can tell you he is highly offended by that...
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 18:27:34 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 7, 2023 18:27:34 GMT
I’ll reserve judgment on that mate regarding the Dublin recruitment when we’ve seen them for a lot longer but there’s no doubt Neil took a massive gamble in his decision to go with the lack of defenders/cover and it’s backfired dreadfully and could cost him his job Selling Tymon at last orders being the cherry on the top. Maybe we had to to balance the books for FFP but yes it seemed an odd decision considering the defensive cover or lack of it
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Post by spongebobflathead on Oct 7, 2023 18:33:59 GMT
Recruiting 18 new players and then having to use 2 midfields as defenders 11 games in strikes me as gross incompetence. He’s a nice fella but just a wank manager.
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 7, 2023 18:36:16 GMT
Bringing in a new manager now would be disastrous.. We've got to give him this season at least. We will not get relegated so let's persevere with the new set up of management, players and coaching staff. We've got the January window to reinforce positions that have been woefully neglected. Like everyone I'm bitterly disappointed how things are going but firmly believe we've got to stick not twist. You've looked into your crystal ball to come up with that rubbish have you? Bit rude mister. I don't need a crystal ball. Just a look back over a few seasons at our football club.
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Post by scfcwebby on Oct 7, 2023 18:37:45 GMT
Have you seen something that says he can? I'd obviously misread the post. Believe me, I haven't seen anything that suggests that the aloof Scottish potato can turn things around. My only qualms about sacking him (which he fully deserves) is that the myopic dicks who run the club will replace him with yet another boring, outmoded, British shitter and the whole sorry process will start over again. 😂 100% accurate mate
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 18:39:38 GMT
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Post by danceswithclams on Oct 7, 2023 18:39:38 GMT
I'd obviously misread the post. Believe me, I haven't seen anything that suggests that the aloof Scottish potato can turn things around. My only qualms about sacking him (which he fully deserves) is that the myopic dicks who run the club will replace him with yet another boring, outmoded, British shitter and the whole sorry process will start over again. I've just got off the blower to Steve Bruce and I can tell you he is highly offended by that... How could you tell what he was saying through the gobful of kebab he was undoubtedly munching on at this time of an evening? 😅
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Post by mr on Oct 7, 2023 18:42:32 GMT
I’m not in the out camp yet. Still needs time with this new squad. Anywhere near the bottom in January and fair enough he can go.
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 18:43:03 GMT
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Post by butlerstbob on Oct 7, 2023 18:43:03 GMT
Have you seen something that says he can? I'd obviously misread the post. Believe me, I haven't seen anything that suggests that the aloof Scottish potato can turn things around. My only qualms about sacking him (which he fully deserves) is that the myopic dicks who run the club will replace him with yet another boring, outmoded, British shitter and the whole sorry process will start over again. This sums up scfc to a T...same shite different day, week, month and fecking year!
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Post by stokiejoe on Oct 7, 2023 18:45:08 GMT
The players we have are now Neil players, for good or bad. Changing managers at this point means the new manager inherits them with little chance of changing them. The annoying point about football management is that they nearly all have failed somewhere so any replacement would be a failed manager. We have to see this out a little longer, probably to the next transfer window and then see where we are. Anyway as fans we have little or no say, only results will cause a change or not!
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 18:45:14 GMT
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Post by Scrotnig on Oct 7, 2023 18:45:14 GMT
It is actually upsetting to say it because I had high confidence we were doing the right thing, but we are not going to turn this round and therefore he has to go, for me. Where we go, who we get, I have no idea. I think I’ll just despair for a bit and see if that sorts it out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2023 18:45:46 GMT
It's ironic really that AN talks as if he was the Pep Gaurdiola of the championship and yet is the least tactical manager, in the championship.
Yes , he keeps endlessly chopping and changing everything. But that is not a tactic. That's the result of being indecisive.
Do you see Stoke marking touch tight at set pieces for instance? No Do you see Stoke getting into 2 banks of four , with the midfield dropping deep when we lose the ball? No Do we watch Stoke attacks ,saying things like...we have got an over load down our right side again ? Or that was clever how they worked that the 3rd man run ? I didn't see that coming. No .
If you ignore a catalogue of major weaknesses, like not knowing what he should be doing when their winger has him one v one ! Then I will grant you, Hoever loves a 3 rd man run , but that's seems to be because he personally , just does his own thing for 90 mins ( for good or for bad ! ) rather than a team tactic.
The idea that AN is tactical for me is myth .
