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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 23, 2023 23:31:11 GMT
I dont know what the fuss is, nearly all championship clubs usually bring in over a dozen players every Summer. It's normal. The last Sky summary a few days ago , we were the only team who had reached double figures in signings. One club had 9 but 4 or 5 was the norm. Obviously things are changing all the time but quantity isn't quality of course. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2023 23:43:09 GMT
The wind of change throughout the club has been obvious for twelve months for those willing to see. I have at no point this pre season been worried and I take offence to being called a liar. It certainly has but I detected a lot of residual cynicism from a lot of people around our transfers, certainly from those honest enough to say though. I can't have the level of criticism aimed at the club since 2017/18 suddenly disappearing into thin air and being replaced with "see, I told you everything would be alright guv" now we seem to be adopting a stripped down version of Brighton's model that has come out of nowhere. Now that IS disingenuous. Like I keep saying though, it's just really good that we're finally on a path down that road. It should put down some roots and hopefully box off that part of the debate for a long time, where now we can hopefully debate the merits of the players brought in on a positive slant rather than looking through our fingers at how old they are and how expensive they are, and whether they can still do a job at this level or not. For the first time in a long time I'm very excited. That's all fair enough and I get where you are coming from but I honestly wasn't worried by our early lack of signings. The market was very slow early doors. I have felt since the sacking of O'Neill that things were changing. New structures were being put in place and things were changing off the field too. I get that most people are sceptical and rightly so but I could feel a shift and I like to believe what people say until they prove otherwise. We were told it was going to be an exciting summer and they have been true to their word. They said the out of contracts would come first followed by loans and young prospects and the more expensive signings at the end of the window. The only real surprise has been the number of overseas signings but the 4 wild card rule has really opened up new markets and I believe Jared Dublin was recruited because they knew this was likely to happen. John Coates should get a lot of credit for this (but he won't). I hope supporters now give the manager and the new players the time and patience this new approach deserves. Players like Mmaee need to be given time, not written off after three games. It's going to be a bumpy ride but let's strap in and enjoy it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2023 23:50:55 GMT
It certainly has but I detected a lot of residual cynicism from a lot of people around our transfers, certainly from those honest enough to say though. I can't have the level of criticism aimed at the club since 2017/18 suddenly disappearing into thin air and being replaced with "see, I told you everything would be alright guv" now we seem to be adopting a stripped down version of Brighton's model that has come out of nowhere. Now that IS disingenuous. Like I keep saying though, it's just really good that we're finally on a path down that road. It should put down some roots and hopefully box off that part of the debate for a long time, where now we can hopefully debate the merits of the players brought in on a positive slant rather than looking through our fingers at how old they are and how expensive they are, and whether they can still do a job at this level or not. For the first time in a long time I'm very excited. That's all fair enough and I get where you are coming from but I honestly wasn't worried by our early lack of signings. The market was very slow early doors. I have felt since the sacking of O'Neill that things were changing. New structures were being put in place and things were changing off the field too. I get that most people are sceptical and rightly so but I could feel a shift and I like to believe what people say until they prove otherwise. We were told it was going to be an exciting summer and they have been true to their word. They said the out of contracts would come first followed by loans and young prospects and the more expensive signings at the end of the window. The only real surprise has been the number of overseas signings but the 4 wild card rule has really opened up new markets and I believe Jared Dublin was recruited because they knew this was likely to happen. John Coates should get a lot of credit for this (but he won't). I hope supporters now give the manager and the new players the time and patience this new approach deserves. Players like Mmaee need to be given time, not written off after three games. It's going to be a bumpy ride but let's strap in and enjoy it. I think that's a very fair post. 👍 |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 24, 2023 5:46:53 GMT
