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Mmaee
Feb 5, 2024 17:21:36 GMT
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Post by premieraj on Feb 5, 2024 17:21:36 GMT
I kind of get that but the left back situation is pure dereliction of duty? Yeah - can't argue there. But the mood music from early on in January seemed to be suggesting he was happy to see the season out with Thompson, Tchamadeu, Gooch, and the ghost of Stevens - so can't say it was really a surprise that we didn't get anyone in, just from the hints in the press etc. But it does look crazy to have left ourselves in this situation, and it all stems from the botched summer recruitment Yes I’m sure that’s what Shoey may have been advised? The sadness is we all know; Thompson is never a left back, Stevens injury prone and does he really want to play or just see his contract out, Junior is the rightful right back; and Gooch tries but we all can see he is just not good enough! It’s so infuriating?
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Mmaee
Feb 5, 2024 17:22:37 GMT
Post by skip on Feb 5, 2024 17:22:37 GMT
Can't Mmaee just say sorry, mend his ways and crack on?
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 5, 2024 17:24:57 GMT
It seems like half the league were after Moore. Talk of 7-8 clubs. Doubt we looked the best option, even if we wanted to invest a lot of cash in a short-term option. I've noticed a few who claim to be insidery types in terms of agents etc say there just wasn't any available strikers in January, and were referencing fans of tens of clubs saying " OMG surely we could've got a striker in?" when the reality was, in his view, the supply of ones available was zero. So maybe a cheap 500k punt on someone he knows, who looked unappealing after his Blackburn spell but he thinks he can get something from, was as good as it was going to get. Obviously a massive gamble if we get fully sucked into it though. Having Ennis, Tyrese and Lowe as your 3 choices is eye-popping with each a massive question mark for various reasons. I get that mate and I was simply using Moore as an example. I'm not knocking Ennis either as I've not seen much of him (30 minutes on Saturday being it). I'm just confused why we let Gayle and Tezgel go. Not that Gayle is any good or Tezgel tested at this level but at least are both warm bodies to put out on the pitch if Ennis and Campbell revert to type on the treatment table. Well a lukewarm body in Gayle's case. Yeah - 2 more options. As you say, not sure Tezgel or Gayle would have really added much, if anything, though. And we haven't even mentioned Wes! Is he finished too? Who knows? In terms of Champ strikers, neither is probably up to it for the next few months. If Schumacher thinks Lowe is currently above Tezgel, that says it all because Lowe looks like a fish out of water. And that's no comment on what they both might become in 2-3 years. Trying to squeeze 16 games and comfortable survival out of an injury-prone Ennis, with very limited game time at this level, a clearly disinterested Campbell and a young kid will be a tough ask
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 5, 2024 17:35:45 GMT
Yeah - can't argue there. But the mood music from early on in January seemed to be suggesting he was happy to see the season out with Thompson, Tchamadeu, Gooch, and the ghost of Stevens - so can't say it was really a surprise that we didn't get anyone in, just from the hints in the press etc. But it does look crazy to have left ourselves in this situation, and it all stems from the botched summer recruitment Before the last fortnight, statistics* would argue that we had a fairly tight goals conceded column, but a painfully thin goals scored column, so I understand Schumaker focusing on t'top end of the pitch. It's just that a couple of hammer blows to the GA column has rendered that rather redundant. Guess it shows the danger in relying on statistics to set policy. Our defence has looked painfully vulnerable all season and has been liable to panicking when tested. Plenty of posters on here have been advocating that the defence isn't a problem too so it's obviously a matter of conflicting opinions But.. When you cant score many you simply have to defend well and we look weak at both ends of the pitch. Sure we badly needed better attack options but it was foolish not to strengthen our defence whilst doing that and its obvious.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2024 17:37:51 GMT
I get that mate and I was simply using Moore as an example. I'm not knocking Ennis either as I've not seen much of him (30 minutes on Saturday being it). I'm just confused why we let Gayle and Tezgel go. Not that Gayle is any good or Tezgel tested at this level but at least are both warm bodies to put out on the pitch if Ennis and Campbell revert to type on the treatment table. Well a lukewarm body in Gayle's case. Yeah - 2 more options. As you say, not sure Tezgel or Gayle would have really added much, if anything, though. And we haven't even mentioned Wes! Is he finished too? Who knows? In terms of Champ strikers, neither is probably up to it for the next few months. If Schumacher thinks Lowe is currently above Tezgel, that says it all because Lowe looks like a fish out of water. And that's no comment on what they both might become in 2-3 years. Trying to squeeze 16 games and comfortable survival out of an injury-prone Ennis, with very limited game time at this level, a clearly disinterested Campbell and a young kid will be a tough ask Every single one of our strikers would look better in a two. We’ve spent 2 years now recruiting to play 433 and it’s the only formation that we can’t play 😂. Lowe and Ennis up front together with Bae may at least offer some sort of high press and energy that has been sorely lacking up front all season.
