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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 26, 2023 21:39:16 GMT
3.... its no good turning up for 45 minutes
All this attacking talent we've accumulated and he goes 5 at the back
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Post by philb on Aug 26, 2023 21:44:19 GMT
2/10 for me and he only gets that for having the sense to change things at half time. Was so pissed off to see us playing with wingbacks again. He can’t say he hasn’t got the squad to play 433 now. No excuses.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 26, 2023 21:47:01 GMT
Just what has the manager done in the year that he’s been here? Any positives are from recruitment, he’s still not shown he has any clue how to play or who to play. He shat himself today. Five at the back v Mllwall Did you think the same after the 3 home wins mate🤔New players need time to gel and especially with so many new signings. Should have told that to Burnley last season.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 26, 2023 21:51:01 GMT
Did you think the same after the 3 home wins mate🤔New players need time to gel and especially with so many new signings. Should have told that to Burnley last season. Is that the same Burnley that took 6 points from the first 15 winning 1 game🤔
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Post by foster on Aug 26, 2023 21:58:29 GMT
A lot has to do with 'last chance saloon' for some players. I don't blame AN today. He has a few weeks left to finalise a squad and today it was clear that some weren't good enough, including the captain.
Those that dont put in a shift will he gone soon I hope.
Vidigal missed the best chance but I also feel that DJ could have done more on the edge of the box.
Burger was great. Mehdi showed promise.
The weak will be culled hopefully and in the next month we'll have a quality squad with some of the fat trimmed.
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Post by upthefud on Aug 27, 2023 0:42:28 GMT
7 for me
The team he picked was similar to one I’d have started with against a direct and physical team.
Not having Rose showed how short we are with regard to a fourth CB.
Fair play for using the half time team talk to change it. Players clearly got the message, god knows how much xG we’d have generated.
I know we lost but the second half was a performance of pure promise, and credit to Neil for being able to affect the game so much over the break.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 27, 2023 3:24:53 GMT
Fearful management. I understand the need to play it a little safe, but it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 27, 2023 7:42:26 GMT
Think it’s unfair to judge him this early with so many changes. In June we had just 8 regular first team players left so he had to bring in over a dozen new players, with a handful joining last week. He has to be applauded for the positive changes at half time and he will have learned a lot about the starting XI. It’s going to take a while for new players to settle in and yesterday could easily have been a point or maybe 3. Onward and upward let’s see how September transpires with 2 home and 3 away games in the championship.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 27, 2023 9:34:07 GMT
0 - He's been totally backed in the transfer market and right across the club but now needs to grow some balls and back it all up. He's shown hes got some with the early subs he's made in more than one game so far, compare it to MON and it's a breath of fresh air. Doesn't that show he's picked the completely wrong side and both times we've lost those games and failed to score? That breath of fresh air? Making panic subs and losing?
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Aug 27, 2023 10:07:05 GMT
I'm a Neil fan, for a few reasons, one being that we need some continuity.
That said, I've been unimpressed by two of his tactical set-ups, already this season.
I can't honestly give him too much credit for getting it terribly wrong & then needing wholesale changes to put it right.
4/10.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2023 10:15:10 GMT
Did you think the same after the 3 home wins mate🤔New players need time to gel and especially with so many new signings. Should have told that to Burnley last season. Burnley got 6 points from their first five games last season.
