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Post by mrcoke on Sept 23, 2023 20:24:26 GMT
He says in the Sentinel that they don't really practice set plays/corners, as such. Maybe that's why we're no good at defending them! As an old timer, that sounds shocking to me. It's no wonder we keep allowing opponents to have "free headers". What happened to " Practice Makes Perfect"?I also find it highly annoying when we have a free kick there appears to be a debate as to what they are going to do. Surely the squad should be drilled so they know exactly what they are going to do and what each person's role is?
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Sept 24, 2023 10:25:14 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Sept 24, 2023 10:25:14 GMT
If it’s down to the manager the last 5/6 must have been an equally wank bunch. We didn’t hit 50 in any of or 10 premier league seasons and Stoke 0 has been an all too familiar score line in all our seasons since in the championship. Even when we’ve had spells where we’ve scored more freely early MON and peak AN we’ve still been shut out far far to regularly. I’d far rather we got that monkey off our backs than keeping a few extra clean sheets. IMO teams that don’t score goals don’t really deserve much success and in the modern era seldom get any. I’d be sorely tempted to use the points system to make it even less likely for teams that fail to score to take anything from the game by maybe a penalty shootout at the end of a goalless draw for a solitary point and I’d only do that to stop contrived results, I’d really like both to come away with nothing. The game needs ridding of the keep what we start with mentality. Our managers in the Championship have been pretty poor on the whole, as for the Premier league its a totally different ball game and can’t be compared. What I’m saying though is we can’t keep blaming the players, they all can’t be useless, so is it the coaching, set up, tactics, managers or all of it, we just don’t know but we have had a reset throughout the club this time and a huge turnover of players and coaches since being in the championship but we’re still getting the basics wrong in all areas of the pitch. It’s really puzzling and hard to understand how we can’t break free of it. Perhaps it’s a lack of identity or the continual chopping and changing under all the managers we’ve had since we came down, including the last season in the premiership. We seem good at identifying the problems but not able to sort them. Will it change this season, I hope so but I wouldn’t bet my life on it. The premier league isn’t a different kettle of fish at all. We had 10 seasons and never once hit 50 goals in a season. It took Bournemouth 2. Didn’t stop them getting relegated but a free scoring team when that happens is in a much better place to get re promoted. Goals are everything.
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Sept 24, 2023 10:31:05 GMT
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Post by pavel on Sept 24, 2023 10:31:05 GMT
Our managers in the Championship have been pretty poor on the whole, as for the Premier league its a totally different ball game and can’t be compared. What I’m saying though is we can’t keep blaming the players, they all can’t be useless, so is it the coaching, set up, tactics, managers or all of it, we just don’t know but we have had a reset throughout the club this time and a huge turnover of players and coaches since being in the championship but we’re still getting the basics wrong in all areas of the pitch. It’s really puzzling and hard to understand how we can’t break free of it. Perhaps it’s a lack of identity or the continual chopping and changing under all the managers we’ve had since we came down, including the last season in the premiership. We seem good at identifying the problems but not able to sort them. Will it change this season, I hope so but I wouldn’t bet my life on it. The premier league isn’t a different kettle of fish at all. We had 10 seasons and never once hit 50 goals in a season. It took Bournemouth 2. Didn’t stop them getting relegated but a free scoring team when that happens is in a much better place to get re promoted. Goals are everything. It’s totally different many teams don’t hit 50 goals in the premier league, you’re playing against some excellent defences and monied clubs. We weren’t going to do it with Tony but for 3 seasons with Hughes we player some great stuff and scored when it mattered, you can’t ask for much more than that and 3 top half finishes playing exciting football.
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Sept 24, 2023 10:36:05 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Sept 24, 2023 10:36:05 GMT
The premier league isn’t a different kettle of fish at all. We had 10 seasons and never once hit 50 goals in a season. It took Bournemouth 2. Didn’t stop them getting relegated but a free scoring team when that happens is in a much better place to get re promoted. Goals are everything. It’s totally different many teams don’t hit 50 goals in the premier league, you’re playing against some excellent defences and monied clubs. We weren’t going to do it with Tony but for 3 seasons with Hughes we player some great stuff and scored when it mattered, you can’t ask for much more than that and 3 top half finishes playing exciting football. Really? If that Bournemouth squad under Eddie Howe can do it in 2 it shouldn’t have been too much to ask in 10. Peak Hughes was excellent but we still didn’t score enough goals.
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Sept 24, 2023 10:55:44 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 24, 2023 10:55:44 GMT
The play offs were always totally unrealistic , I agree.
We need to leave that crazy talk to the bigger clubs with their power spending and big profile managers like Ipswich, Plymouth etc. Luton last season
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Post by baconburger on Sept 24, 2023 10:57:53 GMT
The play offs were always totally unrealistic , I agree. We need to leave that crazy talk to the bigger clubs with their power spending and big profile managers like Ipswich, Plymouth etc. Luton last season The play offs weren’t and aren’t unrealistic.
