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Post by baconburger on Feb 3, 2024 22:08:45 GMT
When he said he wanted to fight for his place I thought that was a good thing. Until now... Be the first fight he’s wanted since he got here.
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 3, 2024 22:14:52 GMT
Regardless of whether Mmaee has been rocking the apple cart in training, he wasn’t part of the squad today and yet still we conspired to put in one of the worst performances since we were relegated. So let’s not delude ourselves that the problem is just Mmaee.
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Post by march4 on Feb 3, 2024 22:20:25 GMT
For those who listened to Radio Stoke did the commentator really say other journalists had told him a rumour about Wesley, Mmaee and Clark that he couldn’t repeat on the air.
Did he really say that and has anyone an idea what he was talking about?
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Feb 3, 2024 22:24:41 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 3, 2024 22:24:41 GMT
For those who listened to Radio Stoke did the commentator really say other journalists had told him a rumour about Wesley, Mmaee and Clark that he couldn’t repeat on the air. Did he really say that and has anyone an idea what he was talking about? Wesley was rumoured to be going to join the Saudi revolution but I don’t know what happened there?
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 3, 2024 22:24:43 GMT
For those who listened to Radio Stoke did the commentator really say other journalists had told him a rumour about Wesley, Mmaee and Clark that he couldn’t repeat on the air. Did he really say that and has anyone an idea what he was talking about? Sohail apparently said something at half-time along the lines of "I've been given a nugget of information, but I can't share it on air"
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Post by bassmaster on Feb 3, 2024 22:35:01 GMT
For those who listened to Radio Stoke did the commentator really say other journalists had told him a rumour about Wesley, Mmaee and Clark that he couldn’t repeat on the air. Did he really say that and has anyone an idea what he was talking about? Sohail apparently said something at half-time along the lines of "I've been given a nugget of information, but I can't share it on air" He did indeed say that which begs the question, what is an independent professional doing that he is able to mention it very clearly, yet not explain it to a fee paying audience?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Feb 3, 2024 22:36:20 GMT
Sohail apparently said something at half-time along the lines of "I've been given a nugget of information, but I can't share it on air" He did indeed say that which begs the question, what is an independent professional doing that he is able to mention it very clearly, yet not explain it to a fee paying audience? Agree totally irresponsible to mention it and of course it can’t be validated either way
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Post by wearepremierleague on Feb 3, 2024 22:37:35 GMT
Would have probably been about birds flying over the stadium if it came from Sohail anyway.
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Feb 3, 2024 22:52:45 GMT
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Post by stokieinlondon on Feb 3, 2024 22:52:45 GMT
I’m new to any of this. What’s the story? (I can’t find the news)
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Feb 3, 2024 23:28:44 GMT
For those who listened to Radio Stoke did the commentator really say other journalists had told him a rumour about Wesley, Mmaee and Clark that he couldn’t repeat on the air. Did he really say that and has anyone an idea what he was talking about? Wesley was rumoured to be going to join the Saudi revolution but I don’t know what happened there? They'd cut his hand off for stealing a wage.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 4, 2024 0:02:41 GMT
He did indeed say that which begs the question, what is an independent professional doing that he is able to mention it very clearly, yet not explain it to a fee paying audience? Agree totally irresponsible to mention it and of course it can’t be validated either way I think libel laws make journalists careful not to say anything which is just hearsay. He probably felt that fans should know something had happened without actually being able to say anything specific which means it must be something serious
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Feb 4, 2024 0:23:47 GMT
Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 4, 2024 0:23:47 GMT
Chicken and egg isn’t it this one? And where to draw the line. If he’s been a proper twat then yes, you should probably fuck him off. But also, what else is there? He was one of our marquee summer signings who you don’t want to write off after 6 months.
Another disaster. He’ll be gone come August.
