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Post by Northy on Feb 6, 2024 9:09:41 GMT
I haven't heard any rumours or read much of the thread, what are the salient points as to what's happened between all concerned parties ?
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Mmaee
Feb 6, 2024 9:09:41 GMT
Post by LGH87 on Feb 6, 2024 9:09:41 GMT
So we're back to the 3-4-1-2. I'm thinking it's our only chance, as we don't have the forwards to play 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 even if we've recruited for it... I'm not against going back to 3 at the back, with Million and Junior on the wingbacks. Hoever looks much better at RCB than RB. I’m really not sure we can take a bloke who’s just about our last chance this season to get this team scoring then play him as a WB. That would be my reservation too but we've looked so much better under Schuey when we've used that system. Plus, if you look back at the games where we've used wingbacks they're more like attacking midfielders anyway. The 433 doesn't work for one reason or another but the 3412 we actually look half decent, chuck Maenhof in to that system and we may have a chance of dragging ourselves up to the heights of 16th!
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Post by Robo10 on Feb 6, 2024 9:15:10 GMT
Mmaee late for training a lot, some dressing room disquiet, a few bust ups within the squad
SS bigged him up to get more from him feels let down
Tried to shift him on to no avail, now an impasse, training alone
Weird situation! But if SS wants an all out, full press, all hands on deck, effort driven approach, players taking the piss and not training properly or being late daily isnt going to go down well!
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Post by femark on Feb 6, 2024 9:37:27 GMT
Mmaee late for training a lot, some dressing room disquiet, a few bust ups within the squad SS bigged him up to get more from him feels let down Tried to shift him on to no avail, now an impasse, training alone Weird situation! But if SS wants an all out, full press, all hands on deck, effort driven approach, players taking the piss and not training properly or being late daily isnt going to go down well! Do we actually know any of this or is it just the standard rumours? All I know is that he was dropped and Schumacher was a bit tetchy when asked why.
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Mmaee
Feb 6, 2024 9:40:00 GMT
Post by LGH87 on Feb 6, 2024 9:40:00 GMT
Mmaee late for training a lot, some dressing room disquiet, a few bust ups within the squad SS bigged him up to get more from him feels let down Tried to shift him on to no avail, now an impasse, training alone Weird situation! But if SS wants an all out, full press, all hands on deck, effort driven approach, players taking the piss and not training properly or being late daily isnt going to go down well! Do we actually know any of this or is it just the standard rumours? All I know is that he was dropped and Schumacher was a bit tetchy when asked why. It's all pretty much confirmed.
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Post by femark on Feb 6, 2024 10:10:49 GMT
Do we actually know any of this or is it just the standard rumours? All I know is that he was dropped and Schumacher was a bit tetchy when asked why. It's all pretty much confirmed. By who? Where is it confirmed?
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Feb 6, 2024 11:16:54 GMT
Post by idle on Feb 6, 2024 11:16:54 GMT
So we're back to the 3-4-1-2. I'm thinking it's our only chance, as we don't have the forwards to play 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 even if we've recruited for it... I'm not against going back to 3 at the back, with Million and Junior on the wingbacks. Hoever looks much better at RCB than RB. I’m really not sure we can take a bloke who’s just about our last chance this season to get this team scoring then play him as a WB. I know, but who's gonna get on the end of his crosses (his cross completion stats look good, his passing not so much)?
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Post by Robo10 on Feb 6, 2024 11:19:51 GMT
Mmaee late for training a lot, some dressing room disquiet, a few bust ups within the squad SS bigged him up to get more from him feels let down Tried to shift him on to no avail, now an impasse, training alone Weird situation! But if SS wants an all out, full press, all hands on deck, effort driven approach, players taking the piss and not training properly or being late daily isnt going to go down well! Do we actually know any of this or is it just the standard rumours? All I know is that he was dropped and Schumacher was a bit tetchy when asked why. Was just summarising 20 pages for Northy :-)
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Post by alexanderinstone on Feb 6, 2024 11:26:10 GMT
Seems to me that Jonathon Coates should go all out to recruit Glenn Whelan and John Walters to oversee training and spend as much time as necessary in the dressing room to "encourage" those who play for our club.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2024 11:39:30 GMT
So we're back to the 3-4-1-2. I'm thinking it's our only chance, as we don't have the forwards to play 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 even if we've recruited for it... I'm not against going back to 3 at the back, with Million and Junior on the wingbacks. Hoever looks much better at RCB than RB. I’m really not sure we can take a bloke who’s just about our last chance this season to get this team scoring then play him as a WB. He’s a full back that has been converted into a winger. Wingback doesn't seem like a stretch to me. Playing with one central striker just doesn’t work for us. Maybe we play Million up front with Ennis rather than at wingback (have Thompson there). However, 352 seems like the only way we’ll score goals to me.