It certainly has but I detected a lot of residual cynicism from a lot of people around our transfers, certainly from those honest enough to say though. I can't have the level of criticism aimed at the club since 2017/18 suddenly disappearing into thin air and being replaced with "see, I told you everything would be alright guv" now we seem to be adopting a stripped down version of Brighton's model that has come out of nowhere. Now that IS disingenuous. Like I keep saying though, it's just really good that we're finally on a path down that road. It should put down some roots and hopefully box off that part of the debate for a long time, where now we can hopefully debate the merits of the players brought in on a positive slant rather than looking through our fingers at how old they are and how expensive they are, and whether they can still do a job at this level or not. For the first time in a long time I'm very excited. That's all fair enough and I get where you are coming from but I honestly wasn't worried by our early lack of signings. The market was very slow early doors. I have felt since the sacking of O'Neill that things were changing. New structures were being put in place and things were changing off the field too. I get that most people are sceptical and rightly so but I could feel a shift and I like to believe what people say until they prove otherwise. We were told it was going to be an exciting summer and they have been true to their word. They said the out of contracts would come first followed by loans and young prospects and the more expensive signings at the end of the window. The only real surprise has been the number of overseas signings but the 4 wild card rule has really opened up new markets and I believe Jared Dublin was recruited because they knew this was likely to happen. John Coates should get a lot of credit for this (but he won't). I hope supporters now give the manager and the new players the time and patience this new approach deserves. Players like Mmaee need to be given time, not written off after three games. It's going to be a bumpy ride but let's strap in and enjoy it. Yep. Suggesting that people thought everything was going to be completely hunky dory after so many years of failure is a total straw man - nobody was doing that - but there were plenty of reasons to believe things would improve if you were prepared to see them. |
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Post by glpotter on Aug 24, 2023 6:57:25 GMT
Ole ole ole ole
Bae Jun hoooo, Bae Jun hoooo
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Post by Veritas on Aug 24, 2023 8:28:20 GMT
Ole ole ole ole Bae Jun hoooo, Bae Jun hoooo Next |
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Aug 24, 2023 8:34:10 GMT
Surely just the simple:
Bae Jun Ho my lord, Bae Jun Ho, Oh lord Bae Jun-Ho
Anyway, doesn’t look nailed on yet this one just yet.
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Post by glpotter on Aug 24, 2023 8:47:11 GMT
Ole ole ole ole Bae Jun hoooo, Bae Jun hoooo Next Think you missed the joke sir |
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Post by march4 on Aug 24, 2023 8:48:16 GMT
It certainly has but I detected a lot of residual cynicism from a lot of people around our transfers, certainly from those honest enough to say though. I can't have the level of criticism aimed at the club since 2017/18 suddenly disappearing into thin air and being replaced with "see, I told you everything would be alright guv" now we seem to be adopting a stripped down version of Brighton's model that has come out of nowhere. Now that IS disingenuous. Like I keep saying though, it's just really good that we're finally on a path down that road. It should put down some roots and hopefully box off that part of the debate for a long time, where now we can hopefully debate the merits of the players brought in on a positive slant rather than looking through our fingers at how old they are and how expensive they are, and whether they can still do a job at this level or not. For the first time in a long time I'm very excited. That's all fair enough and I get where you are coming from but I honestly wasn't worried by our early lack of signings. The market was very slow early doors. I have felt since the sacking of O'Neill that things were changing. New structures were being put in place and things were changing off the field too. I get that most people are sceptical and rightly so but I could feel a shift and I like to believe what people say until they prove otherwise. We were told it was going to be an exciting summer and they have been true to their word. They said the out of contracts would come first followed by loans and young prospects and the more expensive signings at the end of the window. The only real surprise has been the number of overseas signings but the 4 wild card rule has really opened up new markets and I believe Jared Dublin was recruited because they knew this was likely to happen. John Coates should get a lot of credit for this (but he won't). I hope supporters now give the manager and the new players the time and patience this new approach deserves. Players like Mmaee need to be given time, not written off after three games. It's going to be a bumpy ride but let's strap in and enjoy it. A clear change in culture. A sign of good leadership. |
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Post by cja103 on Aug 24, 2023 9:30:30 GMT
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 24, 2023 9:54:35 GMT
They weren’t. They were justified concerns based on the evidence we had the time. Yep, if anyone says they weren't worried they are nothing but a liar. They've queued around the block for years to slate their transfer policy that ended in the club having to sell the stadium to itself to survive a FFP sanction last year. Once you're past that you're on a very simple sliding scale, between being openly very worried to being quiet until something decent happens. The most important thing here is not being right or wrong on the internet but the club finally putting things right and putting down some serious roots of recovery, and in this case, going so far down a road that none of us thought possible as little as 12 months ago. I wasn't worried - check my posts. We'd known about the squad clearout for a season at least. I did wonder how quickly Jared Dublin could have an impact given how late he came in, but talks had been ongoing for a while with him, and he's experienced in recruiting for the Championship. Even so, I'm still surprised at the range of signings we're making. |
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Post by cja103 on Aug 24, 2023 10:15:47 GMT
Double annoucement?
