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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 16:18:14 GMT
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Post by bagnallboothen on Oct 7, 2023 16:18:14 GMT
It's got Chris Wilder written all over it, known for 3 centre backs and attacking wing backs.
Good job we've got plenty of both ...
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 16:18:22 GMT
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Post by Block 26 on Oct 7, 2023 16:18:22 GMT
It's going to go the same we it always does with these owners, we will sack him too late and have to get a manager in the save us from going down. This will mean we will not attract the caliber of manager that will take us forward as a club. We will finish 16th again, the board will say they belive this is the right manager to take us forward, he will sign a new squad in the summer and we will he back in the same position in 18 months. We need to be proactive, sack him now while this season is still salvageable! Spot on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2023 16:18:37 GMT
With respect, I was roundly abused and mocked on here for saying the exact same when we were here under MON last year. Sorry to say I've been proven right. You are right of course but let's not pretend the next man will be any better than this one because the long, long history going back to January 2018 proves it's going to be the very opposite. i remember what you said , doesn’t make it right though , AGAIN you can’t carry on losing week in week out , Yeah we need better ppl making the decision who we bring in but that won’t happen , but imo we got get rid and try again , i don’t care if we have to do that a thousand times till we get a good manager , because losing is losing , i want us win The owners need to draw a line in the sand here and make a genuine attempt to change how they work. Bringing in the managers mate as a Technical Director isn't it. It isn't even playing at it. It's just rank lazy. They need a real football brain alongside them to guide them. If they can't change then swapping managers won't make a jot of difference. If they don't want to change then they are holding the club back regardless of their wealth.
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Post by satoshi on Oct 7, 2023 16:19:10 GMT
It's going to go the same we it always does with these owners, we will sack him too late and have to get a manager in the save us from going down. This will mean we will not attract the caliber of manager that will take us forward as a club. We will finish 16th again, the board will say they belive this is the right manager to take us forward, he will sign a new squad in the summer and we will he back in the same position in 18 months. We need to be proactive, sack him now while this season is still salvageable! Has to happen now.
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 16:19:49 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 7, 2023 16:19:49 GMT
I want him gone but he's pretty limited with the squad today It’s his fault blatantly ignoring the defense and a forward but we did massively overload on other areas. He needs sacking He didn't really ignore the defence did he, we obviously needed another CB in but we also signed 4 full backs and 2 CBs. It didn't help that he also fell for the Wilmot love in though.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Oct 7, 2023 16:20:26 GMT
He'd be gone now if we'd not turned the Bristol result round.......
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 16:20:56 GMT
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Post by victoria on Oct 7, 2023 16:20:56 GMT
Two weeks off. We need 6 points from the next four matches to keep us on track for 5o+ points at the end of the season. Let see. Next set of matches are surely a reflection on how our season is going to go are you serious, Coates was expecting a promotion challenge , so was Neil ( his own words ) sadly not. We have played 11 games. We have 10 points. We have 35 matchesto go. So 6 points from each group of 5 games would mean us ending the season with 52 points.
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Post by jay1610 on Oct 7, 2023 16:21:43 GMT
Strange tweet from Percy. Wonder if he's heard anything? Very, very interesting. Percy has direct contact at board level. This tweet won’t have been sent without a conversation informing it. Thin ice for AN.
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Post by Block 26 on Oct 7, 2023 16:21:43 GMT
I backed him up until the Hull game, Completely clueless on the touchline.
This is Stoke though, he ain’t going anywhere anytime soon.
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Post by stokeuk474 on Oct 7, 2023 16:23:00 GMT
I'm not a fan of Neil. Since we brought him in, i've never thought this bloke is going to get us promoted. Losing away to teams like Leicester isn't going to get him sacked, but losing at home to teams like Hull will. The damage has already been done and he's practically a dead man walking with the fixtures we've got after the international break.
I think they will give him until the next break in mid Nov but they were ruthless with MON so wouldn't be surprised to see him go in the next few days.
However, I can't really blame him for setting up how he did today. We had 2 midfielders playing at the back against the team top of the league, won 10/11 and if we went after them and pressed high up, they would've torn us a new one. He had no choice but the protect the defence by staying deep and compact, then try and get after them in the 2nd half. We did well to keep it to 1-0 until late, and manage to create one or two openings.
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Post by biddulphchav on Oct 7, 2023 16:24:32 GMT
For once I’d like to see us be proactive. Neil is bleeding to death, cut his head off now and save us all the suffering of the inevitable.
We really should have targets lined up and be ready to move on this. He’s not turning this around
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 16:25:03 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 7, 2023 16:25:03 GMT
Strange tweet from Percy. Wonder if he's heard anything? Very, very interesting. Percy has direct contact at board level. This tweet won’t have been sent without a conversation informing it. Thin ice for AN. Or just looking at the table and tweeting it out which is pretty much all that is.
