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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 20, 2023 15:15:15 GMT
My argument is if players are getting into goal scoring positions sooner or later they're going to start taking them. I'd be a lot more concerned if we were not getting into goalscoring positions. Are you trying to tell me that it was Alex Neil's fault Dwight Gayle kicked thin air from 3 yards out? That's on him is it? The buck stops with the manager, and we lost against Norwich. So that, all of it, everything, is on AN. That’s the way it works. And it also does so in reverse. If Gayle comes on and equalised we’d all be praising the decision to bring him on. Sooner rather than later we shall see what happens, but honestly, over the last 40 something games it hasn’t been great. Ok he has a new team now, but so far the results have been worse than they were last season. The manager is responsible for that, and he’ll be responsible for whatever happens now. In some cases you can make a mitigating case for a manager who has been really unlucky (injuries, best players sold and not replaced etc etc) but Neil has been fully backed this summer so I don’t really care what happens in the games but I expect results. Not in a few weeks, or months, he needs to start to deliver. All of this ‘chances missed’ ‘we’re getting in good positions’ is just an excuse. This is where we differ then, I'll wait I don't expect a 3 minute microwave readymeal. So will Coates after backing him. Thank the lord unrealistic loons on here don't represent the majority, you'll have to just grin and bare it then won't you, enjoy.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 20, 2023 16:03:32 GMT
May not have time but it still needs to gel, so blows nothing out 😂 Didn't have you down as a fanboy but each to their own, I suppose Not a fan boy but every team, regardless of manager, that's had such an upheaval as ours has needs time to gel.
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Post by Timmy on Sept 20, 2023 16:04:52 GMT
2 wins out of the next 2 and back to the messiah
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 20, 2023 16:07:46 GMT
Didn't have you down as a fanboy but each to their own, I suppose Not a fan boy but every team, regardless of manager, that's had such an upheaval as ours has needs time to gel. Not a direct comparison but Steve Cooper had 20 plus players thrown at him last season in the Premier league and made a good fist of it. A much tougher league. I dunno. But its looking dicey for AN. He's got to get them firing soon or we'll have to conclude he's messed it up.
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Post by gawa on Sept 20, 2023 16:12:27 GMT
Not a fan boy but every team, regardless of manager, that's had such an upheaval as ours has needs time to gel. Not a direct comparison but Steve Cooper had 20 plus players thrown at him last season in the Premier league and made a good fist of it. A much tougher league. I dunno. But its looking dicey for AN. He's got to get them firing soon or we'll have to conclude he's messed it up. Pretty sure Forest were adrift in the relegation zone of the Championship when he took over too.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 20, 2023 16:15:50 GMT
Didn't have you down as a fanboy but each to their own, I suppose Not a fan boy but every team, regardless of manager, that's had such an upheaval as ours has needs time to gel. It's almost like 'fanboy' is a childish, unhelpful term that doesn't allow for nuance, isn't it?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Sept 20, 2023 16:17:39 GMT
Not a direct comparison but Steve Cooper had 20 plus players thrown at him last season in the Premier league and made a good fist of it. A much tougher league. I dunno. But its looking dicey for AN. He's got to get them firing soon or we'll have to conclude he's messed it up. Pretty sure Forest were adrift in the relegation zone of the Championship when he took over too. Aye fair point. AN had better up his game then.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Sept 20, 2023 16:20:33 GMT
Didn't have you down as a fanboy but each to their own, I suppose Not a fan boy but every team, regardless of manager, that's had such an upheaval as ours has needs time to gel. From the Huddersfield press conference: "This is a team that's been put together in the last six weeks". When you put it like that, it shows how ridiculous it is that some folk think they're being generous but suggesting he's got three games to sort it out. I'm not concerned with league position and won't be at any point this assuming we aren't cut adrift at the bottom, which we won't be. You see, year on year, teams who are bottom half, 10-12 points off the play-offs, who end up in the mix come the end of the season, although some people seem to have written our season off already...
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Post by ceejays on Sept 20, 2023 16:24:05 GMT
Not a fan boy but every team, regardless of manager, that's had such an upheaval as ours has needs time to gel. From the Huddersfield press conference: "This is a team that's been put together in the last six weeks". When you put it like that, it shows how ridiculous it is that some folk think they're being generous but suggesting he's got three games to sort it out. I'm not concerned with league position and won't be at any point this assuming we aren't cut adrift at the bottom, which we won't be. You see, year on year, teams who are bottom half, 10-12 points off the play-offs, who end up in the mix come the end of the season, although some people seem to have written our season off already... The noise supporters create may seem negative but it does get through to them . A kick up the bum is required atm . Let’s see if it motivates them tonight
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 20, 2023 16:30:04 GMT
Since the Coventry win our form in the league reads
LDLLDLL / WLWLLL
Scoring 7 goals in the process, 4 of which were against Rotherham.