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Feb 4, 2024 0:25:10 GMT
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Post by march4 on Feb 4, 2024 0:25:10 GMT
Agree totally irresponsible to mention it and of course it can’t be validated either way I think libel laws make journalists careful not to say anything which is just hearsay. He probably felt that fans should know something had happened without actually being able to say anything specific which means it must be something serious Then surely one of those journalists will corroborate the story and print it.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 4, 2024 0:33:19 GMT
Chicken and egg isn’t it this one? And where to draw the line. If he’s been a proper twat then yes, you should probably fuck him off. But also, what else is there? He was one of our marquee summer signings who you don’t want to write off after 6 months. Another disaster. He’ll be gone come August. I suspect he'll be gone before the Turkish Transfer Window closes next week.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 4, 2024 0:36:55 GMT
Chicken and egg isn’t it this one? And where to draw the line. If he’s been a proper twat then yes, you should probably fuck him off. But also, what else is there? He was one of our marquee summer signings who you don’t want to write off after 6 months. Another disaster. He’ll be gone come August. I suspect he'll be gone before the Turkish Transfer Window closes next week. Quite probably. With us stumping up a big chunk of his wages still. Will any of them take Baker? If he does go it leaves us with an increasingly unpopular Campbell, an injury prone Ennis, an 18 year old Lowe and a Brazilian Carthorse in Wesley. It’s a thoroughly frightening prospect whatever happens. This Manhoef had better be shit hot.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 4, 2024 0:41:34 GMT
A piece of information that I think is relevant to this comes from one of those 'meet the player' nights back when Neil was in charge. I think it came the week after the Sunderland and Leeds home wins, so the mood was generally pretty positive.
They did one of those daft games where a person in the audience asks a question and the three players (Pearson, Hoever and Tezgel) have to write another players' name on the whiteboard. The question was 'who gets the most fines?' and all three players answered 'Mmaee' in a flash, because he's always late for training. I tried not to think too much of it; Fuller was no model employee but his ability on the pitch cut him a little slack. I really, really wanted Mmaee to be cut from the same cloth. At the time, the jury was still out on Mmaee. I've felt a bit uneasy about so many posters really tying themselves to Mmaee since then.
I suppose my point is that this is not a sudden thing that has only started since Schumacher arrived.
After Schumacher arrived, we drew 0-0 at home with Millwall and he went way over the top with praise for Mmaee:
“Absolutely. But again, you’ve got to get people in the right positions. The eights have got to score more goals, they’ve got to get forward and get into dangerous areas. I thought Ryan Mmaee, by the way, was brilliant. I know he didn't score but his all-round game today was excellent.
“He led the line for 90 minutes on his own. I think he gave the ball away once, maybe twice in the whole game, and he was a threat all the time and just the shots that he had unfortunately were blocked. If he keeps putting himself in those positions, he'll score the goals that were going to need.”
Then you have the Sunderland game. Denis Smith was on the radio going bonkers at our strikers, saying at one point that you have to keep turning up and doing drills to improve your finishing, no matter how boring it gets. I think Denis knows plenty about what goes on at the club, so it wasn't a coincidence that after the game you had Schumacher say the following:
"I've just said it's not good enough that we don't hit the target enough. The only way we can get better is by working on the training ground and taking it seriously because I think earlier on in the season, creating opportunities at this club was difficult. Since we've been here, that's changed. We've created a lot of good chances, got into good areas.
"Strikers have got to expect that they are going to get those chances, and midfield players too, and we have to make it count. So we have to concentrate every single day when we do it in training, when we work on things. We have to take it seriously because if you don't, when you come into the stadiums when the pressure is on, you're not going to get it right either."
My guess would be that we're seeing a progression of management approaches from trying to bring him into the fold with praise and seeing if it affects his behaviour to calling it out publically. If that doesn't work, why wouldn't you move him on? He's not exactly backed it up with performances on the pitch. O'Neill came in and did the same with N'Diaye and Etebo beacuse they didn't buy into his vision and were more interested in their next move. I also get the impression that Schumacher values more pace in his centre forwards.