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 16:25:47 GMT
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Post by pavel on Oct 7, 2023 16:25:47 GMT
i remember what you said , doesn’t make it right though , AGAIN you can’t carry on losing week in week out , Yeah we need better ppl making the decision who we bring in but that won’t happen , but imo we got get rid and try again , i don’t care if we have to do that a thousand times till we get a good manager , because losing is losing , i want us win The owners need to draw a line in the sand here and make a genuine attempt to change how they work. Bringing in the managers mate as a Technical Director isn't it. It isn't even playing at it. It's just rank lazy. They need a real football brain alongside them to guide them. If they can't change then swapping managers won't make a jot of difference. If they don't want to change then they are holding the club back regardless of their wealth. Plus a new football centric chairman who can be held to account by the owners. Even if they bought in a manager in the short term to suit the players we have would be progress and possibly our only option at the moment and then build from there.
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 16:27:56 GMT
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Post by jay1610 on Oct 7, 2023 16:27:56 GMT
Very, very interesting. Percy has direct contact at board level. This tweet won’t have been sent without a conversation informing it. Thin ice for AN. Or just looking at the table and tweeting it out which is pretty much all that is. Percy has been the go-to journalist to break any Stoke-related story for the last few years. He’s not going to risk pissing off the club’s hierarchy by just tweeting out conjecture. He’s 100% had a conversation that’s convinced him to hit send on this. The axe is being sharpened.
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 16:28:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2023 16:28:34 GMT
Chris Wilder will be in the mix, as would Beale you'd think but I'd be worried that we would go for Brucie. He's better than Neil by a long stretch but just the wrong man at the wrong time a la Lambert.
Warnock at 74 would be an embarrassment.
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Post by telfordstokie on Oct 7, 2023 16:29:42 GMT
Just Googled and MON was sacked when we were fourth bottom and had one win in five league games. We’re now in same position but have one win in eight.
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Post by robstokie on Oct 7, 2023 16:29:50 GMT
It's looking pretty desperate for us ain't it? Starting to look like Wurzels away was a flash in the pan, anemic at home to a very poor Southampton side (albeit with a very poor ref who, at times acted as a 12th man) and lost today to a Leicester side who didn't have to get out of second gear. Yes, we have had injuries, but surely you use what you have got, and with what we have got is a top heavy squad so we should have gone for the throat and forced the game (some people would call today a bonus game), but it was the same tepid negative shite with the same negative subs when the game was dead. I get that going out completely gung ho would have been suicide today, but sitting in so deep allowed Leicester to build a head of steam without really breaking sweat and trying to play it out from the back allowed them to press and recover possession time and again. As soon as Leicester picked it up a little, they should have put 4 or 5 against us.
We look an absolute shambles - no quality in the final third, weak and reactive in midfield without width despite setting our with a shape that should utilize the flanks especially against their 3 at the back that they started with and leaky in defence - for a team that played with a low block we let them just walk through us at will for both the goals and got done by a simple flat long ball on a number of occasions. Not good enough, and sick of the hard luck stories and excuses that slap head wheels out each and every week, when we inevitably find another way to lose. We stink of relegation, and the stats back that up.
3 wins in 18 games. 12 points in same period, with a lot of winnable games over that period (4 points in last 8 games). Failed to score in 10 of those games. 2 clean sheets in 18 games. 7 home wins in 25.
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 16:29:57 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 7, 2023 16:29:57 GMT
Or just looking at the table and tweeting it out which is pretty much all that is. Percy has been the go-to journalist to break any Stoke-related story for the last few years. He’s not going to risk pissing off the club’s hierarchy by just tweeting out conjecture. He’s 100% had a conversation that’s convinced him to hit send on this. The axe is being sharpened. That's not really conjecture is it, fact he has been backed, fact we've hardly won any, fact it's worrying.
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 16:31:00 GMT
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Post by st3mark on Oct 7, 2023 16:31:00 GMT
Chris Wilder will be in the mix, as would Beale you'd think but I'd be worried that we would go for Brucie. He's better than Neil by a long stretch but just the wrong man at the wrong time a la Lambert. Warnock at 74 would be an embarrassment. The next manager will have to come from abroad. The domestic options available don't suit this squad at all.
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 16:32:46 GMT
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Post by thornestein on Oct 7, 2023 16:32:46 GMT
i remember what you said , doesn’t make it right though , AGAIN you can’t carry on losing week in week out , Yeah we need better ppl making the decision who we bring in but that won’t happen , but imo we got get rid and try again , i don’t care if we have to do that a thousand times till we get a good manager , because losing is losing , i want us win The owners need to draw a line in the sand here and make a genuine attempt to change how they work. Bringing in the managers mate as a Technical Director isn't it. It isn't even playing at it. It's just rank lazy. They need a real football brain alongside them to guide them. If they can't change then swapping managers won't make a jot of difference. If they don't want to change then they are holding the club back regardless of their wealth. so we carry on being relegation fodder 🤷♂️
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 7, 2023 16:33:08 GMT
Sack him tonight
Need to act decisively.
