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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 19, 2023 19:19:05 GMT
It is nonsense though, if we're not getting into good enough chances to score your point is valid, you can't blame him for not scoring the chances. By nonsense you mean it is an actual fact but we've created chances.....that changes everything. The manager isn't responsible in any way ...got you now đđđ I rest my case, you can't explain anything (as usual) because you're absolutely clueless . It's like talking to a 7 year old about car mechanics |
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Sept 19, 2023 19:21:35 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 19, 2023 19:21:35 GMT
By nonsense you mean it is an actual fact but we've created chances.....that changes everything. The manager isn't responsible in any way ...got you now đđđ I rest my case, you can't explain anything (as usual) because you're absolutely clueless You rest your case as in ... the facts are nonsense as you claim . đ Speaks the fella who spelt IQ wrong... Reality is something you obviously struggle with ...nonsense as you call it I guess |
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Sept 19, 2023 19:25:41 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 19, 2023 19:25:41 GMT
I rest my case, you can't explain anything (as usual) because you're absolutely clueless You rest your case as in ... the facts are nonsense as you claim . đ Speaks the fella who spelt IQ wrong... Reality is something you obviously struggle with ...nonsense as you call it I guess It's not to difficult to grasp, if we aren't creating good enough chances for the players to score, you've got a valid argument. The fact we do create the chances and the players spoon them is out of the managers control. Change my mind. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2023 19:27:46 GMT
He couldn't be more right. absolutely the correct attitude and good to hear him coming out with it. He's the one I'm most impressed by, which is mad considering I was most underwhelmed by him out of the new signings. |
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Post by st3mark on Sept 19, 2023 19:28:01 GMT
Our previous manager had the worst injury list have ever seen and had a better points return than Neil. Is one person responsible for that By nonsense about no away goals stretching back to last season, I think you'll find is fact. Prove me wrong .....đ It's nonsense because most people realise that drought only covers 4 away matches. But you say it as though we've been playing an away match every other week since May đ |
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Sept 19, 2023 19:31:18 GMT
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 19, 2023 19:31:18 GMT
By nonsense about no away goals stretching back to last season, I think you'll find is fact. Prove me wrong .....đ It's nonsense because most people realise that drought only covers 4 away matches. But you say it as though we've been playing an away match every other week since May đ I said nothing of the sort if you read what I actually said ..I said 9 1/2 odd hours without an away goal so there goes that theory out of the window. Obviously that is claiming we played every week since May. Run the laughing face by me again đ |
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Post by st3mark on Sept 19, 2023 19:40:09 GMT
It's nonsense because most people realise that drought only covers 4 away matches. But you say it as though we've been playing an away match every other week since May đ I said nothing of the sort if you read what I actually said ..I said 9 1/2 odd hours without an away goal so there goes that theory out of the window. Obviously that is claiming we played every week since May. Run the laughing face by me again đ You never mentioned those figures to me the other day when you were still banging on about the same point. So here's the face đ And people will carry on laughing at you the longer you keep making a drongo out of yourself talking absolute crap about footballers not needing time to settle in when anyone with half a brain has always known that some players need time to do so. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 19, 2023 19:42:34 GMT
"Daddy, why aren't we going"
" because we've got a flat, I'm changing the tyre "
"But why aren't we moving"
Haha muffin
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Post by independent on Sept 19, 2023 22:05:13 GMT
a serious question: Have you seen any improvement over the last 6 games. Any signs of a growing understanding as the players gel?I've seen more individual quality, we've been unlucky in getting two injuries to two players that the manager sees as his bigger signings up front. It's just to early to judge, some of the new players have barley even put the shirt on, you don't know what they're going to offer, we might turn out to be the absolute dogs bollocks. This nonsense muffin is coming out with about no away goals stretching back to last season. If the players can't hit a barn door with a banjo ( two Neil didn't sign) whoose fault is that that stat stands? It's not the manager, the stats prove the chances are there to be taken. I want some honest opinions from you, not a fob off quote. Answer the question |