He talks endlessly about tactics, but come match day we actually don't have a co ordinated plan to block the opposition's route to goal ( eg two banks of four) or create opportunities for ourselves , be it overloads , 3 rd man runs or anything else .
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Post by karl on Oct 7, 2023 18:48:13 GMT
If results don't pick up after the break in the next 3 games I am sure Neil Warnock would turn things around until the end of season.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 7, 2023 18:50:22 GMT
With their record of British managers
Would anyone be shocked at an approach for Frank Lampard?
Before anyone pipes up ..not saying I would in any way
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 7, 2023 18:54:23 GMT
If results don't pick up after the break in the next 3 games I am sure Neil Warnock would turn things around until the end of season. I think I've had a bellyful of Neil's one way or another.
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 18:54:35 GMT
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Post by Pricey on Oct 7, 2023 18:54:35 GMT
It's ironic really that AN talks as if he was the Pep Gaurdiola of the championship and yet is the least tactical manager, in the championship. Yes , he keeps endlessly chopping and changing everything. But that is not a tactic. That's the result of being indecisive. Do you see Stoke marking touch tight at set pieces for instance? No Do you see Stoke getting into 2 banks of four , with the midfield dropping deep when we lose the ball? No Do we watch Stoke attacks ,saying things like...we have got an over load down our right side again ? Or that was clever how they worked that the 3rd man run ? I didn't see that coming. No . If you ignore a catalogue of major weaknesses, like not knowing what he should be doing when their winger has him one v one ! Then I will grant you, Hoever loves a 3 rd man run , but that's seems to be because he personally , just does his own thing for 90 mins ( for good or for bad ! ) rather than a team tactic. The idea that AN is tactical for me is myth . He talks endlessly about tactics, but come match day we actually don't have a co ordinated plan to block the opposition's route to goal ( eg two banks of four) or create opportunities for ourselves , be it overloads , 3 rd man runs or anything else . We did the two banks of four today and it was relatively effective as long as Leicester didn’t move the ball quickly. He also maintained it until the end of the game, even at 2-0 down! Was almost like Pulis has been brought in as a defensive adviser.
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 18:56:53 GMT
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Post by Pricey on Oct 7, 2023 18:56:53 GMT
The players we have are now Neil players, for good or bad. Changing managers at this point means the new manager inherits them with little chance of changing them. The annoying point about football management is that they nearly all have failed somewhere so any replacement would be a failed manager. We have to see this out a little longer, probably to the next transfer window and then see where we are. Anyway as fans we have little or no say, only results will cause a change or not! So going for a decent young manager who has had success with one club is out of the window after Jones is it? FFS.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 7, 2023 18:58:57 GMT
Not necessarily, but it wouldn't bother me too much if he went on Monday That post is ridiculous though. Why would a new manager be disastrous? There's a very decent chance we'll be relegated if our current form under Alex Neil continues. We can't string two wins on the bounce ffs. Why would you give a manager another transfer window to address problems that he, amongst others, have "woefully neglected"? Results are dreadful and it can’t carry on for sure but I just see another massive rift ahead with Martin being the main man at the minute and his mate.Coates must be wondering about Dublin and the recruitment that’s taken place also but like you say we can’t string a run of results together which is vital in this league I don’t think the recruitment / scoutings been that bad. The bigger problem is players who were already here and players that have been let go. Travers - Improvement Junior - excellent Vidigal - class but missed most of the games after no previous injury issues Mmaee - Jury still out but injured most of the season Burger - Looks a good player but not sure he’s been used in the right way Pearson - Decent but underperformed Johnson - Poor today but been OK on the whole. Another who’s never had a run of games Gooch - Good squad player. Injured Hacks - Looks decent Sampdoria man - I like but been played all over the place Bae - Looks a great prospect but been played out wide rather than central Bosnian - One for the future Hoever - rusty after injury Rose - Never held his place after a decent debut Mcnally - Been on the bench primarily. Average. Wesley - Very poor signing. Not sure we play to his strengths though. - Playing Laurent every game has been a problem. He’s been poor and is not a leader. - 3 at the back is plain daft and doesn’t work - Too many injuries have really impacted - Never thought I’d say it but Brown has been a huge loss re his work rate
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 19:00:29 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Oct 7, 2023 19:00:29 GMT