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 6, 2024 11:59:29 GMT
I’m really not sure we can take a bloke who’s just about our last chance this season to get this team scoring then play him as a WB. He’s a full back that has been converted into a winger. Wingback doesn't seem like a stretch to me. Playing with one central striker just doesn’t work for us. Maybe we play Million up front with Ennis rather than at wingback (have Thompson there). However, 352 seems like the only way we’ll score goals to me. We're not in a position to be pissing about and experimenting with players in new positions they're either not used to or haven't played in a long time. Manhoef comes to us with a handy reputation as a winger, where he has looked a threat and scored goals. He's left-footed, so we need to play him on the right wing where he can cut in and take shots on goal, and with his pace to pull defenders out of position and allow Ennis with his pace to cause problems and score goals too. Gooch or Hoever will do as LB for now.
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Post by Fred Merger on Feb 6, 2024 12:20:16 GMT
Mmaee late for training a lot, some dressing room disquiet, a few bust ups within the squad SS bigged him up to get more from him feels let down Tried to shift him on to no avail, now an impasse, training alone Weird situation! But if SS wants an all out, full press, all hands on deck, effort driven approach, players taking the piss and not training properly or being late daily isnt going to go down well! But if he wants a full press and all out effort attacking hard working side, why the fuck start with Campbell? He is the epitome of a can't be arsed shrug your shoulders who cares anyway attitude!
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Mmaee
Feb 6, 2024 12:28:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2024 12:28:31 GMT
He’s a full back that has been converted into a winger. Wingback doesn't seem like a stretch to me. Playing with one central striker just doesn’t work for us. Maybe we play Million up front with Ennis rather than at wingback (have Thompson there). However, 352 seems like the only way we’ll score goals to me. We're not in a position to be pissing about and experimenting with players in new positions they're either not used to or haven't played in a long time. Manhoef comes to us with a handy reputation as a winger, where he has looked a threat and scored goals. He's left-footed, so we need to play him on the right wing where he can cut in and take shots on goal, and with his pace to pull defenders out of position and allow Ennis with his pace to cause problems and score goals too. Gooch or Hoever will do as LB for now. Which is a problem then as we don’t have any player who can play as a solo striker, a role as different to a striker with a partner as a winger is to a wingback.
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Post by andystokey on Feb 6, 2024 12:56:58 GMT
Seems to me that Jonathon Coates should go all out to recruit Glenn Whelan and John Walters to oversee training and spend as much time as necessary in the dressing room to "encourage" those who play for our club. Just parking the names for a minute this is a role Stoke have failed to have but I know Brighton and Man U used to have a role that say over the training ground. Clayton Wood has had real problems since TP left and part of that is because no one has been employed as the Station Warrant Officer. I think separating the coaching staff from the piss taking is a great idea. Employed by the club the job should be all about standards. The SWO could impose all the fines and lock the late comers out. Cane optional.
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Mmaee
Feb 6, 2024 13:11:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2024 13:11:20 GMT
Seems to me that Jonathon Coates should go all out to recruit Glenn Whelan and John Walters to oversee training and spend as much time as necessary in the dressing room to "encourage" those who play for our club. back in those days the squad would sort out a player like that, fuller, walters, whelan, shawcross huth. They'd be having a word and keeping someone like that in line. No one in our squad would care enough, so it's left to management to deal with a very awkward situation
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2024 13:19:08 GMT
Seems to me that Jonathon Coates should go all out to recruit Glenn Whelan and John Walters to oversee training and spend as much time as necessary in the dressing room to "encourage" those who play for our club. Why would they listen to two random guys that they’ve never met just showing up in the dressing room and chatting crap about the good ol’ days? We already have Shawcross in the club. We’ve had Delap there before. You keep leaders in a dressing room. Stoke gutted 90% of its playing staff and coaching staff last season. We are left with what from the “old guard” - Laurent, Baker, Wilmot, Campbell and Bonham?
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 6, 2024 13:33:53 GMT
Also noticed that the feel good training videos they were posting seem to have disappeared over the last couple of weeks...
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Post by jokker on Feb 6, 2024 13:34:59 GMT
Seems to me that Jonathon Coates should go all out to recruit Glenn Whelan and John Walters to oversee training and spend as much time as necessary in the dressing room to "encourage" those who play for our club. Walters was youth coach at CW on a once a week basis. I think out of respect for the legend he wasn't sacked but just allowed to drift away. He hasn't coached since. Whelan was player/coach at one of his last clubs. He hasn't coached since. Two great servants, but not the men you would call up to get your house in order.