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Post by HarryTheHat on Aug 27, 2023 10:19:10 GMT
3 for the first half 9 for the second half
6 overall
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Post by HarryTheHat on Aug 27, 2023 10:21:17 GMT
Should have told that to Burnley last season. Burnley got 6 points from their first five games last season. That's an inconvenient truth
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 27, 2023 10:23:27 GMT
3 for the first half 9 for the second half 6 overall 9 in a game we forced the keeper into one half decent save! Are you Alex Neil?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 27, 2023 10:24:20 GMT
He's shown hes got some with the early subs he's made in more than one game so far, compare it to MON and it's a breath of fresh air. Doesn't that show he's picked the completely wrong side and both times we've lost those games and failed to score? That breath of fresh air? Making panic subs and losing? "Panic subs" that completely changed the game. Its a massive change compared to MON for example who waited until the 80th min to make any change regardless of what was happening on the pitch. Yes it turned out to be the wrong formation/set up in the end but it was understandable given the Watford result, the Ipswich game and that a couple of the new lot had only just walked through the door. You can look at it your way if you want but I chose to see it as a positive, every manager will get it wrong from time to time, it's what they do to sort it out I'm interested in.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 27, 2023 10:25:05 GMT
3 for the first half 9 for the second half 6 overall 9 in a game we forced the keeper into one half decent save! Are you Alex Neil? The fact that Vidigal missed an absolute sitter and Campbell hit the post don’t count then🤔
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 27, 2023 10:25:37 GMT
3 for the first half 9 for the second half 6 overall 9 in a game we forced the keeper into one half decent save! Are you Alex Neil? Vidigal scores one of the easiest chances he's had since he got here we'd have had a good chance of winning it
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 27, 2023 10:25:58 GMT
Doesn't that show he's picked the completely wrong side and both times we've lost those games and failed to score? That breath of fresh air? Making panic subs and losing? "Panic subs" that completely changed the game. Its a massive change compared to MON for example who waited until the 80th min to make any change regardless of what was happening on the pitch. Yes it turned out to be the wrong formation/set up in the end but it was understandable given the Watford result, the Ipswich game and that a couple of the new lot had only just walked through the door. You can look at it your way if you want but I chose to see it as a positive, every manager will get it wrong from time to time, it's what they do to sort it out I'm interested in. We lost, again.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 27, 2023 10:28:58 GMT
"Panic subs" that completely changed the game. Its a massive change compared to MON for example who waited until the 80th min to make any change regardless of what was happening on the pitch. Yes it turned out to be the wrong formation/set up in the end but it was understandable given the Watford result, the Ipswich game and that a couple of the new lot had only just walked through the door. You can look at it your way if you want but I chose to see it as a positive, every manager will get it wrong from time to time, it's what they do to sort it out I'm interested in. We lost, again. We did, well done for noticing, we've also got a 100% win record at home. It's a completely new side, it would be foolish to think there wouldn't be some crap games now and then until it settles a little.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 27, 2023 10:36:14 GMT
We did, well done for noticing, we've also got a 100% win record at home. It's a completely new side, it would be foolish to think there wouldn't be some crap games now and then until it settles a little. 100% record away also and no goals scored. Both times we've set up hopelessly wrong. Deflecting to the home record doesn't alter that. We've rarely troubled the away team keeper in both games. There's something else I need praise for noticing 👍. The settles a little excuse only counts for away games? Is a long season of course but seems the AN fans have a ridiculously long line of excuses after yet another defeat under him. The time to gel one I can see being rolled out quite a bit. He signed them so now he has to manage them like he's here to do. Failed miserably with the last bunch and for almost a while season including a few of his own.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 27, 2023 10:38:47 GMT
We did, well done for noticing, we've also got a 100% win record at home. It's a completely new side, it would be foolish to think there wouldn't be some crap games now and then until it settles a little. 100% record away also and no goals scored. Both times we've set up hopelessly wrong. Deflecting to the home record doesn't alter that. We've rarely troubled the away team keeper in both games. There's something else I need praise for noticing 👍. The settles a little excuse only counts for away games? Is a long season of course but seems the AN fans have a ridiculously long line of excuses after yet another defeat under him. The time to gel one I can see being rolled out quite a bit. He signed them so now he has to manage them like he's here to do. Failed miserably with the last bunch and for almost a while season including a few of his own. Still as negative as ever then since returning🙄Christ I don’t know why you bother
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Post by bunnyscfc on Aug 27, 2023 10:40:03 GMT
He's won 17 out of 47 games. yes, it's a new team, but he has given me very little so far over the course of almost a year to say that he's tactically astute enough to be getting some of the bonkers praise that he's getting from many on social media.