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Sept 24, 2023 11:01:06 GMT
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Post by pavel on Sept 24, 2023 11:01:06 GMT
It’s totally different many teams don’t hit 50 goals in the premier league, you’re playing against some excellent defences and monied clubs. We weren’t going to do it with Tony but for 3 seasons with Hughes we player some great stuff and scored when it mattered, you can’t ask for much more than that and 3 top half finishes playing exciting football. Really? If that Bournemouth squad under Eddie Howe can do it in 2 it shouldn’t have been too much to ask in 10. Peak Hughes was excellent but we still didn’t score enough goals. Let’s just say we have to differ here, but certainly in the championship we have been woeful.
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Post by george2again on Sept 24, 2023 11:34:40 GMT
He’s gone in my opinion. When is the question? Get rid before or after our next run of difficult fixtures. Thing is with Neil, there’s never any plan or consistency. Playing it by ear most of the time.
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Sept 24, 2023 11:34:55 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 24, 2023 11:34:55 GMT
The play offs were always totally unrealistic , I agree. We need to leave that crazy talk to the bigger clubs with their power spending and big profile managers like Ipswich, Plymouth etc. Luton last season The play offs weren’t and aren’t unrealistic. Really? You shock me
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Post by glpotter on Sept 24, 2023 11:35:33 GMT
Get fucked Neil
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 24, 2023 11:35:53 GMT
We can't sack the squad so there's only one answer, get him gone.
(Even if we comeback)
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Sept 24, 2023 11:36:01 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 24, 2023 11:36:01 GMT
Apparently you don't understand football if you don't have faith in Neil 😁
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Post by mrrine on Sept 24, 2023 11:36:15 GMT
I truly hope we have a shit-clause in the contract that says: If you're this bad with this group of players, you owe us your entire salary back as well as three years hard labour.
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Post by glpotter on Sept 24, 2023 11:37:14 GMT
Once again he’s got it wrong from The start
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Post by jeycov on Sept 24, 2023 11:37:16 GMT
Fair play he’s making a change So far just a slight chance VAR would have helped us out Not sure I would have subbed Wouter
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 24, 2023 11:38:01 GMT
Here come the hopeful subs...you started this team you clown
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Sept 24, 2023 11:39:15 GMT
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Post by glpotter on Sept 24, 2023 11:39:15 GMT
Here come the hopeful subs...you started this team you clown He’s got it wrong so many times
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 24, 2023 11:39:26 GMT
Get Warnock in till the end of the season to sort this shambles out
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Post by dadger on Sept 24, 2023 11:39:31 GMT
Get potter in now
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Sept 24, 2023 11:39:43 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 24, 2023 11:39:43 GMT
Here come the hopeful subs...you started this team you clown He’s got it wrong so many times I think it's known as ...almost every game
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Sept 24, 2023 11:40:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 11:40:02 GMT
Yeah I’ve had enough to be fair.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Sept 24, 2023 11:40:22 GMT
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Post by jeycov on Sept 24, 2023 11:40:28 GMT
Wesley - hope we play to his strengths
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Post by wonderwall on Sept 24, 2023 11:40:58 GMT
Just another bullshitter in the long line of bullshitters.
Poor appointment again by John Coates.
Let your old man get back in the chair please.
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Post by stokie1947 on Sept 24, 2023 11:41:23 GMT
really think this useless board haven't a clue where managers are concerned
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Post by chell_rosey on Sept 24, 2023 11:42:15 GMT
I've been on the fence as far as Neil is concerned but have to say I'm rapidly losing faith now. Just what is the plan? I GENUINELY don't think the manager knows.
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 24, 2023 11:42:19 GMT
Get Warnock in till the end of the season to sort this shambles out Thinking the same….sure he’d do a job.
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Sept 24, 2023 11:43:02 GMT
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Post by coldtuesdaynight on Sept 24, 2023 11:43:02 GMT
He’s gone in my opinion. When is the question? Get rid before or after our next run of difficult fixtures. Thing is with Neil, there’s never any plan or consistency. Playing it by ear most of the time. It’s honestly so bad I think we have to go down the interim manager until the international break route (unless we have someone lined up already, which feels a bit ruthless after 8 games even for a football club)
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Sept 24, 2023 11:45:55 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 24, 2023 11:45:55 GMT
He’s gone in my opinion. When is the question? Get rid before or after our next run of difficult fixtures. Thing is with Neil, there’s never any plan or consistency. Playing it by ear most of the time. It’s honestly so bad I think we have to go down the interim manager until the international break route (unless we have someone lined up already, which feels a bit ruthless after 8 games even for a football club) It's worse than last season by some distance and he didn't last. No doubt we'll hear...should have had a penalty, should have, could have etc in his interview
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Post by ibby on Sept 24, 2023 11:46:55 GMT
I'm rapidly losing faith now he has to go.
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