Results are dreadful and it can’t carry on for sure but I just see another massive rift ahead with Martin being the main man at the minute and his mate.Coates must be wondering about Dublin and the recruitment that’s taken place also but like you say we can’t string a run of results together which is vital in this league I don’t think the recruitment / scoutings been that bad. The bigger problem is players who were already here and players that have been let go. Travers - Improvement Junior - excellent Vidigal - class but missed most of the games after no previous injury issues Mmaee - Jury still out but injured most of the season Burger - Looks a good player but not sure he’s been used in the right way Pearson - Decent but underperformed Johnson - Poor today but been OK on the whole. Another who’s never had a run of games Gooch - Good squad player. Injured Hacks - Looks decent Sampdoria man - I like but been played all over the place Bae - Looks a great prospect but been played out wide rather than central Bosnian - One for the future Hoever - rusty after injury Rose - Never held his place after a decent debut Mcnally - Been on the bench primarily. Average. Wesley - Very poor signing. Not sure we play to his strengths though. - Playing Laurent every game has been a problem. He’s been poor and is not a leader. - 3 at the back is plain daft and doesn’t work - Too many injuries have really impacted Agree with that Cobham and enough for the right man to work with
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 19:02:13 GMT
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Post by Davef on Oct 7, 2023 19:02:13 GMT
You've looked into your crystal ball to come up with that rubbish have you? Bit rude mister. I don't need a crystal ball. Just a look back over a few seasons at our football club. That post doesn't make a lot of sense. Unless you think that we definitely wouldn't have been relegated had we not sacked Jones or O'Neill. Which, of course, is pure conjecture.
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 19:07:19 GMT
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 7, 2023 19:07:19 GMT
If he keeps picking Laurent, we will keep losing more than we win, we are playing with 10 when he is on the pitch.
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 19:10:31 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 7, 2023 19:10:31 GMT
I don’t think the recruitment / scoutings been that bad. The bigger problem is players who were already here and players that have been let go. Travers - Improvement Junior - excellent Vidigal - class but missed most of the games after no previous injury issues Mmaee - Jury still out but injured most of the season Burger - Looks a good player but not sure he’s been used in the right way Pearson - Decent but underperformed Johnson - Poor today but been OK on the whole. Another who’s never had a run of games Gooch - Good squad player. Injured Hacks - Looks decent Sampdoria man - I like but been played all over the place Bae - Looks a great prospect but been played out wide rather than central Bosnian - One for the future Hoever - rusty after injury Rose - Never held his place after a decent debut Mcnally - Been on the bench primarily. Average. Wesley - Very poor signing. Not sure we play to his strengths though. - Playing Laurent every game has been a problem. He’s been poor and is not a leader. - 3 at the back is plain daft and doesn’t work - Too many injuries have really impacted Agree with that Cibham and enough for the right man to work with We looked excellent v Rotherham (granted they were poor) but if he’d stuck with that formation I can guarantee we’d be on more points now. Instead he went back to pissing about with 3 at the back and killing our creativity in CM With players fit we have a decent side that would be good to watch Travers Hoever Wilmot McNally Junior (what a player) Pearson Burger (sitting) Vidigal Bae Hacks Mmaee or Tezgal
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 19:12:53 GMT
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Post by peterthornesboots on Oct 7, 2023 19:12:53 GMT
Results are dreadful and it can’t carry on for sure but I just see another massive rift ahead with Martin being the main man at the minute and his mate.Coates must be wondering about Dublin and the recruitment that’s taken place also but like you say we can’t string a run of results together which is vital in this league I don’t think the recruitment / scoutings been that bad. The bigger problem is players who were already here and players that have been let go. Travers - Improvement Junior - excellent Vidigal - class but missed most of the games after no previous injury issues Mmaee - Jury still out but injured most of the season Burger - Looks a good player but not sure he’s been used in the right way Pearson - Decent but underperformed Johnson - Poor today but been OK on the whole. Another who’s never had a run of games Gooch - Good squad player. Injured Hacks - Looks decent Sampdoria man - I like but been played all over the place Bae - Looks a great prospect but been played out wide rather than central Bosnian - One for the future Hoever - rusty after injury Rose - Never held his place after a decent debut Mcnally - Been on the bench primarily. Average. Wesley - Very poor signing. Not sure we play to his strengths though. - Playing Laurent every game has been a problem. He’s been poor and is not a leader. - 3 at the back is plain daft and doesn’t work - Too many injuries have really impacted - Never thought I’d say it but Brown has been a huge loss re his work rate I still think that the current group of players have the potential to be competitive in this division if they are utilised and coached in the right way. The biggest mistake we made in the summer was not bringing in enough defensive recruits. Our defensive injury crisis is partly of our own making. The second biggest recruit was failing to sign a proven striker at this level. We are currently having to rely on a young lad to spearhead our attack (which is a massive ask).
