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Post by fortressbritannia on Aug 23, 2023 23:16:43 GMT
Just reading the Lucy Letby thread, and there was a albeit brief, chat about the death penalty. Just wondered what everyone else's opinion is?
Now I am uncomfortable with the death penalty, I believe in giving people a second chance as part of a progressive rehabilitative society. Even those who have committed offences like murder or rape I belive should be treated and have to opportunity to become contributing members of society. Though I doubt I'd feel the same if myself or my family were the victim!
However, as someone who works in the criminal justice sector, I see the same faces on a regular basis on a seemingly revolving door situation. I was talking to a mate about my work and the issues in the criminal justice system currently. He asked me what I thought the solution was and undoubtedly we need massive amount of funding pumped into things like drug and alcohol services, housing as well as other treatment programmes and interventions. Though I said even if these things improved vastly I reckon I'd see the same faces, as I don't think they want to rehabilitate.
Though, admittedly in a utopian world, let's say we had the greatest rehabilitative services with no waiting lists, budgetary restrictions or post code lottery. I could see myself supporting the death penalty for repeat offenders. Sort of if you commit X numbers of offences across a certain time period and you've not engaged in rehabilitation or you've not changed then that's it.
This will never happen as we will never have the level of rehabilitative services needed. But would it be harsh to sentence someone to death for repeated shoplifting for example?.
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 24, 2023 0:02:20 GMT
Just reading the Lucy Letby thread, and there was a albeit brief, chat about the death penalty. Just wondered what everyone else's opinion is? Now I am uncomfortable with the death penalty, I believe in giving people a second chance as part of a progressive rehabilitative society. Even those who have committed offences like murder or rape I belive should be treated and have to opportunity to become contributing members of society. Though I doubt I'd feel the same if myself or my family were the victim! However, as someone who works in the criminal justice sector, I see the same faces on a regular basis on a seemingly revolving door situation. I was talking to a mate about my work and the issues in the criminal justice system currently. He asked me what I thought the solution was and undoubtedly we need massive amount of funding pumped into things like drug and alcohol services, housing as well as other treatment programmes and interventions. Though I said even if these things improved vastly I reckon I'd see the same faces, as I don't think they want to rehabilitate. Though, admittedly in a utopian world, let's say we had the greatest rehabilitative services with no waiting lists, budgetary restrictions or post code lottery. I could see myself supporting the death penalty for repeat offenders. Sort of if you commit X numbers of offences across a certain time period and you've not engaged in rehabilitation or you've not changed then that's it. This will never happen as we will never have the level of rehabilitative services needed. But would it be harsh to sentence someone to death for repeated shoplifting for example?. Mine is that it typically costs more money to go through the appeals process etc for an inmate on death row than it does for lifelong prison. It doesn’t act as a deterrent. You also have the risk of killing people that aren’t actually guilty. There are a lot of studies that have shown disproportionate numbers of minorities have been murdered for the death penalty. Justice might be blind but humans aren’t. If we all lived in somewhere with a limited justice system, the death penalty would be cost effective. Not many British citizens are lining up to go live in those countries though.
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Post by dutchstokie on Aug 24, 2023 6:45:30 GMT
I make many flippant remarks on here on this subject, but truthfully, I would bring it back WHEN the evidence has been 100% concrete and nailed on that the perpatrator is found guilty.
Investment in new methods of analysing evidnce, DNA strand screening and much more besides, shows we have the technology at our finger tips. Honestly there should be more investment but thats for the number crunchers to sort out.
When you see/read heart breaking cases of toddlers and babies being beaten and murdered and people on here begin to take the high road and play devils adovcate, with the "yeah but"........come on !
Education and good parenting, starting a persons life in the proper way and teaching a child right from wrong, in my opinion is something thats sorely lacking in society.
Is National Service worth bringing back to instill discipline and teach people to work together and bring order to peoples lives....? I dont know the answer to this.
Sadly it will never happen but definitely a good thread to see peoples outlook on how things can improve.
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Post by henry on Aug 24, 2023 7:21:21 GMT
Being locked up for the rest of your life is a far better punishment. Death is the easy way out. So it’s a no from me.
