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Post by PotterLog on Mar 8, 2024 12:54:23 GMT
You are having a laugh aren't you. Bojan has played at a much higher level. Bae has real potential though. And what does that have to do with the price of eggs ? Playing at a much higher level means that you are surrounded by great players who not only help to improve your game but also make you look good. What do you think is the easier chore, playing in a team with xavi, iniesta and puyol or with daniel Johnson, Jordan Thompson and Ben wilmot ?  Never mind that, there's a lad I watch for the Red Lion every Sunday who looks tidy playing with Fat Les and Dave the Milkie in midfield, he must be in line for the Ballon d'Or |
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Post by malteser68 on Mar 8, 2024 20:49:54 GMT
While I agree with your position, I think without a doubt that Bojan was a technically more skilled footballer. However, BJH has an added ingredient which makes him the better player ..... heart! Bojan did not have the steely determination to become what he could have been. What he could have become? Now admittedly he could have gone better without some of his mental health issues. But his record at Barca alone is something 95% of premier league players would give both bollox for. Where is this nonsense coming from. The lad has 2 champions leagues, 3 la ligas and 40 plus goals in 160 odd Barcelona appearances. Just pack it in please 😆 He was not a first XI player at Barca most of the time. Yes he did well during his time at Barca but failed dismally whoever he went after that. The Stoke interlude is of little relevance |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 8, 2024 20:56:27 GMT
What he could have become? Now admittedly he could have gone better without some of his mental health issues. But his record at Barca alone is something 95% of premier league players would give both bollox for. Where is this nonsense coming from. The lad has 2 champions leagues, 3 la ligas and 40 plus goals in 160 odd Barcelona appearances. Just pack it in please 😆 He was not a first XI player at Barca most of the time. Yes he did well during his time at Barca but failed dismally whoever he went after that. The Stoke interlude is of little relevance I'll do you a deal. When Bae has played 160 times for a top 4 side (I'm being generous) in Germany Italy Spain or England and scored 1 in 4 I'll agree he's as good as Bojan. I'll wait...... |
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Post by citynickscfc on Mar 8, 2024 21:06:16 GMT
He was not a first XI player at Barca most of the time. Yes he did well during his time at Barca but failed dismally whoever he went after that. The Stoke interlude is of little relevance I'll do you a deal. When Bae has played 160 times for a top 4 side (I'm being generous) in Germany Italy Spain or England and scored 1 in 4 I'll agree he's as good as Bojan. I'll wait...... Exactly, I'll wait too. To the guy comparing to Bojan... He did great in the MLS, didn't really play in Germany after leaving from Stoke, didn't get a chance in the championship with a toxic side, but everywhere else he's done brilliant for a no.10 or AM, even for a striker 1 in 4 or 1 in 5 is really good at top levels and the champions league. |
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Mar 8, 2024 21:07:57 GMT
He was not a first XI player at Barca most of the time. Yes he did well during his time at Barca but failed dismally whoever he went after that. The Stoke interlude is of little relevance I'll do you a deal. When Bae has played 160 times for a top 4 side (I'm being generous) in Germany Italy Spain or England and scored 1 in 4 I'll agree he's as good as Bojan. I'll wait...... This is what forums are made for. Without wild outlandish claims are you even foruming.🙂 Love it when someone doubles down on the claims too 😂👏👏 |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 8, 2024 21:09:14 GMT
I'll do you a deal. When Bae has played 160 times for a top 4 side (I'm being generous) in Germany Italy Spain or England and scored 1 in 4 I'll agree he's as good as Bojan. I'll wait...... This is what forums are made for. Without wild outlandish claims are you even foruming.🙂 Love it when someone doubles down on the claims too 😂👏👏 Its usually booze related 😆 in my case anyway 😆 |
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Post by citynickscfc on Mar 8, 2024 21:10:00 GMT