I’d hoped he’d do it, he won’t.
It’s getting worse…
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 16:34:48 GMT
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Post by telfordstokie on Oct 7, 2023 16:34:48 GMT
Chris Wilder will be in the mix, as would Beale you'd think but I'd be worried that we would go for Brucie. He's better than Neil by a long stretch but just the wrong man at the wrong time a la Lambert. Warnock at 74 would be an embarrassment. The next manager will have to come from abroad. The domestic options available don't suit this squad at all. Trouble with that is we then end up with a squad and manager with incredibly limited experience of this division which could make things even worse. Maybe Ralph Hasenhuttl might be an option - did ok at Southampton in the Prem for a good few years with a similar type of squad.
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Post by thornestein on Oct 7, 2023 16:34:59 GMT
It’s his fault blatantly ignoring the defense and a forward but we did massively overload on other areas. He needs sacking He didn't really ignore the defence did he, we obviously needed another CB in but we also signed 4 full backs and 2 CBs. It didn't help that he also fell for the Wilmot love in though. only 1 LB , and don’t give me the bollocks the others have played there , probably less than 10 games between ,stop making excuses it’s going you look a fool sooner than later
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 16:35:27 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 7, 2023 16:35:27 GMT
He didn't really ignore the defence did he, we obviously needed another CB in but we also signed 4 full backs and 2 CBs. It didn't help that he also fell for the Wilmot love in though. only 1 LB , and don’t give me the bollocks the others have played there , probably less than 10 games between ,stop making excuses it’s going you look a fool sooner than later Jr plays both sides. Edit: and is clearly good at it.
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 16:36:41 GMT
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Post by pavel on Oct 7, 2023 16:36:41 GMT
It’s his fault blatantly ignoring the defense and a forward but we did massively overload on other areas. He needs sacking He didn't really ignore the defence did he, we obviously needed another CB in but we also signed 4 full backs and 2 CBs. It didn't help that he also fell for the Wilmot love in though. Didn’t he bring in a full back who has had a history of injuries recently and not to get another CB in was criminal really in respect Wilmot had just recovered from a back injury. Poor from Neil and the recruitment team.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Oct 7, 2023 16:36:59 GMT
I don’t think we’ve lost heavily enough in either of the last two games for them to trigger anything, but when you break it down like that, it’s plainly dreadful. He’s got two weeks and two games after that to save his job in my opinion. We have to hope that at least 5 of the injured players are back for Sunderland so we can field an actual team. Then hope something comes together very quickly. If he doesn’t win at least one then I think it could be curtains.
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Post by gawa on Oct 7, 2023 16:37:06 GMT
To be fair mate you seem completely unbothered by the prospect of relegation getting closer with each passing week and you're only interested in trying to protect Alex Neil. You were even blaming young Nathan Lowe in the match day thread and once again Alex Neil escapes criticism. Everyone but Alex Neil that's to blame with you. Everyone but MON was to blame with you. Aye I know that and I didn't pretend otherwise either? I made it clear that my views may have been bias. MON is the only manager to leave this club in a better position than when he came in for a good while. And that's a fact.
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 16:38:21 GMT
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Post by thornestein on Oct 7, 2023 16:38:21 GMT
only 1 LB , and don’t give me the bollocks the others have played there , probably less than 10 games between ,stop making excuses it’s going you look a fool sooner than later Jr plays both sides. lmfao how many games as he , 5 -6 , don’t be stupid
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Alex Neil
Oct 7, 2023 16:38:23 GMT
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Post by werrington on Oct 7, 2023 16:38:23 GMT
Everyone but MON was to blame with you. Aye I know that and I didn't pretend otherwise either? I made it clear that my views may have been bias. MON is the only manager to leave this club in a better position than when he came in for a good while. And that's a fact. Is it bollocks He left a shambles
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Post by sensiblestokie on Oct 7, 2023 16:39:27 GMT
I get he hasn’t got the perfect environment to flourish. Almost a brand new squad, injuries haven’t been kind etc.
But I just can’t stand the fact that he doesn’t have a go, he always sets up to defend which isn’t too bad if we have the strikeforce to consistently put away a little amount of chances. But we haven’t.
He plays players who clearly are playing shite or have been shite and they seem undroppable. It’s just shite negative football to watch.
Be a bit braver and believe in some of your talent for fuck sake.
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