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 20, 2023 6:14:36 GMT
I've seen more individual quality, we've been unlucky in getting two injuries to two players that the manager sees as his bigger signings up front. It's just to early to judge, some of the new players have barley even put the shirt on, you don't know what they're going to offer, we might turn out to be the absolute dogs bollocks. This nonsense muffin is coming out with about no away goals stretching back to last season. If the players can't hit a barn door with a banjo ( two Neil didn't sign) whoose fault is that that stat stands? It's not the manager, the stats prove the chances are there to be taken. I want some honest opinions from you, not a fob off quote. Answer the question Well, considering vidigal scored 4 and we battered Barnsley by 6 and seen goals by our new players Vidigal, Mmaee, Wesley & Burger I'd say yes for a short period the signs were positive, but then they got injured didn't they so what do you expect in the final third if you cant get any early lineup consistency? Midfield, hard to say we've gelled as such what are you expecting from midfield so early, what are they not doing? Defence, you tell me, have we been battered yet? Again, we've had early injuries in that department as well so how do you come to a conclusion so soon? It's a stupid question that's difficult to answer with any definate conclusions after 6 games, that is exactly my point. One thing you can certainly do effectively as a team after 6 games is win the ball back, it doesn't require an understanding and guess what, we're second best in the league at it at present. You're not that clever using my fob off reply, one reason is because the difference is I answer and offer explanation in my thoughts, muffin does actually fob off, he's bluffing, he doesn't understand football at all, he never talks the mechanics of football to discuss his thinking it's just smart arsed short replies that dont invole his actual thoughts. His only argument is our run stretches through last season , it's not even a valid argument when youve got a whole new squad, for me. I'm more than willing to have a decent conversation with Muffin but he doesn't offer any, or that thornstein, like two peas in a pod |
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Post by independent on Sept 20, 2023 11:29:20 GMT
I want some honest opinions from you, not a fob off quote. Answer the question Well, considering vidigal scored 4 and we battered Barnsley by 6 and seen goals by our new players Vidigal, Mmaee, Wesley & Burger I'd say yes for a short period the signs were positive, but then they got injured didn't they so what do you expect in the final third if you cant get any early lineup consistency? Midfield, hard to say we've gelled as such what are you expecting from midfield so early, what are they not doing? Defence, you tell me, have we been battered yet? Again, we've had early injuries in that department as well so how do you come to a conclusion so soon?
It's a stupid question that's difficult to answer with any definate conclusions after 6 games, that is exactly my point.One thing you can certainly do effectively as a team after 6 games is win the ball back, it doesn't require an understanding and guess what, we're second best in the league at it at present. You're not that clever using my fob off reply, one reason is because the difference is I answer and offer explanation in my thoughts, muffin does actually fob off, he's bluffing, he doesn't understand football at all, he never talks the mechanics of football to discuss his thinking it's just smart arsed short replies that dont invole his actual thoughts. His only argument is our run stretches through last season , it's not even a valid argument when youve got a whole new squad, for me. I'm more than willing to have a decent conversation with Muffin but he doesn't offer any, or that thornstein, like two peas in a pod It's not a stupid question just because you dont understand it. I'll rephrase it and see if that helps. What I would like to know is : have you seen any signs of a greater understanding between the players on the pitch? I am not expecting miracles but it's not just 6 games. Most of these players have probably had about 40 training sessions together. After another 40 do you expect to see them play more like a team? |
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 20, 2023 11:32:51 GMT
Well, considering vidigal scored 4 and we battered Barnsley by 6 and seen goals by our new players Vidigal, Mmaee, Wesley & Burger I'd say yes for a short period the signs were positive, but then they got injured didn't they so what do you expect in the final third if you cant get any early lineup consistency? Midfield, hard to say we've gelled as such what are you expecting from midfield so early, what are they not doing? Defence, you tell me, have we been battered yet? Again, we've had early injuries in that department as well so how do you come to a conclusion so soon?