What he could have become? Now admittedly he could have gone better without some of his mental health issues. But his record at Barca alone is something 95% of premier league players would give both bollox for. Where is this nonsense coming from. The lad has 2 champions leagues, 3 la ligas and 40 plus goals in 160 odd Barcelona appearances. Just pack it in please 😆 He was not a first XI player at Barca most of the time. Yes he did well during his time at Barca but failed dismally whoever he went after that. The Stoke interlude is of little relevance “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.” |
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 9, 2024 1:06:46 GMT
I'll do you a deal. When Bae has played 160 times for a top 4 side (I'm being generous) in Germany Italy Spain or England and scored 1 in 4 I'll agree he's as good as Bojan. I'll wait...... Exactly, I'll wait too. To the guy comparing to Bojan... He did great in the MLS, didn't really play in Germany after leaving from Stoke, didn't get a chance in the championship with a toxic side, but everywhere else he's done brilliant for a no.10 or AM, even for a striker 1 in 4 or 1 in 5 is really good at top levels and the champions league. Agree that at the moment you have to say Bojan is better but I find your argument that you can't judge him on his time in a toxic Stoke side. Are you saying that the Stoke side Bae is playing for is harmonious? I think that's what has impressed me about Bae. He has come to a strange country on the other side of the world where he doesn't speak the language, had a change of manager and coaches, played for a less than successful team where there has been at least one player causing trouble, yet he has just carried on and got better over the season. He obviously hasn't found moving here easy, mentioning loneliness in that video, yet he has been fully commited |
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Post by thornestein on Mar 9, 2024 7:59:52 GMT
weather we stay up or go down it is vital we hold on to Bae, Burger,Baker,,i say Baker as well as those to lads because i think he could hit double figures if played week in and out, can he be arsed play well in week out though , he as 1 decent game in 5 |
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Post by malteser68 on Mar 9, 2024 8:14:00 GMT
He was not a first XI player at Barca most of the time. Yes he did well during his time at Barca but failed dismally whoever he went after that. The Stoke interlude is of little relevance “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.” Yes and your post is a clear attestation that in your case, whereas the infinity of the universe may be dubious, your stupidity isn’t |
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Post by citynickscfc on Mar 9, 2024 8:24:39 GMT
“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.” Yes and your post is a clear attestation that in your case, whereas the infinity of the universe may be dubious, your stupidity isn’t Well howdy partner |
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Post by malteser68 on Mar 9, 2024 8:25:30 GMT
I'll do you a deal. When Bae has played 160 times for a top 4 side (I'm being generous) in Germany Italy Spain or England and scored 1 in 4 I'll agree he's as good as Bojan. I'll wait...... Exactly, I'll wait too. To the guy comparing to Bojan... He did great in the MLS, didn't really play in Germany after leaving from Stoke, didn't get a chance in the championship with a toxic side, but everywhere else he's done brilliant for a no.10 or AM, even for a striker 1 in 4 or 1 in 5 is really good at top levels and the champions league. This is a romantic narrative of Bojan’s career. The truth is that he did not do well anywhere he went (apart from Stoke City where the fans, used to watching hoofball week in week out were tripping all over themselves when they got to see some class which Bojan undoubtedly offers). He did not do well at Ajax, Mainz, Roma and Milan. And at a time when every member of the Barca team got to play for Spain, he only has one cap to his name. Let’s not compare players according to what they won. If that was to be the measure then for example Sammy Lee of Liverpool would have to be classified as a much better player than the likes of Glenn Hoddle or Peter Beardsley, which of course he wasn’t |
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Post by gingerninja on Mar 9, 2024 8:31:40 GMT
I hope we stay up, at least to see Jun ho blossom and also Burger, if we don't I am afraid they will likely be off.