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Post by henry on Aug 24, 2023 7:37:59 GMT
I make many flippant remarks on here on this subject, but truthfully, I would bring it back WHEN the evidence has been 100% concrete and nailed on that the perpatrator is found guilty. Investment in new methods of analysing evidnce, DNA strand screening and much more besides, shows we have the technology at our finger tips. Honestly there should be more investment but thats for the number crunchers to sort out. When you see/read heart breaking cases of toddlers and babies being beaten and murdered and people on here begin to take the high road and play devils adovcate, with the "yeah but"........come on ! Education and good parenting, starting a persons life in the proper way and teaching a child right from wrong, in my opinion is something thats sorely lacking in society. Is National Service worth bringing back to instill discipline and teach people to work together and bring order to peoples lives....? I dont know the answer to this. Sadly it will never happen but definitely a good thread to see peoples outlook on how things can improve. “They ought ta bring back national service “ heard this many times in the pub by older people who didn’t actually do it themselves. It’s a dreadful idea.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 24, 2023 7:39:37 GMT
Would it be "harsh" to give someone the death penalty for repeated shoplifting? That's one word for it. Another would be "barbaric" - as in the act of a society that has relinquished any pretence at civilised behaviour.
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 24, 2023 7:45:06 GMT
Id bring it back for crimes that have been 100% proven beyond all reasonable doubt, for murderers, rapists and pedophiles.....and cyclists that don't move over and let me overtake.
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Post by musik on Aug 24, 2023 8:08:39 GMT
I make many flippant remarks on here on this subject, but truthfully, I would bring it back WHEN the evidence has been 100% concrete and nailed on that the perpatrator is found guilty. Investment in new methods of analysing evidnce, DNA strand screening and much more besides, shows we have the technology at our finger tips. Honestly there should be more investment but thats for the number crunchers to sort out. When you see/read heart breaking cases of toddlers and babies being beaten and murdered and people on here begin to take the high road and play devils adovcate, with the "yeah but"........come on ! Education and good parenting, starting a persons life in the proper way and teaching a child right from wrong, in my opinion is something thats sorely lacking in society. Is National Service worth bringing back to instill discipline and teach people to work together and bring order to peoples lives....? I dont know the answer to this. Sadly it will never happen but definitely a good thread to see peoples outlook on how things can improve. “They ought ta bring back national service “ heard this many times in the pub by older people who didn’t actually do it themselves. It’s a dreadful idea. National service, is that what we in Sweden call Samhällstjänst (Societal service)? We have had that for as long as I remember. Basically it means sending the convicted to work with something. Very common. We have to, the prisons are overfilled. Have never heard any complaints in society about this model.
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Post by eccythump on Aug 24, 2023 8:10:35 GMT
I make many flippant remarks on here on this subject, but truthfully, I would bring it back WHEN the evidence has been 100% concrete and nailed on that the perpatrator is found guilty. Investment in new methods of analysing evidnce, DNA strand screening and much more besides, shows we have the technology at our finger tips. Honestly there should be more investment but thats for the number crunchers to sort out. When you see/read heart breaking cases of toddlers and babies being beaten and murdered and people on here begin to take the high road and play devils adovcate, with the "yeah but"........come on ! Education and good parenting, starting a persons life in the proper way and teaching a child right from wrong, in my opinion is something thats sorely lacking in society. Is National Service worth bringing back to instill discipline and teach people to work together and bring order to peoples lives....? I dont know the answer to this. Sadly it will never happen but definitely a good thread to see peoples outlook on how things can improve. “They ought ta bring back national service “ heard this many times in the pub by older people who didn’t actually do it themselves. It’s a dreadful idea. National service is a terrible idea, we are amongst the finest military forces in the world, highly trained and highly disciplined, resources would be stretched, and effectiveness diluted somewhat by a bunch of no hope scrotes who do not want to be there and are beyond moulding in to shape.
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Post by musik on Aug 24, 2023 8:12:19 GMT
“They ought ta bring back national service “ heard this many times in the pub by older people who didn’t actually do it themselves. It’s a dreadful idea. National service is a terrible idea, we are amongst the finest military forces in the world, highly trained and highly disciplined, resources would be stretched, and effectiveness diluted somewhat by a bunch of no hope scrotes who do not want to be there and are beyond moulding in to shape. Ahaa ... Now I get it. National service is like our Militärtjänst in Sweden (Military service).