It's a stupid question that's difficult to answer with any definate conclusions after 6 games, that is exactly my point.One thing you can certainly do effectively as a team after 6 games is win the ball back, it doesn't require an understanding and guess what, we're second best in the league at it at present. You're not that clever using my fob off reply, one reason is because the difference is I answer and offer explanation in my thoughts, muffin does actually fob off, he's bluffing, he doesn't understand football at all, he never talks the mechanics of football to discuss his thinking it's just smart arsed short replies that dont invole his actual thoughts. His only argument is our run stretches through last season , it's not even a valid argument when youve got a whole new squad, for me. I'm more than willing to have a decent conversation with Muffin but he doesn't offer any, or that thornstein, like two peas in a pod It's not a stupid question just because you dont understand it. I'll rephrase it and see if that helps. What I would like to know is : have you seen any signs of a greater understanding between the players on the pitch? I am not expecting miracles but it's not just 6 games. Most of these players have probably had about 40 training sessions together. After another 40 do you expect to see them play more like a team? I've seen six games of a 46 game season and half of them games we've been forced to change players. You can't draw sod all from that, ask me after 12 |
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Sept 20, 2023 11:43:19 GMT
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 20, 2023 11:43:19 GMT
May not have time but it still needs to gel, so blows nothing out đ |
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 20, 2023 11:55:44 GMT
You rest your case as in ... the facts are nonsense as you claim . đ Speaks the fella who spelt IQ wrong... Reality is something you obviously struggle with ...nonsense as you call it I guess It's not to difficult to grasp, if we aren't creating good enough chances for the players to score, you've got a valid argument. The fact we do create the chances and the players spoon them is out of the managers control. Change my mind. Do you actually believe this?!! If we end up the lowest scorers in the division and get relegated but weâve missed loads of chances and our XG is through the roof, would you still say the manager isnât in control and shouldnât shoulder any blame? Be honest |
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Sept 20, 2023 12:04:34 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 20, 2023 12:04:34 GMT
It's not to difficult to grasp, if we aren't creating good enough chances for the players to score, you've got a valid argument. The fact we do create the chances and the players spoon them is out of the managers control. Change my mind. Do you actually believe this?!! If we end up the lowest scorers in the division and get relegated but weâve missed loads of chances and our XG is through the roof, would you still say the manager isnât in control and shouldnât shoulder any blame? Be honest But we're not there yet are we, you're assuming it's a fore gone conclusion. You don't know what is coming this season, neither do I, difference is I'm prepared to actually watch it unfold. The season has just started and I'm buzzing for the possibilities |
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Sept 20, 2023 12:09:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2023 12:09:12 GMT
Look, I think we stick with Neil this season unless we are in relegation trouble.
But if he's not getting a result tonight, he's obviously going to be under pressure. That would be 4 defeats on the bounce and Huddersfield, a team that is going to be fighting relegation, will be four points ahead.
At this stage it's not about playing nice football with no end product, he needs a strategy to get a result as so far it seems there's very little structure about how we're playing
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Post by caine on Sept 20, 2023 12:13:51 GMT
Simple fact is if we finish mid table again this year with little improvement he has to be accountable and i would say he would be close to the sack....
Big year for him even though we have completely changed the team and first year of a fresh rebuild. But what good has it done us changing the manager given that the previous two who left have either got a team into the playoffs or just missed out excluding MON
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 20, 2023 12:17:23 GMT
May not have time but it still needs to gel, so blows nothing out đ Didn't have you down as a fanboy but each to their own, I suppose  |
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Post by independent on Sept 20, 2023 12:18:10 GMT
It's not a stupid question just because you dont understand it. I'll rephrase it and see if that helps. What I would like to know is : have you seen any signs of a greater understanding between the players on the pitch? I am not expecting miracles but it's not just 6 games. Most of these players have probably had about 40 training sessions together. After another 40 do you expect to see them play more like a team? I've seen six games of a 46 game season and half of them games we've been forced to change players. You can't draw sod all from that, ask me after 12 I will ask you after 12 but I suspect that I could write your answer now. Regarding forced changes, I think you will see a lot of unforced changes anyway as AN seeks to devise a winning strategy. |
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Sept 20, 2023 12:22:43 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 20, 2023 12:22:43 GMT
I've seen six games of a 46 game season and half of them games we've been forced to change players. You can't draw sod all from that, ask me after 12 I will ask you after 12 but I suspect that I could write your answer now. Regarding forced changes, I think you will see a lot of unforced changes anyway as AN seeks to devise a winning strategy. I'll give an honest aaaesment after 12, I do think that's a fair time scale to see the improvement in understanding and what we're trying to do on the pitch. For me, the size of the task in hand can't be underestimated. It's a lot for any manager or any group of players to adjust as quick as some are expecting. We're currently going through a process that has just got to be done, there isn't any other way around it but time on the training ground and actual game time, you can't buy a bedding in period or we'd have paid for one |
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Sept 20, 2023 12:37:00 GMT
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Post by peterthornesboots on Sept 20, 2023 12:37:00 GMT
A big night for AN.