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Post by citynickscfc on Mar 9, 2024 8:34:13 GMT
Exactly, I'll wait too. To the guy comparing to Bojan... He did great in the MLS, didn't really play in Germany after leaving from Stoke, didn't get a chance in the championship with a toxic side, but everywhere else he's done brilliant for a no.10 or AM, even for a striker 1 in 4 or 1 in 5 is really good at top levels and the cha mpions league. This is a romantic narrative of Bojan’s career. The truth is that he did not do well anywhere he went (apart from Stoke City where the fans, used to watching hoofball week in week out were tripping all over themselves when they got to see some class which Bojan undoubtedly offers). He did not do well at Ajax, Mainz, Roma and Milan. And at a time when every member of the Barca team got to play for Spain, he only has one cap to his name. Let’s not compare players according to what they won. If that was to be the measure then for example Sammy Lee of Liverpool would have to be classified as a much better player than the likes of Glenn Hoddle or Peter Beardsley, which of course he wasn’t Wait what? Why isn't 5 goals 6 assists in 32 (24/4/4) considered good? It's 1 in 5 still. We don't have a single player on those stats in the current animation of a league. It's not world breaking but considering he was probably not an out striker and more a flair/unlocking midfielder? The players I compared BJH to have similar or worse stats in an inferior league. He was an incredible player despite his difficulties. We need to stop comparing up and coming talented with proven talents. They might reach their potential one day but probably won't... And by the way I'm hoping he can become the best player in the world but he probably won't, and if he reaches even half the level of Bojan for us he will tear this league apart. 7 in 35 at Roma and 7 in 31 in MLS. BJH has 2/3/24 at present. It's not too bad but isn't great either and defenders have better totals. |
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Post by malteser68 on Mar 9, 2024 8:35:10 GMT
He was not a first XI player at Barca most of the time. Yes he did well during his time at Barca but failed dismally whoever he went after that. The Stoke interlude is of little relevance I'll do you a deal. When Bae has played 160 times for a top 4 side (I'm being generous) in Germany Italy Spain or England and scored 1 in 4 I'll agree he's as good as Bojan. I'll wait...... It is also pertinent to note that Bojan was an unused substitute in both champions leagues finals of 2008/09 and 2010/11 so it’s not as if he set the pitch on fire in those two finals. Call a spade a spade |
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Post by malteser68 on Mar 9, 2024 8:37:06 GMT
This is a romantic narrative of Bojan’s career. The truth is that he did not do well anywhere he went (apart from Stoke City where the fans, used to watching hoofball week in week out were tripping all over themselves when they got to see some class which Bojan undoubtedly offers). He did not do well at Ajax, Mainz, Roma and Milan. And at a time when every member of the Barca team got to play for Spain, he only has one cap to his name. Let’s not compare players according to what they won. If that was to be the measure then for example Sammy Lee of Liverpool would have to be classified as a much better player than the likes of Glenn Hoddle or Peter Beardsley, which of course he wasn’t Wait what? Why isn't 5 goals 6 assists in 32 (24/4/4) considered good? It's 1 in 5 still. We don't have a single player on those stats in the current animation of a league. It's not world breaking but considering he was probably not an out striker and more a flair/unlocking midfielder? The players I compared BJH to have similar or worse stats in an inferior league. He was an incredible player despite his difficulties. We need to stop comparing up and coming talented with proven talents. They might reach their potential one day but probably won't... And by the way I'm hoping he can become the best player in the world but he probably won't, and if he reaches even half the level of Bojan for us he will tear this league apart. He won’t reach half the level of Bojan for us because I’m sure that there are a number of managers with a good eye for talent who will be asking for his signature in the summer window |
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Post by citynickscfc on Mar 9, 2024 8:40:46 GMT
Wait what? Why isn't 5 goals 6 assists in 32 (24/4/4) considered good? It's 1 in 5 still. We don't have a single player on those stats in the current animation of a league. It's not world breaking but considering he was probably not an out striker and more a flair/unlocking midfielder? The players I compared BJH to have similar or worse stats in an inferior league. He was an incredible player despite his difficulties. We need to stop comparing up and coming talented with proven talents. They might reach their potential one day but probably won't... And by the way I'm hoping he can become the best player in the world but he probably won't, and if he reaches even half the level of Bojan for us he will tear this league apart. He won’t reach half the level of Bojan for us because I’m sure that there are a number of managers with a good eye for talent who will be asking for his signature in the summer window I both hope you are right and wrong, but if we are relegated that will be a certainty but he won't be going to the premier League and starting either. Probably to one of those countries you mentioned that supposedly Bojan failed in... Even with a decent record, and then will go out on loan to develop. Again I hope I'm wrong, we need him on fire to stay up really. |