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Post by oggyoggy on Aug 24, 2023 8:22:50 GMT
Just reading the Lucy Letby thread, and there was a albeit brief, chat about the death penalty. Just wondered what everyone else's opinion is? Now I am uncomfortable with the death penalty, I believe in giving people a second chance as part of a progressive rehabilitative society. Even those who have committed offences like murder or rape I belive should be treated and have to opportunity to become contributing members of society. Though I doubt I'd feel the same if myself or my family were the victim! However, as someone who works in the criminal justice sector, I see the same faces on a regular basis on a seemingly revolving door situation. I was talking to a mate about my work and the issues in the criminal justice system currently. He asked me what I thought the solution was and undoubtedly we need massive amount of funding pumped into things like drug and alcohol services, housing as well as other treatment programmes and interventions. Though I said even if these things improved vastly I reckon I'd see the same faces, as I don't think they want to rehabilitate. Though, admittedly in a utopian world, let's say we had the greatest rehabilitative services with no waiting lists, budgetary restrictions or post code lottery. I could see myself supporting the death penalty for repeat offenders. Sort of if you commit X numbers of offences across a certain time period and you've not engaged in rehabilitation or you've not changed then that's it. This will never happen as we will never have the level of rehabilitative services needed. But would it be harsh to sentence someone to death for repeated shoplifting for example?. I think cost is a huge issue. It costs the state tens of millions of pounds to execute someone in the USA. You have to exhaust all appeals and everything else first. It costs a fortune. Is it cheaper than keeping someone in prison for life? I don’t know. It depends how old they are perhaps. Repeat violent offenders could be treated with chemicals to reduce testosterone perhaps. Chemical castration. If it stop’s offending, it is surely better than the death penalty, which would need to be an absolute last resort in only the most awful crimes. I am also concerned about cases such as Andrew Malkinson. Convicted of stranger rape because of witness evidence and he spent 17 years in prison. After 4 years in prison, it turned out that the police had DNA evidence proving the guilt of somebody else and proving Malkinson’s innocence. He spent 17 years in prison for a crime he did not commit, 13 of those years could have been avoided had the authorities done their job properly. Rare, of course, but still worrying.
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Post by Veritas on Aug 24, 2023 8:38:42 GMT
Id bring it back for crimes that have been 100% proven beyond all reasonable doubt, for murderers, rapists and pedophiles.....and cyclists that don't move over and let me overtake. All murder convictions are on the basis of being proved beyond reasonable doubt unfortunately we have seen numerous convictions that turned out to be wrong.
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Post by noustie on Aug 24, 2023 9:02:56 GMT
Apart from the cases where they've been proven innocent after the event my main concern would be what does it actually achieve?
If someone is fucked up enough to kill babies the death penalty isn't going give them pause for thought and if anything it would be an easy way out of their own suffering.
On the other hand having a baby killer living in the equivalent of a youth club for the rest of her days where she'll possibly be the wing's top banana within a decade isn't a suitable punishment either. Cell on her own trapped with herself for 23 hours a day is a true punishment.
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 24, 2023 9:33:43 GMT
Id bring it back for crimes that have been 100% proven beyond all reasonable doubt, for murderers, rapists and pedophiles.....and cyclists that don't move over and let me overtake. All murder convictions are on the basis of being proved beyond reasonable doubt unfortunately we have seen numerous convictions that turned out to be wrong. I'd support an eye for an eye law, a life for a life.
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 24, 2023 9:35:53 GMT
Apart from the cases where they've been proven innocent after the event my main concern would be what does it actually achieve? If someone is fucked up enough to kill babies the death penalty isn't going give them pause for thought and if anything it would be an easy way out of their own suffering. On the other hand having a baby killer living in the equivalent of a youth club for the rest of her days where she'll possibly be the wing's top banana within a decade isn't a suitable punishment either. Cell on her own trapped with herself for 23 hours a day is a true punishment. She needs to suffer though mate, I don't believe in rehabilitation for child killers. Lock her in a room with the families of the babies that she murdered and let them beat her to death. In reality though what's wrong with putting her in a prison where she has to do hard labour till she drops.