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Post by baconburger on Feb 4, 2024 9:51:25 GMT
If that’s factually correct he should have been sold as a priority. Christ did we not check “references” on basic things like attitude at his previous club. I seem to remember the Ferencvaros fans weren't particularly enamoured with his attitude. Can't remember the specifics, but there weren't many tears even though they largely thought he was a good player Add that to the fact he can’t even get into the Moroccan squad kind of starts building a broader picture that the he is just not worth it. The bloke obviously thinks he’s far better than he is. Coming to England has just further exposed him. Needs to go back to some league where they play fairy football and he can go about like he’s god’s gift.
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Post by figo85 on Feb 4, 2024 9:57:26 GMT
He did indeed say that which begs the question, what is an independent professional doing that he is able to mention it very clearly, yet not explain it to a fee paying audience? Agree totally irresponsible to mention it and of course it can’t be validated either way The man’s a complete tit and a terrible commentator
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 4, 2024 10:11:02 GMT
When he said he wanted to fight for his place I thought that was a good thing. Until now... Be the first fight he’s wanted since he got here. It should be the easiest fight he has in his life given the competition.
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 4, 2024 10:20:56 GMT
That report from a previous club, if its it's true, definitely indicates he's a potentially poisonous influence so why on Earth we went ahead a wasted money on him, God only knows.. maybe it wasn't in Jared's information field!
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Post by idle on Feb 4, 2024 11:13:44 GMT
Piss off, you only started talking about it last week Edit: Sorry, too pissed off to answer properly. Pretty sure I got slated for pointing it out after a couple of games but was I me then ? It's possible, as I don't really stalk posters, but we've had arguments about him where his pace, strength and ability to function as a target man was the topic. His lazyness (who I don't agree that we've seen much of in matches) didn't come up until last week from what I've seen. If he's lazy in training that is a whole 'nother matter, that would just make him someone to get rid of for that. But not because his type of striker is neccesarily wrong to play with up front.
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Post by march4 on Feb 4, 2024 13:36:20 GMT
When do the transfer windows in other countries close?
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Feb 4, 2024 13:39:33 GMT
Post by BuzzB on Feb 4, 2024 13:39:33 GMT
When do the transfer windows in other countries close? Think I read on here that Turkey have another week.
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Feb 4, 2024 13:40:39 GMT
Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 4, 2024 13:40:39 GMT
When do the transfer windows in other countries close? Think there’s another few days in Turkey. If he’s been that much of a twat or the fallout has been that massive then he needs to go, but I hope that’s after we’ve tried everything to make it work. We have no goals in us and he’s at least got a couple in him before the end of the season you’d think. But I don’t know how much his attitude stinks. It might be worse having him around the place if he’s really that much of a tosser.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 4, 2024 13:41:45 GMT
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Post by Biblical on Feb 4, 2024 14:05:15 GMT
We’re obviously not fully privy to what’s gone on but given that Mmaee has been the best of a bad bunch of strikers when he has played then it surely has to be his attitude that has let him down.
I can’t see Schumacher being willing to get rid of arguably the best striker at the club right now otherwise.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 4, 2024 14:19:22 GMT
10 days to fuck him off back to Hungary.
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Post by somersetpotter on Feb 4, 2024 14:22:02 GMT
I seem to remember the Ferencvaros fans weren't particularly enamoured with his attitude. Can't remember the specifics, but there weren't many tears even though they largely thought he was a good player Add that to the fact he can’t even get into the Moroccan squad kind of starts building a broader picture that the he is just not worth it. The bloke obviously thinks he’s far better than he is. Coming to England has just further exposed him. Needs to go back to some league where they play fairy football and he can go about like he’s god’s gift. Morocco have plenty of strikers playing at a higher level than the championship.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 4, 2024 14:25:15 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 4, 2024 14:27:00 GMT
The 'is he an arsehole?' checks seem to have been cursory at best!
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