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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 14, 2023 11:17:59 GMT
Maybe I'm completely wrong here but it seems to me that you want him to fail. A promotion challenge would be an unbelievable achievement, given that we have a brand new squad, who have never played together. I don't think the likes of Pep would be able to do that. Just support the team and enjoy the ride. I honestly believe that Neil will get us promoted next season. Absolutely not want him to fail at all. All i've done is question his record which I think is bang average. HE's been given every opportunity to succeed - tripled his money, brought in his mates, signed a truck load of footballers.... I think he should be delivering far sooner than others. He had a shower of shit to work with last season and got rid of the players that weren't in his plans. Judge him after Christmas. Personally, I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised.. |
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Post by bertiestan on Sept 14, 2023 11:20:22 GMT
Because if he can get us up he'll get backed, 'because we're rich'. Also because he liked the vision that was proposed to him about being able to restructure the squad. I thought it was common knowledge there was a bit of a disagreement at Sunderland about how they should proceed in the market, club vision. I'm not going to hide the fact he's had a big pay rise, anybody in their right mind in any line of work would be swayed to move companies by a large pay rise for the same job. He's come here knowing he can restructure this club to his own design this past summer and you're doubting him as soon as he's been allowed to do it without letting it prove how successful it was He's come here to triple his money, end of. He needs to deliver a promotion challenge this season. You'll be making the same excuses for him this time next year if he fails. Then you clearly know fuck all then Pugsley 🤷🏼♂️ |
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Post by baconburger on Sept 14, 2023 11:20:50 GMT
Nobody wants Alex Neil or any other manager to fail. With our history a failure means a high percentage chance of the boy with the trainset chucking it out of the window again and trying to get a piece of concrete to go round the track. There is a stark difference between wanting him to fail and just plainly not liking the man. I dare say a fair few are in the latter camp and very, very few if not none in the former. I wanted Pulis gone every season. Didn't mean I wanted my club to be relegated to facilitate that. |
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 14, 2023 11:21:47 GMT
I think a majority of fans are realistic and if we see clear improvement in the football, the quality of player and results over the season along with much improved final league position it will have people eagerly awaiting the summer business. Anything else is self sabotage I don't believe that. I don't think people expressing negative opinions makes any difference to outcomes. I hope he succeeds but if he doesn't it will be his own doing not because some people on the Oatcake didn't like him and wanted him out. It's like an infectious disease though that spreads, people end up losing all sense of reality |
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Post by HarryTheHat on Sept 14, 2023 11:27:10 GMT
He's come here to triple his money, end of. He needs to deliver a promotion challenge this season. You'll be making the same excuses for him this time next year if he fails. I don't see him being sacked without a promotion challenge this season. Improved results mainly at home, some of the longer term signings showing clear signs of being good business. Will IMO see him given the opportunity to carry on building. I wouldn't call it excuses he's still circa £10M in the black on player trading. A top half finish will be a significant improvement on anything in the last 5 years Top 10 is over-achieving for this season Top 6 is fantasy-land this season |
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Post by Gawa on Sept 14, 2023 11:35:13 GMT
Absolutely not want him to fail at all. All i've done is question his record which I think is bang average. HE's been given every opportunity to succeed - tripled his money, brought in his mates, signed a truck load of footballers.... I think he should be delivering far sooner than others. He had a shower of shit to work with last season and got rid of the players that weren't in his plans. Judge him after Christmas. Personally, I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised.. The problem is that posters like yourself keep changing the goal posts and excuses. Like his honesty and believe that he will get them in shape. I think he needs at least a month to improve their fitness and for them to understand their role and responsibilities. We have some very good players but our defence really concerns me. He has a lot to consider and needs our full support. A top half finish is all we