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Post by noustie on Aug 24, 2023 9:52:43 GMT
Apart from the cases where they've been proven innocent after the event my main concern would be what does it actually achieve? If someone is fucked up enough to kill babies the death penalty isn't going give them pause for thought and if anything it would be an easy way out of their own suffering. On the other hand having a baby killer living in the equivalent of a youth club for the rest of her days where she'll possibly be the wing's top banana within a decade isn't a suitable punishment either. Cell on her own trapped with herself for 23 hours a day is a true punishment. She needs to suffer though mate, I don't believe in rehabilitation for child killers. Lock her in a room with the families of the babies that she murdered and let them beat her to death. In reality though what's wrong with putting her in a prison where she has to do hard labour till she drops. Don't get me wrong I agree but hypothetically if the death penalty is ever re-introduced it'll paradoxically be as humane as possible. For me that's no use as it's an easy way out unless of course the families affected had a say then fair enough. On the other hand her sitting in what to me looks like a live-in Byker Grove is no use either - the only way I could see her suffering is if they locked her in isolation for as long as they could get away with for the rest of her life. I probably wouldn't be adverse to letting her out to shower with the serial rapist who discovered they were female during the course of their own trial either given the circumstances.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 24, 2023 9:54:29 GMT
Id bring it back for crimes that have been 100% proven beyond all reasonable doubt, for murderers, rapists and pedophiles.....and cyclists that don't move over and let me overtake. All murder convictions are on the basis of being proved beyond reasonable doubt unfortunately we have seen numerous convictions that turned out to be wrong. That's one of my big problems with the death penalty. I don't give a shit if someone like Letby dies, but the law has to work the same for everyone and "beyond reasonable doubt" has got it wrong before. Also I don't like giving the government extra powers without a really good reason, not convinced we can trust them with it. No death penalty: some monsters get to live. With death penalty: some innocent people get murdered by the state. I'd stick without it.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 24, 2023 10:01:24 GMT
The cost shouldn’t be a factor only the moral issue.
As several have said the administration of Justice is far from being infallible and murdering an innocent person is a mistake which can't be corrected.
An argument could be made that introducing the Death Penalty may have unintended consequences. If someone has committed a violent act which if apprehended would lead to the Death Penalty it is more likely the criminal would kill any witnesses.
It has always seemed incongruous to me that in the US in which the Death Penalty is lawful in more than half the States, Euthanasia legal in none and increasingly Abortion becoming illegal in multiple States. The conclusion to be drawn is that ending of life can only be carried out by The State.
I'd suggest if voted upon in this Country all three would be rejected. So maybe separated by more than a Common Language.
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Post by phileetin on Aug 24, 2023 10:35:06 GMT
i just hope she lives for a long time and the other inmates make her life hell .
and the dinner ladies shit in her food.
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 24, 2023 10:38:13 GMT
The cost shouldn’t be a factor only the moral issue. As several have said the administration of Justice is far from being infallible and murdering an innocent person is a mistake which can't be corrected. An argument could be made that introducing the Death Penalty may have unintended consequences. If someone has committed a violent act which if apprehended would lead to the Death Penalty it is more likely the criminal would kill any witnesses. It has always seemed incongruous to me that in the US in which the Death Penalty is lawful in more than half the States, Euthanasia legal in none and increasingly Abortion becoming illegal in multiple States. The conclusion to be drawn is that ending of life can only be carried out by The State. I'd suggest if voted upon in this Country all three would be rejected. So maybe separated by more than a Common Language. In theory I support the death penalty. The only thing that makes me think twice is like you say the miscarriage of justice. Imagine living with yourself if you sentenced someone to death then it was revealed that they were innocent.
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Post by noustie on Aug 24, 2023 10:54:54 GMT
Alternatively with how bat shit mental 2023 is, and the sheer nature of social media, maybe the death penalty could be re-introduced in a game show format like The Running Man with Letby being the pilot to ascertain viewers tastes? Pretty sure Ant n Dec would be up for presenting it on Saturday Night prime time and would be a shit load better than complete non-entities dancing on Strictly in fairness.
Letby, with the promise of a pardon and living the rest of her life in the Caribbean, could be launched into the game zone of a dystopian shithole full of desolate buildings and burnt out cars (Burslem?) where she tries to escape from various Stalkers who're tasked with killing her as gruesomely as possible for the gratification of the baying public. In the unlikely event she escapes the Stalkers:
Sub-Zero - Anthony Joshua (the boxing is over and ticks a box) Buzzsaw - Nick Knowles (Handy and bet he wouldn't be shy of handing out righteous retribution - thinking woman's crumpet) Captain Freedom - Millie Bright (we're going to need to cast a woman to get this off the ground, you wouldn't fuck with her would you and she'll need a retirement plan shortly) Dynamo - Joe Wickes (There will be doubters but feed him a diet of meat and Skittles and he'd turn into a right mad evil bastard) Fireball - Johnny Fury (fan favorite)
and reaches the promised land of Morrisons in Cobridge the producers could just stick her at the wrong end of a flamethrower and chuck her in a cupboard anyway where, once she's found in series 14, the nation could re-evaluate whether this form of entertainment was really justified in a society looking to become more civilized again.