We really need to pick up a couple of positive results over the next five days.
4 points will do nicely.
However, if we get turned over by Huddersfield tonight then that will set off a few warning lights at HQ.
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Post by independent on Sept 20, 2023 12:43:26 GMT
I will ask you after 12 but I suspect that I could write your answer now. Regarding forced changes, I think you will see a lot of unforced changes anyway as AN seeks to devise a winning strategy. I'll give an honest aaaesment after 12, I do think that's a fair time scale to see the improvement in understanding and what we're trying to do on the pitch. For me, the size of the task in hand can't be underestimated. It's a lot for any manager or any group of players to adjust as quick as some are expecting. We're currently going through a process that has just got to be done, there isn't any other way around it but time on the training ground and actual game time, you can't buy a bedding in period or we'd have paid for one I've always said that Christmas is the time to begin to judge AN. But I don't agree about the size of the task. Burnley had a similar job to do last year and they won the league with 101 points. Ipswich's manager took over a relegated side and won promotion and are 2nd in our league. Warnock got Huddersfield to finish above us when they were written off by everybody. I don't understand why people can't see that very few managers ever get the blank page that AN has received, and that it certainly wasn't a burden but a great opportunity. |
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Sept 20, 2023 12:49:27 GMT
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 20, 2023 12:49:27 GMT
Do you actually believe this?!! If we end up the lowest scorers in the division and get relegated but weâve missed loads of chances and our XG is through the roof, would you still say the manager isnât in control and shouldnât shoulder any blame? Be honest But we're not there yet are we, you're assuming it's a fore gone conclusion. You don't know what is coming this season, neither do I, difference is I'm prepared to actually watch it unfold. The season has just started and I'm buzzing for the possibilities Hang on a minute! I never said anything about whatâs happening right now, I just asked you a question. The answer to that question is yes, by the way. You cannot argue the manager isnât responsible for players not taking chances - the manager is accountable for results. End of story. So that weird line of thinking you were carrying on with above clearly wasnât serious, if it was youâd have actually bothered to answer rather than making a whole bunch of assumptions about what I think đ¤ |
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Sept 20, 2023 12:57:30 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 20, 2023 12:57:30 GMT
I'll give an honest aaaesment after 12, I do think that's a fair time scale to see the improvement in understanding and what we're trying to do on the pitch. For me, the size of the task in hand can't be underestimated. It's a lot for any manager or any group of players to adjust as quick as some are expecting. We're currently going through a process that has just got to be done, there isn't any other way around it but time on the training ground and actual game time, you can't buy a bedding in period or we'd have paid for one I've always said that Christmas is the time to begin to judge AN. But I don't agree about the size of the task. Burnley had a similar job to do last year and they won the league with 101 points. Ipswich's manager took over a relegated side and won promotion and are 2nd in our league. Warnock got Huddersfield to finish above us when they were written off by everybody. I don't understand why people can't see that very few managers ever get the blank page that AN has received, and that it certainly wasn't a burden but a great opportunity. I get your point about Burnley but they're an exception not the rule. It's generally accepted that big changes in playing staff need time to settle. You know, we haven't had a pre season either, these things are all relevant, it can't just be brushed under the carpet like it doesn't exist. It certainly is a great opportunity for anybody, as good as a blank canvas, but a blank canvas does have its pitfalls early season, that's natural ... not least without a pre-season |
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Sept 20, 2023 13:02:02 GMT
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 20, 2023 13:02:02 GMT