Not many managers would survive that regardless of summer rebuilds or not.
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Post by thornestein on Sept 20, 2023 16:31:28 GMT
Since the Coventry win our form in the league reads LDLLDLL / WLWLL Scoring 7 goals in the process, 4 of which were against Rotherham. Not many managers would survive that regardless of summer rebuilds or not. with our next 7 fixture it’s likely get a lot worse as well
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 20, 2023 16:32:41 GMT
For me on New Years Day if the league position is:
10th or above - keep him.
11th to 21st - have a replacement on speed dial, see how the window goes, if it's fixed, keep him. If not see below.
22nd to 24th sack him and hope there is someone who can come in (like MON) to save the ship. But make it clear go down and you are gone (Lambert)
My mind hasn't changed since I posted that on 2nd Sept.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 20, 2023 16:38:35 GMT
2 wins out of the next 2 and back to the messiah Such is the fickle nature of football! 😂 However, AN does need some quick results to provide him with some time and ease the pressure.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 20, 2023 16:40:37 GMT
For me on New Years Day if the league position is: 10th or above - keep him. 11th to 21st - have a replacement on speed dial, see how the window goes, if it's fixed, keep him. If not see below. 22nd to 24th sack him and hope there is someone who can come in (like MON) to save the ship. But make it clear go down and you are gone (Lambert) My mind hasn't changed since I posted that on 2nd Sept. That is what you think (which I mostly agree with), but what does Jon Coates think? I wonder if we are completely invested in AN to such an extent that only an absolute disaster would see him replaced this season?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 20, 2023 16:43:54 GMT
For me on New Years Day if the league position is: 10th or above - keep him. 11th to 21st - have a replacement on speed dial, see how the window goes, if it's fixed, keep him. If not see below. 22nd to 24th sack him and hope there is someone who can come in (like MON) to save the ship. But make it clear go down and you are gone (Lambert) My mind hasn't changed since I posted that on 2nd Sept. That is what you think (which I mostly agree with), but what does Jon Coates think? I wonder if we are completely invested in AN to such an extent that only an absolute disaster would see him replaced this season? If we’re in the relegation zone on New Year’s Day he’ll be on his way if not long gone by then.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 20, 2023 16:46:11 GMT
That is what you think (which I mostly agree with), but what does Jon Coates think? I wonder if we are completely invested in AN to such an extent that only an absolute disaster would see him replaced this season? If we’re in the relegation zone on New Year’s Day he’ll be on his way if not long gone by then. AN better get his arse in gear then! 😂
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 20, 2023 16:54:41 GMT
For me on New Years Day if the league position is: 10th or above - keep him. 11th to 21st - have a replacement on speed dial, see how the window goes, if it's fixed, keep him. If not see below. 22nd to 24th sack him and hope there is someone who can come in (like MON) to save the ship. But make it clear go down and you are gone (Lambert) My mind hasn't changed since I posted that on 2nd Sept. That is what you think (which I mostly agree with), but what does Jon Coates think? I wonder if we are completely invested in AN to such an extent that only an absolute disaster would see him replaced this season? I'm hoping he's got some kind of similar model rather than a 'good' 'ok' 'not so good' 'bad' opinion based feeling about it all. Given the new data driven club I'd hope so but who knows?
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Post by questionable on Sept 20, 2023 17:06:52 GMT
But haven’t we had these new players on our radar for some time who play a certain way in certain positions so surely they should fit in and know what’s expected from them quite easily/early on??
It’s s total miss match of mostly everything and even AN has said on two occasions he’s got things wrong, sorry but he’s been backed quite well, overloading on certain positions and criminally over looking the massive gaps we had last season.
I can see this season being yet another balls up on the field whilst we make profits on some of the new additions then we start all over again next season
AN/NJ both charlatans for me.