Bet the banks or fossil fuel producers would sponsor it as it would look good on their respective ESG scorecards too.
Interestingly Running Man was set in 2025 so maybe not as wild a suggestion as it sounds.
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Post by AlliG on Aug 24, 2023 11:25:52 GMT
Apart from the cases where they've been proven innocent after the event my main concern would be what does it actually achieve? If someone is fucked up enough to kill babies the death penalty isn't going give them pause for thought and if anything it would be an easy way out of their own suffering. On the other hand having a baby killer living in the equivalent of a youth club for the rest of her days where she'll possibly be the wing's top banana within a decade isn't a suitable punishment either. Cell on her own trapped with herself for 23 hours a day is a true punishment. The Moors Murderers are the most recent example of mass murderers who did not find the death penalty a deterrent. The last hangings in the UK took place in August 1964 by which time they had committed at least 3 murders. I doubt any of these individuals give much thought to what will happen after they are caught. They don't believe they will be caught, so why would they worry about the penalty? I don't get the "prison is a holiday camp" view. Personally I can think of nothing worse than being locked up for 23 hours a day and not being able to go out into the wider world, wander along the local canal, go to the match, visit the family, go to the pub, meet up with friends or even being able to choose when I want to spend some time on my own, for months on end, let alone for 20,30, 40, 50 or more years. As said on the other thread, most people probably have a fairly fixed position on whether they are pro or anti. I sit firmly in the anti camp. I accept that I might be susceptible to changing my mind if I was directly affected and that, as much as I hope I would not, I might want revenge. However, I would expect the legal system to apply the law and appropriate penalties purely according to the current laws and sentencing guidelines without being swayed by my views or the desire of the extreme parts of the media for such vengeance. I must also admit that I don't understand the desire of "the mob" to turn up outside police stations or courts to yell abuse etc at the prison van when a suspect is taken in or out of court. I don't believe any society can be called civilized if they still use the death penalty.
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Post by noustie on Aug 24, 2023 11:46:50 GMT
Apart from the cases where they've been proven innocent after the event my main concern would be what does it actually achieve? If someone is fucked up enough to kill babies the death penalty isn't going give them pause for thought and if anything it would be an easy way out of their own suffering. On the other hand having a baby killer living in the equivalent of a youth club for the rest of her days where she'll possibly be the wing's top banana within a decade isn't a suitable punishment either. Cell on her own trapped with herself for 23 hours a day is a true punishment. The Moors Murderers are the most recent example of mass murderers who did not find the death penalty a deterrent. The last hangings in the UK took place in August 1964 by which time they had committed at least 3 murders. I doubt any of these individuals give much thought to what will happen after they are caught. They don't believe they will be caught, so why would they worry about the penalty? I don't get the "prison is a holiday camp" view. Personally I can think of nothing worse than being locked up for 23 hours a day and not being able to go out into the wider world, wander along the local canal, go to the match, visit the family, go to the pub, meet up with friends or even being able to choose when I want to spend some time on my own, for months on end, let alone for 20,30, 40, 50 or more years. As said on the other thread, most people probably have a fairly fixed position on whether they are pro or anti. I sit firmly in the anti camp. I accept that I might be susceptible to changing my mind if I was directly affected and that, as much as I hope I would not, I might want revenge. However, I would expect the legal system to apply the law and appropriate penalties purely according to the current laws and sentencing guidelines without being swayed by my views or the desire of the extreme parts of the media for such vengeance. I must also admit that I don't understand the desire of "the mob" to turn up outside police stations or courts to yell abuse etc at the prison van when a suspect is taken in or out of court. I don't believe any society can be called civilized if they still use the death penalty. I wouldn't fancy it myself to be honest but on the other hand it doesn't on the face of it look that bad either given the circumstances. The prison she apparently is going to have animal petting, produce theatre shows and have a shopping centre for good behaviour. Most cells now have tv's with various channels and the rooms have curtains, soft furnishings so don't look uncomfortable. She'd be in the hospital wing too for at least 6 months and it would be a while after that before she ends up with a cell mate. The culture in a women's prison is different too apparently although wouldn't expect she was in for a warm welcome. I'd never advocate for the death penalty but this shitebag possibly sat on her arse watching Netflix all day doesn't sit right either. I'd want her on her own with fuck all bar a bed, bucket and her own thoughts to be honest.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 24, 2023 12:55:04 GMT
the only killing of a human being I approve of is euthanasia but only with specific rules
capital punishment is just as bad as the crimes being punished
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 24, 2023 13:10:17 GMT
The cost shouldn’t be a factor only the moral issue. As several have said the administration of Justice is far from being infallible and murdering an innocent person is a mistake which can't be corrected. An argument could be made that introducing the Death Penalty may have unintended consequences. If someone has committed a violent act which if apprehended would lead to the Death Penalty it is more likely the criminal would kill any witnesses. It has always seemed incongruous to me that in the US in which the Death Penalty is lawful in more than half the States, Euthanasia legal in none and increasingly Abortion becoming illegal in multiple States. The conclusion to be drawn is that ending of life can only be carried out by The State. I'd suggest if voted upon in this Country all three would be rejected. So maybe separated by more than a Common Language. In theory I support the death penalty. The only thing that makes me think twice is like you say the miscarriage of justice. Imagine living with yourself if you sentenced someone to death then it was revealed that they were innocent. Yep, and that's the whole point of not doing it, you can rarely, if ever, be 100% sure that the convicted person is actually guilty. Even in cases where they confess freely and wish for the death penalty, there remains the doubt over their sanity. I've said it a few times already, but Andy Malkinson is a good example of why the death penalty should never be re-introduced in this country. I confess I thought there'd be more string em up types on here. Perhaps they're keeping quiet because there's not much arguing against not killing innocent people?