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Post by malteser68 on Mar 9, 2024 9:37:29 GMT
He won’t reach half the level of Bojan for us because I’m sure that there are a number of managers with a good eye for talent who will be asking for his signature in the summer window I both hope you are right and wrong, but if we are relegated that will be a certainty but he won't be going to the premier League and starting either. Probably to one of those countries you mentioned that supposedly Bojan failed in... Even with a decent record, and then will go out on loan to develop. Again I hope I'm wrong, we need him on fire to stay up really. What i really wish is for us not to be relegated, to get a proper continental manager as soon as the season is over and to allow said manager full control of the transfer market to weed the wheat from the chaff and get in new players according to a clear and defined football project and style of play. If we do that there is every chance for Bae to stay put even if other bigger clubs come for his signature (which is a certainty) but if we dont Bae, being a very wise young man, will leave |
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 9, 2024 10:38:48 GMT
Exactly, I'll wait too. To the guy comparing to Bojan... He did great in the MLS, didn't really play in Germany after leaving from Stoke, didn't get a chance in the championship with a toxic side, but everywhere else he's done brilliant for a no.10 or AM, even for a striker 1 in 4 or 1 in 5 is really good at top levels and the champions league. This is a romantic narrative of Bojan’s career. The truth is that he did not do well anywhere he went (apart from Stoke City where the fans, used to watching hoofball week in week out were tripping all over themselves when they got to see some class which Bojan undoubtedly offers). He did not do well at Ajax, Mainz, Roma and Milan. And at a time when every member of the Barca team got to play for Spain, he only has one cap to his name. Let’s not compare players according to what they won. If that was to be the measure then for example Sammy Lee of Liverpool would have to be classified as a much better player than the likes of Glenn Hoddle or Peter Beardsley, which of course he wasn’t Wing lauded as the new Messi is a heavy burden to carry mate🔴⚪️ |
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Post by malteser68 on Mar 9, 2024 11:26:09 GMT
This is a romantic narrative of Bojan’s career. The truth is that he did not do well anywhere he went (apart from Stoke City where the fans, used to watching hoofball week in week out were tripping all over themselves when they got to see some class which Bojan undoubtedly offers). He did not do well at Ajax, Mainz, Roma and Milan. And at a time when every member of the Barca team got to play for Spain, he only has one cap to his name. Let’s not compare players according to what they won. If that was to be the measure then for example Sammy Lee of Liverpool would have to be classified as a much better player than the likes of Glenn Hoddle or Peter Beardsley, which of course he wasn’t Wing lauded as the new Messi is a heavy burden to carry mate🔴⚪️ Indeed it is. But some posters here give the impression that he did live up to that high expectation, which we know he didn’t |
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Post by i1da on Mar 9, 2024 12:06:31 GMT
While I agree with your position, I think without a doubt that Bojan was a technically more skilled footballer. However, BJH has an added ingredient which makes him the better player ..... heart! Bojan did not have the steely determination to become what he could have been. What he could have become? Now admittedly he could have gone better without some of his mental health issues. But his record at Barca alone is something 95% of premier league players would give both bollox for. Where is this nonsense coming from. The lad has 2 champions leagues, 3 la ligas and 40 plus goals in 160 odd Barcelona appearances. Just pack it in please 😆 Harry Kane has a brilliant career scoring 213 goals in 317 games for spurs, 27 goals in 24 games for Bayern and 62 goals in 89 games for England. But he has 1 Runner Up Medal in the Euros to show for it. Bojan played his first game for Barcelona at 17 years old and his last at 20 years old. Capped once for Spain. He was tipped to become greater than Messi (scored 672 goals for Barca and the list of honors is too long to list here) and ended up achieving next to nothing for the rest of his career. At age 29, he could not get into Stoke City team regularly. What could he have become??? Better than Messi, if he had the mettle. What did he become??? A mere fraction of what his skill deserved. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2024 12:19:46 GMT