But we're not there yet are we, you're assuming it's a fore gone conclusion. You don't know what is coming this season, neither do I, difference is I'm prepared to actually watch it unfold. The season has just started and I'm buzzing for the possibilities Hang on a minute! I never said anything about whatâs happening right now, I just asked you a question. The answer to that question is yes, by the way. You cannot argue the manager isnât responsible for players not taking chances - the manager is accountable for results. End of story. So that weird line of thinking you were carrying on with above clearly wasnât serious, if it was youâd have actually bothered to answer rather than making a whole bunch of assumptions about what I think đ¤ My argument is if players are getting into goal scoring positions sooner or later they're going to start taking them. I'd be a lot more concerned if we were not getting into goalscoring positions. Are you trying to tell me that it was Alex Neil's fault Dwight Gayle kicked thin air from 3 yards out? That's on him is it? |
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Sept 20, 2023 13:33:33 GMT
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Post by bertiestan on Sept 20, 2023 13:33:33 GMT
In normal circumstances I think Gooch is quite right...when you have signed a lot of players in a short period of time its inevitable they will need time to find their feet...but when you've signed young players I.e 19 20 year olds from countries like Serbia..Korea... Hungary I think they need to be given a bit more patience. I think Gooch's comments have been taken slightly out of context..I think we'll see a steady improvement throughout the season.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Sept 20, 2023 13:34:50 GMT
A big night for AN. We really need to pick up a couple of positive results over the next five days. 4 points will do nicely. However, if we get turned over by Huddersfield tonight then that will set off a few warning lights at HQ. We normally dick these idiots. If we lose against bastard Huddersfield he needs to go before the next game. |
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Sept 20, 2023 13:36:55 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 20, 2023 13:36:55 GMT
A big night for AN. We really need to pick up a couple of positive results over the next five days. 4 points will do nicely. However, if we get turned over by Huddersfield tonight then that will set off a few warning lights at HQ. We normally dick these idiots. If we lose against bastard Huddersfield he needs to go before the next game. Usually dick them?We lost 3-1 there last season under OâNeill and drew the the season before that |
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Sept 20, 2023 13:42:48 GMT
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Post by st3mark on Sept 20, 2023 13:42:48 GMT
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 20, 2023 14:20:44 GMT
Hang on a minute! I never said anything about whatâs happening right now, I just asked you a question. The answer to that question is yes, by the way. You cannot argue the manager isnât responsible for players not taking chances - the manager is accountable for results. End of story. So that weird line of thinking you were carrying on with above clearly wasnât serious, if it was youâd have actually bothered to answer rather than making a whole bunch of assumptions about what I think đ¤ My argument is if players are getting into goal scoring positions sooner or later they're going to start taking them. I'd be a lot more concerned if we were not getting into goalscoring positions. Are you trying to tell me that it was Alex Neil's fault Dwight Gayle kicked thin air from 3 yards out? That's on him is it? The buck stops with the manager, and we lost against Norwich. So that, all of it, everything, is on AN. Thatâs the way it works. And it also does so in reverse. If Gayle comes on and equalised weâd all be praising the decision to bring him on. Sooner rather than later we shall see what happens, but honestly, over the last 40 something games it hasnât been great. Ok he has a new team now, but so far the results have been worse than they were last season. The manager is responsible for that, and heâll be responsible for whatever happens now. In some cases you can make a mitigating case for a manager who has been really unlucky (injuries, best players sold and not replaced etc etc) but Neil has been fully backed this summer so I donât really care what happens in the games but I expect results. Not in a few weeks, or months, he needs to start to deliver. All of this âchances missedâ âweâre getting in good positionsâ is just an excuse. |
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