Our recruitment has improved - let's hope Alex Neil does
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 27, 2023 11:10:38 GMT
We did, well done for noticing, we've also got a 100% win record at home. It's a completely new side, it would be foolish to think there wouldn't be some crap games now and then until it settles a little. 100% record away also and no goals scored. Both times we've set up hopelessly wrong. Deflecting to the home record doesn't alter that. We've rarely troubled the away team keeper in both games. There's something else I need praise for noticing 👍. The settles a little excuse only counts for away games? Is a long season of course but seems the AN fans have a ridiculously long line of excuses after yet another defeat under him. The time to gel one I can see being rolled out quite a bit. He signed them so now he has to manage them like he's here to do. Failed miserably with the last bunch and for almost a while season including a few of his own. As expected there's things to sort out and improve on including for the manager, did you really think that everything would be hunky dory straight from the off? You can't be that naive surely.
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Post by upthefud on Aug 27, 2023 11:21:06 GMT
Should have told that to Burnley last season. Burnley got 6 points from their first five games last season. This needs highlighting for the knicker wetters. Brilliant post
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Post by foster on Aug 27, 2023 12:13:26 GMT
Burnley got 6 points from their first five games last season. This needs highlighting for the knicker wetters. Brilliant post 14 players in and counting. Everyone in the transfer thread literally agrees that AN needs time and games to get the team to gel, to give squad players opportunities, to figure out who still has a future with the club, and to figure out the best formations and tactics to best suit the new players. He's givng the fringe players a chance to prove their worth based on the previous game and before the transfer window closes. He clearly learnt a lot yesterday about what setup to avoid and which players aren't good enough for where we want to be. Then you have people rating him with 0 for doing just that.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Aug 27, 2023 12:13:32 GMT
Early days yet but the jury is still out for me. He needs to get his shit together soon
The Burnley compartison is a good one. They had a slow start but by the end of October they were motoring. Thats probably the time for judging
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Post by foster on Aug 27, 2023 12:44:36 GMT
Early days yet but the jury is still out for me. He needs to get his shit together soon The Burnley compartison is a good one. They had a slow start but by the end of October they were motoring. Thats probably the time for judging Two things I would expect AN to have learnt from yesterday is that we should a) stick to a 433 as the default formation both home and away, and b) drop Laurent and give the armband to someone more deserving. One more... drop/get rid of the inconsistent players. Notably those subbed off at half time, other than Hoever.
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Post by skip on Aug 27, 2023 12:51:32 GMT
A lot has to do with 'last chance saloon' for some players. I don't blame AN today. He has a few weeks left to finalise a squad and today it was clear that some weren't good enough, including the captain. Those that dont put in a shift will he gone soon I hope. Vidigal missed the best chance but I also feel that DJ could have done more on the edge of the box. Burger was great. Mehdi showed promise. The weak will be culled hopefully and in the next month we'll have a quality squad with some of the fat trimmed. You'd be forgiven for thinking that he treated it like a practice match - first half, play for your place, second half, new team. First half was shit, as I wonder whether he suspected? Seems a bit mad to think he sent them out in the first half to separate the sheep from the goats, but if he did - half sacrificing a win to see what happened - and he doesn't play with those players in that formation again, then it was worth it. Giving him the benefit of the doubt for some weird Machiavellian double think, 6 overall. Or if you think he simply got it wrong but had the balls to correct it, 4. - If he did do it to see what the players were made of, Tymon, Laurent and Thompson are fucked.
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Post by pavel on Aug 27, 2023 12:55:07 GMT
4 overall - 3 at the back always becomes 5 at the back giving the opposition control of the game, he's done it time and again and the result is almost always the same, awful dirge like football, toothless displays and most often a narrow loss, it's negative, cowardly safety first football when not played correctly and it rarely is at Stoke. He gets a 4 because he made changes at half time and changed tactics and shape, if he starts again with the first half approach he has absolutely no excuses left.
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Post by skip on Aug 27, 2023 12:55:32 GMT
He's won 17 out of 47 games. yes, it's a new team, but he has given me very little so far over the course of almost a year to say that he's tactically astute enough to be getting some of the bonkers praise that he's getting from many on social media. Our recruitment has improved - let's hope Alex Neil does Was discussing precisely this with my nipper on Friday. Stoke have brought in better players in theory, but Neil now needs to up his own game, coaching and managing. Selecting a starting eleven and formation is not enough to constitute being a manager.
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