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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 26, 2023 16:29:02 GMT
0 - He's been totally backed in the transfer market and right across the club but now needs to grow some balls and back it all up. 4 subs at half time? One thing we can't question is his balls. I think he had absolutely no option
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Post by lordb on Aug 26, 2023 16:34:30 GMT
4 subs at half time? One thing we can't question is his balls. I think he had absolutely no option Not convinced that previous Stoke managers would have done that, not at HT when only 1 down no matter how bad it was (very very bad) Most managers would stick with it and give the same team another 15 minutes Thats why people are giving him credit He gets no credit for the side first half, completely unprepared for what was coming
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Post by questionable on Aug 26, 2023 16:34:34 GMT
Any manager who starts with Thompson and Tymon with the wealth of players at his disposal gets 0 from me.
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Post by stayingupforbigbazza on Aug 26, 2023 16:34:53 GMT
4 another away game no goals
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 26, 2023 16:36:44 GMT
First half 0 Second half 8 Average 4 Spot on.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Aug 26, 2023 16:37:26 GMT
Awful first half, much better second half.
Probably deserved to squeek a draw.
The wes for Maee sub was odd. Mmaee needs a big brute up alongside him.
Burger looks a baller.
Leris looked great.
Hoever disinterested again.
Campbell needs to learn when to shoot and when to pass.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 26, 2023 16:38:55 GMT
I think he had absolutely no option Not convinced that previous Stoke managers would have done that, not at HT when only 1 down no matter how bad it was (very very bad) Most managers would stick with it and give the same team another 15 minutes Thats why people are giving him credit He gets no credit for the side first half, completely unprepared for what was coming Changing a team that is being hopelessly outplayed was a gimme for me.
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Post by biddulphchav on Aug 26, 2023 16:40:38 GMT
I’d have said 3 as I think he really cost us with that first half selection. The 3-5-2 or 5-3-2 against Millwall was a great example of a manager shitting himself. But he’s got to be given the benefit of the doubt as the new singings Leris and Burger have barely been in the building 5 minutes so he can have an extra point for not having thrown them in straight away. More than anything, the shape of the team in the first half cost us. We could really have done with Tymon on for Stevens in that second half, I think he’d have made a difference, same with Hoever and Leris.
He has simply got to start getting after teams from the get go. Trying to scrape draws and wins at teams like Millwall with this group of players makes zero sense and we should only be using that formation against the best sides in the league, and even then only sparingly.
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Post by ukcstokie on Aug 26, 2023 16:48:25 GMT
6 First half - 1 Second half - 8
If he continue to play 3 at the back then he's an idiot.
FFS, we bring in lots of wingers and then uses a system which doesn't use wingers.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 26, 2023 16:59:42 GMT
1st. Half 1. 2nd Half 9.
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Post by Block 26 on Aug 26, 2023 17:02:50 GMT
5 for me Wrong team at the start went balls in and changed it Hopefully he’s learnt a lesson. Away games need to be attacked Burger good Leris good Totally agree with this. 5 for me too.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 26, 2023 17:05:29 GMT
0 - Needs to grow some balls. Behave The second half was superb First half was a poor selection Can’t be superb when we didn’t score 2
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Post by willieeetmiout on Aug 26, 2023 17:09:27 GMT
First half 2. Got it wrong. AGAIN.
Second half 7. Much better.
But then subbed Wesley and it killed us.
So down to a 4.
Overall 2
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 26, 2023 17:11:36 GMT
He's shown hes got some with the early subs he's made in more than one game so far, compare it to MON and it's a breath of fresh air. Having the best budget since Rowett helps with that of course…… Budget doesn't mean managers are willing to make early subs, gives them options but not the actual bottle to do it.
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Post by thebet365 on Aug 26, 2023 17:12:07 GMT
5
I get the sticking with Thompson after a solid game against Watford. The test now is what he does with Laurent after several shit shows.
The 4 subs at half time are his big plus today, loads of managers get things wrong, hardly any admit it mid game with that sort of change.
If Vidigal doesn't miss his easiest chance of em all we could of won that in the end.
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Post by st3mark on Aug 26, 2023 17:19:52 GMT
4 subs at half time? One thing we can't question is his balls. What? He's basically admitting that he made a massive balls up with his initial selection. You'll do nothing in this league unless you are brave and go out to win games. He shit himself big time. I think that's nonsense to be honest mate.
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Post by st3mark on Aug 26, 2023 17:22:35 GMT
4 subs at half time? One thing we can't question is his balls. I think he had absolutely no option No option other than to use 4 out of the 5 subs at half time for the first time in the clubs history? It was admirable because we played a lot better but it was risky as fuck.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 26, 2023 17:23:28 GMT
2 - Any manager that thinks a 5-3-2/3-5-2 is a good idea needs to give their head a wobble. It's a fucking negative formation, I hate it. Before anyone says it worked last week I'd confidently counter that we'd have spanked Watford with a 4-3-3.