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Mmaee
Feb 5, 2024 17:38:43 GMT
Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 5, 2024 17:38:43 GMT
I get that mate and I was simply using Moore as an example. I'm not knocking Ennis either as I've not seen much of him (30 minutes on Saturday being it). I'm just confused why we let Gayle and Tezgel go. Not that Gayle is any good or Tezgel tested at this level but at least are both warm bodies to put out on the pitch if Ennis and Campbell revert to type on the treatment table. Well a lukewarm body in Gayle's case. Yeah - 2 more options. As you say, not sure Tezgel or Gayle would have really added much, if anything, though. And we haven't even mentioned Wes! Is he finished too? Who knows? In terms of Champ strikers, neither is probably up to it for the next few months. If Schumacher thinks Lowe is currently above Tezgel, that says it all because Lowe looks like a fish out of water. And that's no comment on what they both might become in 2-3 years. Trying to squeeze 16 games and comfortable survival out of an injury-prone Ennis, with very limited game time at this level, a clearly disinterested Campbell and a young kid will be a tough ask Yeah bang on mate it's a right Royal fuck up. Started in the summer and compounded in January.
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Post by skip on Feb 5, 2024 17:43:13 GMT
I get that mate and I was simply using Moore as an example. I'm not knocking Ennis either as I've not seen much of him (30 minutes on Saturday being it). I'm just confused why we let Gayle and Tezgel go. Not that Gayle is any good or Tezgel tested at this level but at least are both warm bodies to put out on the pitch if Ennis and Campbell revert to type on the treatment table. Well a lukewarm body in Gayle's case. Yeah - 2 more options. As you say, not sure Tezgel or Gayle would have really added much, if anything, though. And we haven't even mentioned Wes! Is he finished too? Who knows? In terms of Champ strikers, neither is probably up to it for the next few months. If Schumacher thinks Lowe is currently above Tezgel, that says it all because Lowe looks like a fish out of water. And that's no comment on what they both might become in 2-3 years. Trying to squeeze 16 games and comfortable survival out of an injury-prone Ennis, with very limited game time at this level, a clearly disinterested Campbell and a young kid will be a tough askI suppose that is what Schu means when he alludes to the midfield chipping in with goals. Vidigal scoring a few wouldn't go amiss, and Junho breaking his duck (I am desperate him to do so!).
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Post by baconburger on Feb 5, 2024 19:05:35 GMT
Before the last fortnight, statistics* would argue that we had a fairly tight goals conceded column, but a painfully thin goals scored column, so I understand Schumaker focusing on t'top end of the pitch. It's just that a couple of hammer blows to the GA column has rendered that rather redundant. Guess it shows the danger in relying on statistics to set policy. Our defence has looked painfully vulnerable all season and has been liable to panicking when tested. Plenty of posters on here have been advocating that the defence isn't a problem too so it's obviously a matter of conflicting opinions But.. When you cant score many you simply have to defend well and we look weak at both ends of the pitch. Sure we badly needed better attack options but it was foolish not to strengthen our defence whilst doing that and its obvious. Moving away from the perfect world you have to prioritise your problems. Our problem has been scoring goals for a long time which we keep attempting unsuccessfully to remedy. If you can make some headway on that then you can start to look at other less pressing issues. The idea that when you can’t score goals you prioritise and divert more resources into defence is for the birds, Lamberteasque.