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 19:17:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2023 19:17:58 GMT
I hate to recall harry redknapp, as everyone will start laughing and start talking about when the world was in black in white .
But I can remember him saying many years ago, that he knows it's different at a top club like Liverpool , because his son plays for Liverpool.
But at West ham, Portsmouth, Stoke etc , the basic training ground work, back post run for a near post finish, creating overloads , 3 rd man runs, anything that is NOT thinking in straight lines, makes the difference.
It's as if, because the players don't have the football brain , to NOT think in straight lines, then the coach has to do that bit for them!
If the players don't have magic in their boots , good coaching, good training ground work on being smart as a team... back post run for near post finish, creating overloads, 3 rd man runs etc , will make a difference on match day .
I know that is a basic point but I believe it is still true.
It's just unfortunate that AN doesn't serve that up on match day at the Bet 365 .
I certainly haven't noticed it .
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 19:18:25 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Oct 7, 2023 19:18:25 GMT
Bit rude mister. I don't need a crystal ball. Just a look back over a few seasons at our football club. That post doesn't make a lot of sense. Unless you think that we definitely wouldn't have been relegated had we not sacked Jones or O'Neill. Which, of course, is pure conjecture. We've gone from shit manager to even shitter manager in a few years. What makes you think the next appointment will be any better. Almost all of our fan base(even you I suspect) had a tingle of excitement this summer with the new signings. We need to give this new regime a genuine chance of getting stuff right and developing a team. They've made mistakes already of course (Wes) and not recruiting another left sided defender. But let's give them a fair crack of the whip and give them a chance.
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 19:26:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2023 19:26:10 GMT
It's ironic really that AN talks as if he was the Pep Gaurdiola of the championship and yet is the least tactical manager, in the championship. Yes , he keeps endlessly chopping and changing everything. But that is not a tactic. That's the result of being indecisive. Do you see Stoke marking touch tight at set pieces for instance? No Do you see Stoke getting into 2 banks of four , with the midfield dropping deep when we lose the ball? No Do we watch Stoke attacks ,saying things like...we have got an over load down our right side again ? Or that was clever how they worked that the 3rd man run ? I didn't see that coming. No . If you ignore a catalogue of major weaknesses, like not knowing what he should be doing when their winger has him one v one ! Then I will grant you, Hoever loves a 3 rd man run , but that's seems to be because he personally , just does his own thing for 90 mins ( for good or for bad ! ) rather than a team tactic. The idea that AN is tactical for me is myth . He talks endlessly about tactics, but come match day we actually don't have a co ordinated plan to block the opposition's route to goal ( eg two banks of four) or create opportunities for ourselves , be it overloads , 3 rd man runs or anything else . We did the two banks of four today and it was relatively effective as long as Leicester didn’t move the ball quickly. He also maintained it until the end of the game, even at 2-0 down! Was almost like Pulis has been brought in as a defensive adviser. If he was to stick to that , then it's not the worst idea for defending your goal . I would be happy with that. Going forward is another story, we need to play as a team and not think in straight lines. Have something ( anything!) To our game that surprises the opposition and leaves them wrong footed for a second.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 7, 2023 19:27:55 GMT
Neil Martin and Jared have got us relegated no doubt in my mind it’s a sunderland till I die catastrophe season written all over it , so any appointment needs to reflect that , no point hiring red Adair then sacking him in May , we need to think past disaster btwce ourselves for 30 plus games dominated by failure and rebuild from the mess they have created
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 19:40:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2023 19:40:15 GMT
Neil Martin and Jared have got us relegated no doubt in my mind it’s a sunderland till I die catastrophe season written all over it , so any appointment needs to reflect that , no point hiring red Adair then sacking him in May , we need to think past disaster btwce ourselves for 30 plus games dominated by failure and rebuild from the mess they have created So when you say any new signing needs to reflect that, do you mean someone who has to keep us up this season or someone who can build us up from next season?
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 19:41:42 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Oct 7, 2023 19:41:42 GMT
Neil Martin and Jared have got us relegated no doubt in my mind it’s a sunderland till I die catastrophe season written all over it , so any appointment needs to reflect that , no point hiring red Adair then sacking him in May , we need to think past disaster btwce ourselves for 30 plus games dominated by failure and rebuild from the mess they have created No one in the history of football has ever been relegated after 11 games.
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