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Post by neddy on Aug 26, 2023 17:25:52 GMT
7!
Understand why he strayed with virtually the winning side last week and acted at half time to change it.
If Vidigal had scored that simple chance we could have even won…so not too disappointed.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 26, 2023 17:26:58 GMT
I think he had absolutely no option No option other than to use 4 out of the 5 subs at half time for the first time in the clubs history? It was admirable because we played a lot better but it was risky as fuck. Would have been difficult to use 4 subs in other eras of our history. When you are that outplayed in every department in the first half, how is it admirable? It's really the only option
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Post by iglugluk on Aug 26, 2023 17:37:38 GMT
7! Understand why he strayed with virtually the winning side last week and acted at half time to change it. If Vidigal had scored that simple chance we could have even won…so not too disappointed. This
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Post by st3mark on Aug 26, 2023 17:38:10 GMT
No option other than to use 4 out of the 5 subs at half time for the first time in the clubs history? It was admirable because we played a lot better but it was risky as fuck. Would have been difficult to use 4 subs in other eras of our history. When you are that outplayed in every department in the first half, how is it admirable? It's really the only option It's admirable because any other manager we have had since we came down wouldn't have had the balls to do it. And in other eras of the game going 45 mins with one sub was also a dangerous game to play. Especially when one of them comes out and gets booked for mouthing off almost straight away. Make 4 subs at half time every time the team plays shit in the first half and see how many matches you win.
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Post by lancer on Aug 26, 2023 17:39:03 GMT
7
Not going to criticize. he doesn't know his best team until he finds out what isn't his best team. He needs to see what each team/combination/formation works. I'm 100% positive that he'll soon sort out his best starting eleven and we'll enjoy a great season.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 26, 2023 17:39:48 GMT
Would have been difficult to use 4 subs in other eras of our history. When you are that outplayed in every department in the first half, how is it admirable? It's really the only option It's admirable because any other manager we have had since we came down wouldn't have had the balls to do it. And in other eras of the game going 45 mins with one sub was also a dangerous game to play. Especially when one of them comes out and gets booked for mouthing off almost straight away. Make 4 subs at half time every time the team plays shit in the first half and see how many matches you win. We simply can only guess there but seemed the obviously and only option to me to you have any chance today
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Post by stokie1947 on Aug 26, 2023 17:42:59 GMT
0-poor team selection and formation a lot better 2nd half but too little too late not learnt nothing yet from that performance at Ipswich
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Post by st3mark on Aug 26, 2023 17:44:06 GMT
It's admirable because any other manager we have had since we came down wouldn't have had the balls to do it. And in other eras of the game going 45 mins with one sub was also a dangerous game to play. Especially when one of them comes out and gets booked for mouthing off almost straight away. Make 4 subs at half time every time the team plays shit in the first half and see how many matches you win. We simply can only guess there but seemed the obviously and only option to me to you have any chance today It's a fair opinion mate. I just think it's a costly decision. It worked technically because we were twice the team second half. 3 subs could have been equally impactful in my opinion yet left us with 2 more options later in the game.
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Post by idle on Aug 26, 2023 17:44:30 GMT
4.
Shit tactics and selection (although they are linked) in the 1st half. Balls to sub the 4 most underperforming ones including his captain.
We've signed a ton of attacking players, why use the most defensive formation used in the game? The two wingers and fullbacks gave us an outlet we sorely missed in the first half.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 26, 2023 17:47:42 GMT
No option other than to use 4 out of the 5 subs at half time for the first time in the clubs history? It was admirable because we played a lot better but it was risky as fuck. Would have been difficult to use 4 subs in other eras of our history. When you are that outplayed in every department in the first half, how is it admirable? It's really the only option I am not going to give him a pass on this because it was obvious after 20 minutes that Millwall was controlling the midfield. He should have brought Pearson on for Thompson then because he made a big difference in 2nd half by shutting Millwall down before they got too close. He’s made a sub in the first half before and he should have done it today. Thompson may have had three good games but Pearson is a much better defensive midfield player and should have started.if he had we would likely taken all three points.
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Post by ginkgo on Aug 26, 2023 18:06:58 GMT
7! Understand why he strayed with virtually the winning side last week and acted at half time to change it. If Vidigal had scored that simple chance we could have even won…so not too disappointed. This Ditto
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 26, 2023 18:11:23 GMT
Billionaire backing , multi million budget bog standard average manager we don’t learn that lesson , it’s the most important role in the club , he’s now been out thought completely by Rowett in two meetings , out thought by a whole series of other bog standard championship managers over his year . . He’s been here a year and anyone can trigger this level of change but right now his record over that 12 months suggests he’s done nothing for the trajectory today was another game thrown away by his approach and selection begore it started .
Questions starting to be posed by some of the sweet shop spending Chiquino and Mmaee looking lost causes . Others to be fair look good travers and vidigal.
He needs a big week this week with considered movement , desperately needs a striker and rough house centre half and he needs to improve himself otherwise it’s going to a long autumn .
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