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Mmaee
Feb 5, 2024 19:18:22 GMT
Post by iglugluk on Feb 5, 2024 19:18:22 GMT
Guess it shows the danger in relying on statistics to set policy. Our defence has looked painfully vulnerable all season and has been liable to panicking when tested. Plenty of posters on here have been advocating that the defence isn't a problem too so it's obviously a matter of conflicting opinions But.. When you cant score many you simply have to defend well and we look weak at both ends of the pitch. Sure we badly needed better attack options but it was foolish not to strengthen our defence whilst doing that and its obvious. Moving away from the perfect world you have to prioritise your problems. Our problem has been scoring goals for a long time which we keep attempting unsuccessfully to remedy. If you can make some headway on that then you can start to look at other less pressing issues. The idea that when you can’t score goals you prioritise and divert more resources into defence is for the birds, Lamberteasque. I disagree.. a functional transfer team should be operating on more than one front, SCFC is a big business afterall. Focus may be on the major problem and so it should but they should also be actively looking at left backs and better centre backs if available. They did make time to bring in an unnecessary midfielder afterall. I'm not saying such players were available but given the managers comments I suspect the thinking was 'it'll do for now'. One dimensional thinking can lead to missed opportunities.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Feb 5, 2024 19:20:41 GMT
Has he gone cold Turkey yet
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Mmaee
Feb 5, 2024 19:34:48 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Feb 5, 2024 19:34:48 GMT
Moving away from the perfect world you have to prioritise your problems. Our problem has been scoring goals for a long time which we keep attempting unsuccessfully to remedy. If you can make some headway on that then you can start to look at other less pressing issues. The idea that when you can’t score goals you prioritise and divert more resources into defence is for the birds, Lamberteasque. I disagree.. a functional transfer team should be operating on more than one front, SCFC is a big business afterall. Focus may be on the major problem and so it should but they should also be actively looking at left backs and better centre backs if available. They did make time to bring in an unnecessary midfielder afterall. I'm not saying such players were available but given the managers comments I suspect the thinking was 'it'll do for now'. One dimensional thinking can lead to missed opportunities. Who says they aren’t looking at them? They could have targets in mind and are waiting for their contract situations to become advantageous. We’ve just come through a window where we’ve been able to do one deal of any significance and that was with a club desperate for money. We’ve signed numerous defenders, many of our fans just don’t like the ones we’ve signed.
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Mmaee
Feb 5, 2024 19:48:45 GMT
Post by iglugluk on Feb 5, 2024 19:48:45 GMT
I disagree.. a functional transfer team should be operating on more than one front, SCFC is a big business afterall. Focus may be on the major problem and so it should but they should also be actively looking at left backs and better centre backs if available. They did make time to bring in an unnecessary midfielder afterall. I'm not saying such players were available but given the managers comments I suspect the thinking was 'it'll do for now'. One dimensional thinking can lead to missed opportunities. Who says they aren’t looking at them? They could have targets in mind and are waiting for their contract situations to become advantageous. We’ve just come through a window where we’ve been able to do one deal of any significance and that was with a club desperate for money. We’ve signed numerous defenders, many of our fans just don’t like the ones we’ve signed. Obtuse I have no idea who's saying they aren't.. certainly not me. I'm referring to what appears to have been the assumption that we are ok until the summer and the comments that gave that impression during the window just gone, I'm not referring to the next one. I certainly recognise we need more goals but, as I said, I dont think that precluded looking at an addition ( possibly 2 ) in defence. I don't think we are ok at the back ( it's obvious we're not good in attack either too ).. maybe you do, but ultimately we will find out. If it was a calculated gamble then I think it is dangerous and could risk our place in this division.