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Post by bigvern on Sept 20, 2023 17:21:52 GMT
2 wins out of the next 2 and back to the messiah Going on current form he's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Sept 20, 2023 17:29:53 GMT
But haven’t we had these new players on our radar for some time who play a certain way in certain positions so surely they should fit in and know what’s expected from them quite easily/early on?? It’s s total miss match of mostly everything and even AN has said on two occasions he’s got things wrong, sorry but he’s been backed quite well, overloading on certain positions and criminally over looking the massive gaps we had last season. I can see this season being yet another balls up on the field whilst we make profits on some of the new additions then we start all over again next season AN/NJ both charlatans for me. Hang on, you're right. Why hasn't that 19 year old Korean lad who doesn't speak English have a telepathic understanding of football with the 19 year old Sebian lad who he met for the first time about three weeks ago? They're either grifters, chancers or both and it stinks. Neil Out.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2023 17:31:40 GMT
Since the Coventry win our form in the league reads LDLLDLL / WLWLL Scoring 7 goals in the process, 4 of which were against Rotherham. Not many managers would survive that regardless of summer rebuilds or not. Jesus Christ, I thought it was bad and hoped it wasn't, therefore I didn't look at the stats, but that is shockingly bad. Appalling infact. 12 games, 8 points gathered: 0.6ppg. Forget 4 points this week, I think he needs 6.
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 20, 2023 17:32:59 GMT
With Chris Wilder still without a job and having worked with Jarred Dublin still without a job😉
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Post by Biblical on Sept 20, 2023 17:33:35 GMT
Since the Coventry win our form in the league reads LDLLDLL / WLWLL Scoring 7 goals in the process, 4 of which were against Rotherham. Not many managers would survive that regardless of summer rebuilds or not. Can’t agree with you at all on this. First of all the reason for the summer rebuild is that the squad was so shit last season. After the summer rebuild we’ve won 2 games and the losses have been narrow defeats. We’ve seen plenty of things we need to improve on but nothing that warrants the manager potentially being sacked, irregardless of how last season ended.
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Post by Biblical on Sept 20, 2023 17:34:34 GMT
Since the Coventry win our form in the league reads LDLLDLL / WLWLL Scoring 7 goals in the process, 4 of which were against Rotherham. Not many managers would survive that regardless of summer rebuilds or not. Jesus Christ, I thought it was bad and hoped it wasn't, therefore I didn't look at the stats, but that is shockingly bad. Appalling infact. 12 games, 8 points gathered: 0.6ppg. Forget 4 points this week, I think he needs 6. Needs 6 for what reason?
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Post by DodgyDino on Sept 20, 2023 17:35:16 GMT
Personally for me I think you need to see how things are progressing in November...... massive changes in the playing squad as well as backroom staff, so we'd be very lucky if things gelled straight away. Biggest Concern for me is central defence where ive been saying for a couple of seasons that we needed a couple of commanding centrehalves that would bully opposition forwards.... personally I think those that we have are too soft... Also can't say I'm a big fan of Laurent, drifts in and out of games.. but mainly out.
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 20, 2023 17:38:52 GMT
Since the Coventry win our form in the league reads LDLLDLL / WLWLL Scoring 7 goals in the process, 4 of which were against Rotherham. Not many managers would survive that regardless of summer rebuilds or not. Can’t agree with you at all on this. First of all the reason for the summer rebuild is that the squad was so shit last season. After the summer rebuild we’ve won 2 games and the losses have been narrow defeats. We’ve seen plenty of things we need to improve on but nothing that warrants the manager potentially being sacked, irregardless of how last season ended. We’ve scored in two games out of six and have failed to scored away from home up to yet. The players might have changed but we’ve basically carried on like we did at the end of the season. He simply has to start picking up results, starting with tonight.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 20, 2023 17:39:41 GMT
If AN is sacked, do his backroom staff go with him too?
Apart from Compo for all of them, plus bringing in a new man with his backroom staff, can we afford it?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2023 17:39:51 GMT
Jesus Christ, I thought it was bad and hoped it wasn't, therefore I didn't look at the stats, but that is shockingly bad. Appalling infact. 12 games, 8 points gathered: 0.6ppg. Forget 4 points this week, I think he needs 6. Needs 6 for what reason? For the simple reason that if he doesn't get 6 points the winter will see record snow.
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Post by Biblical on Sept 20, 2023 17:42:27 GMT
For the simple reason that if he doesn't get 6 points the winter will see record snow. Makes sense.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 20, 2023 17:43:29 GMT
If AN is sacked, do his backroom staff go with him too? Apart from Compo for all of them, plus bringing in a new man with his backroom staff, can we afford it? Depends on how much FFP wiggle room AN Tricky and Jared created in the last window. Oh the irony!
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