What he could have become? Now admittedly he could have gone better without some of his mental health issues. But his record at Barca alone is something 95% of premier league players would give both bollox for. Where is this nonsense coming from. The lad has 2 champions leagues, 3 la ligas and 40 plus goals in 160 odd Barcelona appearances. Just pack it in please 😆 Harry Kane has a brilliant career scoring 213 goals in 317 games for spurs, 27 goals in 24 games for Bayern and 62 goals in 89 games for England. But he has 1 Runner Up Medal in the Euros to show for it. Bojan played his first game for Barcelona at 17 years old and his last at 20 years old. Capped once for Spain. He was tipped to become greater than Messi (scored 672 goals for Barca and the list of honors is too long to list here) and ended up achieving next to nothing for the rest of his career. At age 29, he could not get into Stoke City team regularly. What could he have become??? Better than Messi, if he had the mettle. What did he become??? A mere fraction of what his skill deserved. Despite this, he still had a better career than the VAST majority of players could ever dream of, including Bae. Bae’s best attribute this season has been his work ethic. Before scoring twice, he’s done pretty much bugger all going forwards and has been a consistent selection in one of the worst attacking units in the league. He has potential and I like him a lot but it’s stupid to compare him to a player that was light years ahead of him at that age. |
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Post by malteser68 on Mar 9, 2024 12:23:51 GMT
Harry Kane has a brilliant career scoring 213 goals in 317 games for spurs, 27 goals in 24 games for Bayern and 62 goals in 89 games for England. But he has 1 Runner Up Medal in the Euros to show for it. Bojan played his first game for Barcelona at 17 years old and his last at 20 years old. Capped once for Spain. He was tipped to become greater than Messi (scored 672 goals for Barca and the list of honors is too long to list here) and ended up achieving next to nothing for the rest of his career. At age 29, he could not get into Stoke City team regularly. What could he have become??? Better than Messi, if he had the mettle. What did he become??? A mere fraction of what his skill deserved. Despite this, he still had a better career than the VAST majority of players could ever dream of, including Bae. Bae’s best attribute this season has been his work ethic. Before scoring twice, he’s done pretty much bugger all going forwards and has been a consistent selection in one of the worst attacking units in the league. He has potential and I like him a lot but it’s stupid to compare him to a player that was light years ahead of him at that age. I was there for the away match vs Watford and he was easily the best player on the pitch. A cut above the rest. It’s not easy to shine playing with thick-as-a-plank companions who do not understand you and are not on your same wavelength |
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 9, 2024 12:37:30 GMT
Wing lauded as the new Messi is a heavy burden to carry mate🔴⚪️ Indeed it is. But some posters here give the impression that he did live up to that high expectation, which we know he didn’t He was brilliant in the premier league for us when we were at our highest…Bae junho has the potential to be a star whether in the prem or another top league…I get the comparisons by how he plays…perhaps my judgement is somewhat clouded by us being starved of a player like him since🔴⚪️ |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2024 12:37:51 GMT
Despite this, he still had a better career than the VAST majority of players could ever dream of, including Bae. Bae’s best attribute this season has been his work ethic. Before scoring twice, he’s done pretty much bugger all going forwards and has been a consistent selection in one of the worst attacking units in the league. He has potential and I like him a lot but it’s stupid to compare him to a player that was light years ahead of him at that age. I was there for the away match vs Watford and he was easily the best player on the pitch. A cut above the rest. It’s not easy to shine playing with thick-as-a-plank companions who do not understand you and are not on your same wavelength And I wouldn’t be so harsh if people weren’t comparing him to Bojan, a player who doesn’t even occupy the same position. He’s generally been ineffective against other teams who are also quite crap. It’s not like he’s tearing his fullback a new arsehole every game and putting in crosses that are off because his teammates are too slow. He’s also not ran off the defender time after time, found himself standing alone in the box waiting to score only to be let down. He’s simply just been crap going forwards most of the time and has delivered as little end product as the rest of them. He’s absolutely one of the most exciting attacking prospects we’ve had in a while and even when he wasn’t getting goal contributions, I couldn’t help but like him a lot. However, the way that some have spoken on this thread, you’d assume they’d believe that you could just slot him into any PL side and he’d dominate the division. It’s hyperbolic nonsense. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Mar 9, 2024 13:20:24 GMT
Hes a good tidy player and really like watching him play.