can possibly hope for this season. Next season has to be a real push for promotion. Last year we had very good players who needed a month to improve their fitness and the expectation was a promotion push by this season. Then (locked thread so can't quote) he just needed 2 transfer windows (which he's had): "Absolutely spot on. To make comparisons at this stage is quite frankly ludicrous. Neil needs at least x2 transfer windows." Then the issue was that the dressing room was toxic but wed be able to judge him adter the next transfer window: Let's see what happens in this transfer window, then the next. We can then properly judge Neil and a few of his signings. He's walked into a very toxic dressing room and quite obviously wants to sell a few to free up some cash. In my opinion, it would be ludicrous to bring in a new manager at this stage of the season because they will be faced with exactly the same players, who simply couldn't give a shit about the club. What's the next excuse? Needs another season because the Groundsman was out of his depth and the pitch was poorly maintained so we need to wait a year for them to lay a new pitch. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Sept 14, 2023 11:36:39 GMT
I don't believe that. I don't think people expressing negative opinions makes any difference to outcomes. I hope he succeeds but if he doesn't it will be his own doing not because some people on the Oatcake didn't like him and wanted him out. It's like an infectious disease though that spreads, people end up losing all sense of reality Your delusion is the issue, basing your argument on the voices in your head and what you think will happen. And you talk about losing sense of reality...the very thing you choose to ignore 👍 |
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Post by baconburger on Sept 14, 2023 11:38:12 GMT
I don't believe that. I don't think people expressing negative opinions makes any difference to outcomes. I hope he succeeds but if he doesn't it will be his own doing not because some people on the Oatcake didn't like him and wanted him out. It's like an infectious disease though that spreads, people end up losing all sense of reality I don't buy that at all. Couldn't abide Pulis and moaned my bag off about him constantly for 10 years and wasn't on my own. On your basis we'd have won the league if only we'd just stopped moaning. Despite the fact the bloke has never won anything in his life. |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 14, 2023 11:38:21 GMT
I don't see him being sacked without a promotion challenge this season. Improved results mainly at home, some of the longer term signings showing clear signs of being good business. Will IMO see him given the opportunity to carry on building. I wouldn't call it excuses he's still circa £10M in the black on player trading. A top half finish will be a significant improvement on anything in the last 5 years Top 10 is over-achieving for this season Top 6 is fantasy-land this season Absolutely Harry. I would be delighted with a top 10 finish this season. We have some genuine quality in the team and Neil has signed these. I honestly believe that we will witness some outstanding performances this season and a few teams could be in for a thrashing. |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 14, 2023 11:42:21 GMT
He had a shower of shit to work with last season and got rid of the players that weren't in his plans. Judge him after Christmas. Personally, I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised.. The problem is that posters like yourself keep changing the goal posts and excuses. Like his honesty and believe that he will get them in shape. I think he needs at least a month to improve their fitness and for them to understand their role and responsibilities. We have some very good players but our defence really concerns me. He has a lot to consider and needs our full support. A top half finish is all we can possibly hope for this season. Next season has to be a real push for promotion. Last year we had very good players who needed a month to improve their fitness and the expectation was a promotion push by this season. Then (locked thread so can't quote) he just needed 2 transfer windows (which he's had): "Absolutely spot on. To make comparisons at this stage is quite frankly ludicrous. Neil needs at least x2 transfer windows." Then the issue was that the dressing room was toxic but wed be able to judge him adter the next transfer window: Let's see what happens in this transfer window, then the next. We can then properly judge Neil and a few of his signings. He's walked into a very toxic dressing room and quite obviously wants to sell a few to free up some cash. In my opinion, it would be ludicrous to bring in a new manager at this stage of the season because they will be faced with exactly the same players, who simply couldn't give a shit about the club. What's the next excuse? Needs another season because the Groundsman was out of his depth and the pitch was poorly maintained so we need to wait a year for them to lay a new pitch. Bit of a silly post mate. Like most of them to be fair. You'll be nowhere to be seen when the results improve. |