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 24, 2023 13:32:14 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Aug 24, 2023 13:33:53 GMT
In theory I support the death penalty. The only thing that makes me think twice is like you say the miscarriage of justice. Imagine living with yourself if you sentenced someone to death then it was revealed that they were innocent. Yep, and that's the whole point of not doing it, you can rarely, if ever, be 100% sure that the convicted person is actually guilty. Even in cases where they confess freely and wish for the death penalty, there remains the doubt over their sanity. I've said it a few times already, but Andy Malkinson is a good example of why the death penalty should never be re-introduced in this country. I confess I thought there'd be more string em up types on here. Perhaps they're keeping quiet because there's not much arguing against not killing innocent people? when it comes to the crunch bar at high profile times like this letby case the public are by in large against the death penalty in this country however we all at times look at some cases and that split second thought of wishing death on some of these criminals. The old saying death is too good for them rings true
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Post by slippyblunger on Aug 24, 2023 13:36:42 GMT
In theory I support the death penalty. The only thing that makes me think twice is like you say the miscarriage of justice. Imagine living with yourself if you sentenced someone to death then it was revealed that they were innocent. Yep, and that's the whole point of not doing it, you can rarely, if ever, be 100% sure that the convicted person is actually guilty. Even in cases where they confess freely and wish for the death penalty, there remains the doubt over their sanity. I've said it a few times already, but Andy Malkinson is a good example of why the death penalty should never be re-introduced in this country. I confess I thought there'd be more string em up types on here. Perhaps they're keeping quiet because there's not much arguing against not killing innocent people? Unless caught red handed.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 24, 2023 13:38:22 GMT
if that poll was taken in 6 months it would be lower. people thinking on raw emotion there and although the question is "murder of a child" they would immediatley have connected that to letby and 7 poor babies. Its skewed murder is murder, a copper is no better than a pensioner or child etc.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 24, 2023 13:54:37 GMT
9 March 1950: Timothy Evans was hanged at Pentonville for the murder of his wife and daughter at 10 Rillington Place, North West London. He initially claimed his wife died after drinking an abortion drug he gave her, but later withdrew the claim. Evan's downstairs neighbour, John Christie (whom Evans accused of committing the murder), later found to be a sexual serial killer, gave key evidence against Evans, but ultimately confessed to murdering Evans' wife himself shortly before he was executed in 1953. Evans received a posthumous pardon in 1966 after an investigation concluded that Christie also murdered Evans' daughter. In 2004 the Court of Appeal refused to consider overturning the conviction due to the costs and resources that would be involved, but acknowledged that Evans did not murder his wife or his daughter.
27 February 1947: Walter Rowland was hanged in Manchester for the murder of Olive Balchin despite maintaining his innocence. While he had been awaiting execution, another man, David Ware, confessed to the crime. A Home Office report dismissed the latter's confession as a fake, but in 1951 he attacked another woman and was found guilty but insane and committed to Broadmoor Hospital.[144]
3 September 1952: Mahmood Hussein Mattan, a Somali seaman, was hanged in Cardiff for murder. The Court of Appeal quashed his conviction posthumously in 1998[146] after hearing that crucial evidence implicating another Somali was withheld at his trial
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