However I think we are over egging him a bit probably due to the shit players we have seen the past years down Stoke.
Hes not even the best player regularly in a relegation threatened championship team. I doubt if there are any bids for him in the summer.
He has potential but he needs to be winning games for Stoke on a regular basis next season.
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Post by thisisouryear on Mar 9, 2024 13:37:43 GMT
I was there for the away match vs Watford and he was easily the best player on the pitch. A cut above the rest. It’s not easy to shine playing with thick-as-a-plank companions who do not understand you and are not on your same wavelength And I wouldn’t be so harsh if people weren’t comparing him to Bojan, a player who doesn’t even occupy the same position. He’s generally been ineffective against other teams who are also quite crap. It’s not like he’s tearing his fullback a new arsehole every game and putting in crosses that are off because his teammates are too slow. He’s also not ran off the defender time after time, found himself standing alone in the box waiting to score only to be let down. He’s simply just been crap going forwards most of the time and has delivered as little end product as the rest of them. He’s absolutely one of the most exciting attacking prospects we’ve had in a while and even when he wasn’t getting goal contributions, I couldn’t help but like him a lot. However, the way that some have spoken on this thread, you’d assume they’d believe that you could just slot him into any PL side and he’d dominate the division. It’s hyperbolic nonsense. Million also looks like a player who has something about him. As he adapts he could be some player too. It's just nice having some players we can get behind and get excited about |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2024 13:45:44 GMT
Doesn't shoot enough. He's always turning back, passing back.
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Post by i1da on Mar 9, 2024 15:30:30 GMT
Harry Kane has a brilliant career scoring 213 goals in 317 games for spurs, 27 goals in 24 games for Bayern and 62 goals in 89 games for England. But he has 1 Runner Up Medal in the Euros to show for it. Bojan played his first game for Barcelona at 17 years old and his last at 20 years old. Capped once for Spain. He was tipped to become greater than Messi (scored 672 goals for Barca and the list of honors is too long to list here) and ended up achieving next to nothing for the rest of his career. At age 29, he could not get into Stoke City team regularly. What could he have become??? Better than Messi, if he had the mettle. What did he become??? A mere fraction of what his skill deserved. Despite this, he still had a better career than the VAST majority of players could ever dream of, including Bae. Bae’s best attribute this season has been his work ethic. Before scoring twice, he’s done pretty much bugger all going forwards and has been a consistent selection in one of the worst attacking units in the league. He has potential and I like him a lot but it’s stupid to compare him to a player that was light years ahead of him at that age. My point was that despite Bojan being super gifted and capable of being in the realms of Pele, Marradonna, Cruyff, C Ronaldo, Messi, et al, he did not succeed in fulfilling his potential. I make no comparison to Bae, because time will tell. |
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Post by citynickscfc on Mar 9, 2024 15:36:57 GMT
Despite this, he still had a better career than the VAST majority of players could ever dream of, including Bae. Bae’s best attribute this season has been his work ethic. Before scoring twice, he’s done pretty much bugger all going forwards and has been a consistent selection in one of the worst attacking units in the league. He has potential and I like him a lot but it’s stupid to compare him to a player that was light years ahead of him at that age. My point was that despite Bojan being super gifted and capable of being in the realms of Pele, Marradonna, Cruyff, C Ronaldo, Messi, et al, he did not succeed in fulfilling his potential. I make no comparison to Bae, because time will tell. And you think Bae will reach those heights??????? Is it really a failure not to reach them???? Fucking hell 😂 |
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