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Post by Gawa on Sept 14, 2023 11:43:26 GMT
I don't see him being sacked without a promotion challenge this season. Improved results mainly at home, some of the longer term signings showing clear signs of being good business. Will IMO see him given the opportunity to carry on building. I wouldn't call it excuses he's still circa £10M in the black on player trading. A top half finish will be a significant improvement on anything in the last 5 years Top 10 is over-achieving for this season Top 6 is fantasy-land this season Glad to see the chief happy clapper back in this thread. Look at the table Look at the form - how many have we won in the last 20-odd games? Look at the bizarre team selections and lack of any cohesive plan or strategy and you want to keep this guy? |
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Post by baconburger on Sept 14, 2023 11:44:06 GMT
A top half finish will be a significant improvement on anything in the last 5 years Top 10 is over-achieving for this season Top 6 is fantasy-land this season Absolutely Harry. I would be delighted with a top 10 finish this season. We have some genuine quality in the team and Neil has signed these. I honestly believe that we will witness some outstanding performances this season and a few teams could be in for a thrashing. As a matter of interest which players represent this genuine quality you're talking about. He's signed a lot of players and I hope enough of them can do really well at this level for us but it's very early days to be describing any of them as genuine quality. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2023 11:44:17 GMT
Why would anyone want the manager to fail?
I want him to succeed, I'm just not convinced he will and think he has so much to prove.
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Post by Gawa on Sept 14, 2023 11:46:54 GMT
The problem is that posters like yourself keep changing the goal posts and excuses. Last year we had very good players who needed a month to improve their fitness and the expectation was a promotion push by this season. Then (locked thread so can't quote) he just needed 2 transfer windows (which he's had): "Absolutely spot on. To make comparisons at this stage is quite frankly ludicrous. Neil needs at least x2 transfer windows." Then the issue was that the dressing room was toxic but wed be able to judge him adter the next transfer window: What's the next excuse? Needs another season because the Groundsman was out of his depth and the pitch was poorly maintained so we need to wait a year for them to lay a new pitch. Bit of a silly post mate. Like most of them to be fair. You'll be nowhere to be seen when the results improve. Those are your words I'm quoting. You just don't like being called out with evidence of you making different excuses everytime your last one runs out just like the other happy clappers in this thread. Just to remind you. Since taking over Alex Neil is FOURTH from bottom in the league. Let's see where he is at the end of this month. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 14, 2023 11:48:23 GMT
Top 10 for me, I don't think that's over achieving at all
play offs would be over achieving I think
barring an injury crisis from hell 12th downwards isn't good enough & would sack AN in May if that occurs
11th I would be twitchy
however: I think we will make top 10 & don't think the club will sack him if we finished 12th
if we finish 16th or so again I think they might
expecting a finish somewhere in top 10
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Post by vidigal7 on Sept 14, 2023 11:48:52 GMT
It's like an infectious disease though that spreads, people end up losing all sense of reality I don't buy that at all. Couldn't abide Pulis and moaned my bag off about him constantly for 10 years and wasn't on my own. On your basis we'd have won the league if only we'd just stopped moaning. Despite the fact the bloke has never won anything in his life. Are we talking about the same Pulis. The one I'm thinking of had taken over a club destined for relegation, steadied the ship for a couple of seasons and then got us to places no man had done for decades. Preston currently sit top. I'll bet they're nowhere near coming the e d of the season. We currently set next to Leeds who I'll also bet are not where they are come end of the season, it's far too early |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 14, 2023 11:49:13 GMT
Absolutely Harry. I would be delighted with a top 10 finish this season. We have some genuine quality in the team and Neil has signed these. I honestly believe that we will witness some outstanding performances this season and a few teams could be in for a thrashing. As a matter of interest which players represent this genuine quality you're talking about. He's signed a lot of players and I hope enough of them can do really well at this level for us but it's very early days to be describing any of them as genuine quality. Sorry mate, my bad. They're all shit and we're going to be relegated this season. |