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Post by mamathestriker on Feb 6, 2024 13:36:08 GMT
Also noticed that the feel good training videos they were posting seem to have disappeared over the last couple of weeks... We did the same thing when AN first joined. It's like living a slightly worse version of Groundhog Day.
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Mmaee
Feb 6, 2024 13:38:36 GMT
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Feb 6, 2024 13:38:36 GMT
5 pillars! Cultural architects! It's Orwellian but significantly less intelligent, and now we are the football club equivalent of Cuba
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 6, 2024 13:50:38 GMT
We're not in a position to be pissing about and experimenting with players in new positions they're either not used to or haven't played in a long time. Manhoef comes to us with a handy reputation as a winger, where he has looked a threat and scored goals. He's left-footed, so we need to play him on the right wing where he can cut in and take shots on goal, and with his pace to pull defenders out of position and allow Ennis with his pace to cause problems and score goals too. Gooch or Hoever will do as LB for now. Which is a problem then as we don’t have any player who can play as a solo striker, a role as different to a striker with a partner as a winger is to a wingback. I was quite encouraged by Ennis's cameo role there on Saturday. Perhaps not the best technician but energetic, chased everything and led the press. If we can get up quickly in support of him we could unsettle a few defenders.
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Mmaee
Feb 6, 2024 13:56:04 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 6, 2024 13:56:04 GMT
I thought Ennis looked like a competition winner, but I guess it was a game we completely got dominated in, maybe see how he fairs against more normal opposition.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2024 14:05:50 GMT
Which is a problem then as we don’t have any player who can play as a solo striker, a role as different to a striker with a partner as a winger is to a wingback. I was quite encouraged by Ennis's cameo role there on Saturday. Perhaps not the best technician but energetic, chased everything and led the press. If we can get up quickly in support of him we could unsettle a few defenders. I think that Ennis is our best shot given that he looked relatively strong and mobile enough. I just don’t think he’s going to be suited to a solo striker role and that playing him in one will lead to a team continuing to not score. If Mmaee pulled his finger out his arse and decided to play football, I think that they may do okay together in possession. That would require Mmaee to actually jog about a bit though, which seems too much to ask of some professional footballers.
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Mmaee
Feb 6, 2024 14:45:54 GMT
Post by idle on Feb 6, 2024 14:45:54 GMT
I was quite encouraged by Ennis's cameo role there on Saturday. Perhaps not the best technician but energetic, chased everything and led the press. If we can get up quickly in support of him we could unsettle a few defenders. I think that Ennis is our best shot given that he looked relatively strong and mobile enough. I just don’t think he’s going to be suited to a solo striker role and that playing him in one will lead to a team continuing to not score. If Mmaee pulled his finger out his arse and decided to play football, I think that they may do okay together in possession. That would require Mmaee to actually jog about a bit though, which seems too much to ask of some professional footballers. Mmaee's a bit of an idiot, now we actually (maybe) have players who could complement his skills, and then he decides his ego is more important than the team training. If he had any brains at all, he'd start working and maybe ask for a transfer in the summer (for much more money if he scores a few)
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Mmaee
Feb 6, 2024 16:06:17 GMT
Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 6, 2024 16:06:17 GMT
If a player breaks the rules of the club,why can't that club just rip up his contract & tell him to piss off?
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Mmaee
Feb 6, 2024 16:25:50 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Feb 6, 2024 16:25:50 GMT
It's all pretty much confirmed. By who? Where is it confirmed? Hang on the club is about to issue a press release with times and dates the lot. WTF planet are you on?
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Mmaee
Feb 6, 2024 16:27:57 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Feb 6, 2024 16:27:57 GMT
If a player breaks the rules of the club,why can't that club just rip up his contract & tell him to piss off? With enough evidence they probably could but it wouldn’t get them any return on their outlay. Maybe you could explain why they’d consider doing that?
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Post by werrington on Feb 6, 2024 16:40:59 GMT
If a player breaks the rules of the club,why can't that club just rip up his contract & tell him to piss off? Because he’s got a transfer valuation See West Ham as to why they never sacked John Hartson after he volleyed Berkovic
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Post by femark on Feb 6, 2024 16:55:10 GMT
By who? Where is it confirmed? Hang on the club is about to issue a press release with times and dates the lot. WTF planet are you on? What planet are you on? Going along with something that has been "confirmed" by Bill who sits in the corner of the dog and duck. No-one has any idea what has gone on but somehow it becomes gospel that xyz has happened. The only slightly credible rumour is that we told his agent he could leave and he decided to stay, because this has been reported in the papers. Anything else is complete and utter bollocks. But yeah, what planet am I on.
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Feb 6, 2024 16:58:28 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 6, 2024 16:58:28 GMT
I guess we will get a better idea come Saturday, either he will be in the team or on the bench, if not then we will know he pretty much finished here.
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