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Post by Timmy on Feb 5, 2024 20:07:40 GMT
Yeah - 2 more options. As you say, not sure Tezgel or Gayle would have really added much, if anything, though. And we haven't even mentioned Wes! Is he finished too? Who knows? In terms of Champ strikers, neither is probably up to it for the next few months. If Schumacher thinks Lowe is currently above Tezgel, that says it all because Lowe looks like a fish out of water. And that's no comment on what they both might become in 2-3 years. Trying to squeeze 16 games and comfortable survival out of an injury-prone Ennis, with very limited game time at this level, a clearly disinterested Campbell and a young kid will be a tough ask Every single one of our strikers would look better in a two. We’ve spent 2 years now recruiting to play 433 and it’s the only formation that we can’t play 😂. Lowe and Ennis up front together with Bae may at least offer some sort of high press and energy that has been sorely lacking up front all season. Lowe has scored one professional goal to his name and missed numerous sitters, jury is still out for me but the lad still has time on his side. A loan out would have been more beneficial for him!
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Mmaee
Feb 5, 2024 20:10:46 GMT
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 5, 2024 20:10:46 GMT
Can't Mmaee just say sorry, mend his ways and crack on? His career to this point would suggest that’s not in his remit. I don’t know why but it seems to be a thing with some Moroccan players that have questionable commitment to the game. Mmaee, Assaidi, Tarrabt & Sofiane Boufal all spring immediately to mind, immensely talented players but never really went anywhere with their careers.
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Feb 5, 2024 20:16:04 GMT
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Post by andystokey on Feb 5, 2024 20:16:04 GMT
I'm fairly sure he wasn't a manager pick! Call me whatever you like, but it was made crystal-clear when Schumacher was appointed, that he is Head-Coach and not First-Team Manager. I also thought that a Recruitment Team was established to identify and 'Recruit' new players. If the coach can't get a tune out of them after tgat and they are hopeless then it's clear the coach stays and the recruitment team get the heave ho. Doubtful Tricky will sack himself so its JCs problem to deal.
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Post by sportsman on Feb 5, 2024 20:23:17 GMT
Just all muck in and get on with it. Too much over thinking
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 5, 2024 20:37:10 GMT
Remember how easy folk said it would be to replace Jacob Brown?
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 5, 2024 20:50:22 GMT
Remember how easy folk said it would be to replace Jacob Brown? It would be for most clubs.
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Mmaee
Feb 5, 2024 20:50:48 GMT
Post by cheadlestokie on Feb 5, 2024 20:50:48 GMT
Well most will probably disagree but I thought Lowe played ok when he played centrally on Saturday in very difficult circumstances.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 5, 2024 21:15:24 GMT
I’ve hardened my opinion on Mmaee, if he doesn’t apologise immediately for his behaviour then he should be bombed out big time and made an example of. Back the manager to the hilt and fuck any ill disciplined mardarses right off.
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Feb 5, 2024 21:24:06 GMT
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Post by bingbang on Feb 5, 2024 21:24:06 GMT
I wonder if the club has a department that works with the young foreign players when they sign ? Such as helping them with housing, social activities just generally helping them understand the culture. It must be very daunting if you're just holed up in a hotel all the time.
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 5, 2024 21:51:55 GMT
I wonder if the club has a department that works with the young foreign players when they sign ? Such as helping them with housing, social activities just generally helping them understand the culture. It must be very daunting if you're just holed up in a hotel all the time. Of course they do. Mmaee, Vidigal, Leris and Burger were in Silverdale Workings men's Club playing darts with Denise after the Rotherham home game.