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Sept 14, 2023 11:51:27 GMT
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 14, 2023 11:51:27 GMT
Bit of a silly post mate. Like most of them to be fair. You'll be nowhere to be seen when the results improve. Those are your words I'm quoting. You just don't like being called out with evidence of you making different excuses everytime your last one runs out just like the other happy clappers in this thread. Just to remind you. Since taking over Alex Neil is FOURTH from bottom in the league. Let's see where he is at the end of this month. Don't remember mentioning the Groundsman. Anyway, keep on being negative mate. Let's see where you are in a few months. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 14, 2023 11:51:34 GMT
Why would anyone want the manager to fail? I want him to succeed, I'm just not convinced he will and think he has so much to prove. One or two do so they can be 'proved right' as that to them is more important than Stoke winning |
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Post by baconburger on Sept 14, 2023 11:51:50 GMT
A top half finish will be a significant improvement on anything in the last 5 years Top 10 is over-achieving for this season Top 6 is fantasy-land this season Glad to see the chief happy clapper back in this thread. Look at the table Look at the form - how many have we won in the last 20-odd games? Look at the bizarre team selections and lack of any cohesive plan or strategy and you want to keep this guy? I don't think you need to be a happy clapper. I get the impression the overwhelming majority of Stoke fans want to keep him and see if he can reproduce what we got a brief glimpse of last season when we were playing the best football in the league for a few weeks. Just like we kept MON on for 2 further years in the hope he could produce what he did in his first 6 months or so here. It's not much to hang your hat on but then we've only had the smallest of positives to cling to in the last 6/7 years or so. |
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Post by Foster on Sept 14, 2023 12:01:24 GMT
Top 10 for me, I don't think that's over achieving at all play offs would be over achieving I think barring an injury crisis from hell 12th downwards isn't good enough & would sack AN in May if that occurs 11th I would be twitchy however: I think we will make top 10 & don't think the club will sack him if we finished 12th if we finish 16th or so again I think they might expecting a finish somewhere in top 10 Last 5 years 14th twice, 15th and 16th twice. And some of here are saying that a promotion push is a must. It's not like the club has spent 100m either. Most of the 18/19 we've brought in are for a pittance. Top half is a realistic improvement and expectation IMO. Playoffs and beyond would be even better. This will be a defining season for AN, but there's no point moaning before he's even given the players 12-15 games together. Let's see where we are come Christmas and if the team is playing shit after that and underperforming then fair enough. |
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Post by Gawa on Sept 14, 2023 12:03:27 GMT
Those are your words I'm quoting. You just don't like being called out with evidence of you making different excuses everytime your last one runs out just like the other happy clappers in this thread. Just to remind you. Since taking over Alex Neil is FOURTH from bottom in the league. Let's see where he is at the end of this month. Don't remember mentioning the Groundsman. Anyway, keep on being negative mate. Let's see where you are in a few months. Is that not what they said about me last year? I'm just calling out your bullshit with your exact quotes in a timeline. 50 odd points from 46 games "It's the player fitness but we've some good players and can challenge for promotion next year. Judge him in a month." "Just needs a transfer window to get his own players in then things will improve. Judge him after a window." "It's the dressing room that's been the issue. It's toxic. Judge him when the bad apples are gone." "He just needs another transfer window. Judge him after the summer." "He had a shower of shit to work with last season and got rid of the players that weren't in his plans. Judge him after Christmas." Do you say the trend here from your post history? Every few weeks you drop out a new excuse for Alex. And no doubt come Christmas you'll have your next "....Just judge him after..." ready. |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 14, 2023 12:09:13 GMT