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Feb 5, 2024 22:03:18 GMT
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Post by bingbang on Feb 5, 2024 22:03:18 GMT
I wonder if the club has a department that works with the young foreign players when they sign ? Such as helping them with housing, social activities just generally helping them understand the culture. It must be very daunting if you're just holed up in a hotel all the time. Of course they do. Mmaee, Vidigal, Leris and Burger were in Silverdale Workings men's Club playing darts with Denise after the Rotherham home game. Denise ?
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Feb 5, 2024 22:09:05 GMT
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 5, 2024 22:09:05 GMT
Of course they do. Mmaee, Vidigal, Leris and Burger were in Silverdale Workings men's Club playing darts with Denise after the Rotherham home game. Denise ? Yeh... she likes a half of Carling and a couple of games on the arrows. She's honorary memberof SWMC. Loves the pig pudding on Saturday night.
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Feb 5, 2024 22:27:01 GMT
Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 5, 2024 22:27:01 GMT
I’ve hardened my opinion on Mmaee, if he doesn’t apologise immediately for his behaviour then he should be bombed out big time and made an example of. Back the manager to the hilt and fuck any ill disciplined mardarses right off. Got to be, otherwise we might as well fuck the manager off. It would take his legs from under him. He'd lose all respect from the rest of the players.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 5, 2024 22:31:26 GMT
I’ve hardened my opinion on Mmaee, if he doesn’t apologise immediately for his behaviour then he should be bombed out big time and made an example of. Back the manager to the hilt and fuck any ill disciplined mardarses right off. You get the feeling it’s gone past that point. I really, really hope he’s not been that much of a knob and that we haven’t fucked up as much as we might have done in trying to flog him. If the fall out is repairable, shake hands, say sorry and move on because we need more quality, not less. I do suspect Mmaee is probably completely done for though.
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Feb 5, 2024 23:03:09 GMT
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Post by PotteringThrough on Feb 5, 2024 23:03:09 GMT
Can anyone enlighten me as to what's supposed to have happened in this fallout heard a few rumours here and there but not sure what to believe. What rumours have you heard? Gives us a basis from which to start
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2024 0:34:15 GMT
Every single one of our strikers would look better in a two. We’ve spent 2 years now recruiting to play 433 and it’s the only formation that we can’t play 😂. Lowe and Ennis up front together with Bae may at least offer some sort of high press and energy that has been sorely lacking up front all season. Lowe has scored one professional goal to his name and missed numerous sitters, jury is still out for me but the lad still has time on his side. A loan out would have been more beneficial for him! I’m not sure if he’s missed any sitters really, never mind numerous. He doesn’t really get into good enough positions to do that. My point for playing Lowe was more what he’d do out of possession than in it anyways. Wesley isn’t interested in closing players down, neither are Campbell or Mmaee. It doesn’t have to be Lowe. I mean, I’d play Baker up top to do it if he would. Just someone to close down out of possession and to stop the other team’s central defenders doubling up on Ennis. Ennis’ previous work at Plymouth was in a 2, so having him isolated up to seems like a bad idea here.
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Post by idle on Feb 6, 2024 7:06:22 GMT
[Ennis’ previous work at Plymouth was in a 2, so having him isolated up to seems like a bad idea here. So we're back to the 3-4-1-2. I'm thinking it's our only chance, as we don't have the forwards to play 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 even if we've recruited for it... I'm not against going back to 3 at the back, with Million and Junior on the wingbacks. Hoever looks much better at RCB than RB.
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Mmaee
Feb 6, 2024 8:29:54 GMT
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Post by baconburger on Feb 6, 2024 8:29:54 GMT
[Ennis’ previous work at Plymouth was in a 2, so having him isolated up to seems like a bad idea here. So we're back to the 3-4-1-2. I'm thinking it's our only chance, as we don't have the forwards to play 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 even if we've recruited for it... I'm not against going back to 3 at the back, with Million and Junior on the wingbacks. Hoever looks much better at RCB than RB. I’m really not sure we can take a bloke who’s just about our last chance this season to get this team scoring then play him as a WB.
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