Don't remember mentioning the Groundsman. Anyway, keep on being negative mate. Let's see where you are in a few months. Is that not what they said about me last year? I'm just calling out your bullshit with your exact quotes in a timeline. 50 odd points from 46 games "It's the player fitness but we've some good players and can challenge for promotion next year. Judge him in a month." "Just needs a transfer window to get his own players in then things will improve. Judge him after a window." "It's the dressing room that's been the issue. It's toxic. Judge him when the bad apples are gone." "He just needs another transfer window. Judge him after the summer." "He had a shower of shit to work with last season and got rid of the players that weren't in his plans. Judge him after Christmas." Do you say the trend here from your post history? Every few weeks you drop out a new excuse for Alex. And no doubt come Christmas you'll have your next "....Just judge him after..." ready. I'm a positive fan, who's pleased with our signings. Our manager had nothing to work with and has completely changed the squad. If he doesn't get a tune out of them, then he deserves to go. Until then, he has my full support. |
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 14, 2023 12:40:18 GMT
Is that not what they said about me last year? I'm just calling out your bullshit with your exact quotes in a timeline. 50 odd points from 46 games "It's the player fitness but we've some good players and can challenge for promotion next year. Judge him in a month." "Just needs a transfer window to get his own players in then things will improve. Judge him after a window." "It's the dressing room that's been the issue. It's toxic. Judge him when the bad apples are gone." "He just needs another transfer window. Judge him after the summer." "He had a shower of shit to work with last season and got rid of the players that weren't in his plans. Judge him after Christmas." Do you say the trend here from your post history? Every few weeks you drop out a new excuse for Alex. And no doubt come Christmas you'll have your next "....Just judge him after..." ready. I'm a positive fan, who's pleased with our signings. Our manager had nothing to work with and has completely changed the squad. If he doesn't get a tune out of them, then he deserves to go. Until then, he has my full support. Lol |
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Post by Foster on Sept 14, 2023 12:45:49 GMT
Top 20 in the last ten years Sunderland double ours. We're not a big club, sorry we're just not. We'd like to think we are because we're stoke fans, we've spent ten years in the top division in the past fifty years, we've also spent a lot in the third tier and second tier. We've won Jack shit apart from the autoglass trophy, twice league trophy twice (auto glass and auto windscreens) and the league cup. We're an attractive proposition because we're rich not because we're a big club. The only place we're a big club is in Stoke-on-Trent Sorry mate, couldn't resist. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2023 12:48:37 GMT
How anyone can be so blindly happy with Neil is beyond me.
I get accused of sticking to my guns and not changing my opinion all the time which is obviously bollocks.
And this is an example of it. I wanted Neil from the get go but fuck me he's been absolutely shite. Beyond shite.
And how people can just be so whimsical with him I don't get tbh. Like last season didn't happen.
10 games is plenty. I don't expect play offs but what I want to see is a plan, decent football, no cowardice and just some semblance of an improvement.
I don't think we've seen a plan yet. There's been some decent football. He's been a bit cowardly with some team selections. And it feels the same overall so no improvement yet.
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Sept 14, 2023 12:48:51 GMT
I'm a positive fan, who's pleased with our signings. Our manager had nothing to work with and has completely changed the squad. If he doesn't get a tune out of them, then he deserves to go. Until then, he has my full support. Lol Great response 👍 |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 14, 2023 13:00:33 GMT
I'm a positive fan, who's pleased with our signings. Our manager had nothing to work with and has completely changed the squad. If he doesn't get a tune out of them, then he deserves to go. Until then, he has my full support. Lol You of all people should know not to write a manager off😊That Humble Pie from 15 years ago must still leave a taste in the mouth |
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 14, 2023 13:03:54 GMT
You of all people should know not to write a manager off😊That Humble Pie from 15 years ago must still leave a taste in the mouth Where have I written him off? I have high expectations that's all. |
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Sept 14, 2023 13:05:50 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 14, 2023 13:05:50 GMT
You of all people should know not to write a manager off😊That Humble Pie from 15 years ago must still leave a taste in the mouth Where have I written him off? I have high expectations that's all. Come on mate you and a few others are sharpening their knives as we speak |
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