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Aug 24, 2023 10:26:39 GMT
Stinks of a Friday double, doesn't it?
Really excited by both of these.
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Post by Silkystoke on Aug 24, 2023 10:28:53 GMT
When will he be here for is medical ..?
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 24, 2023 10:29:46 GMT
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Post by J-Roar on Aug 24, 2023 10:29:47 GMT
Ole ole ole ole Bae Jun hoooo, Bae Jun hoooo Next Whoooosh |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 24, 2023 10:45:18 GMT
We knew we needed 12-14 players before the end of last season. It needed to be done, whether a slower process or fast. As has been pointed out to you several dozen times, these deals are not as simple as you think. For example, it was highly unlikely Burger or Mmaee would have been here until it was clear how their clubs performed in their European prelims. Hiding behind false praise whilst still heavily criticising the club doesn't wash. People were knickerwetting (you included) because we hadn't signed half of these players before 10th July, back yourselves into a corner for nothing. Also I dont know why you are praising them, you said we needed 9-10 STARTING players, but we haven't dont that and unlikely will. Wilmot, Hoever, Stevens, Johnson, Laurent are all likely to play the majority of the minutes until at least January. What these signings represent is a bright future, with an eye for a profit and establishing our club as a place to develop for ambitious players outside the UK. Nobody backed themselves into a corner and nobody was knicker wetting. I too was very critical and with the same wind would be exactly the same again if it was replayed. Outside of the hindsight henry "It'll be alright on the night" routine that many trotted out I didn't see much in the way of anyone spelling out how or why it would be alright? The harsh truth is anyone with half a brain cell was worried about a club needing 12+ players off the back of 6 years of absolutely shite recruitment. Some were prepared to put their thoughts down on screen, others chose to stay quiet and hope. Not one person predicted we'd appoint a bona fide recruitment specialist like this and go marauding around Europe and beyond like a spotty teenager playing Football Manager whilst smacked off his tits on Red Bull. Plenty were knicker wetting, even moaning that our first signing wasn't some young up and comer as if it would make any bit of difference to the overall window. |
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 24, 2023 12:12:09 GMT
I dont know what the fuss is, nearly all championship clubs usually bring in over a dozen players every Summer. It's normal. The last Sky summary a few days ago , we were the only team who had reached double figures in signings. One club had 9 but 4 or 5 was the norm. Obviously things are changing all the time but quantity isn't quality of course. My comment was really about the quantity only. I looked it up a couple of seasons ago and Championship teams were normally bringing in 10-15 players over the summer (including loans), some more than this and 10 was the lower range, I think it was Swansea who brought in 24 in 21/22. Maybe it's slowed down abit compared to previous seasons for some reason, and there is time yet. |
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 24, 2023 12:13:31 GMT
The last Sky summary a few days ago , we were the only team who had reached double figures in signings. One club had 9 but 4 or 5 was the norm. Obviously things are changing all the time but quantity isn't quality of course. My comment was really about the quantity only. I looked it up a couple of seasons ago and Championship teams were normally bringing in 10-15 players over the summer (including loans), some more than this and 10 was the lower range, I think it was Swansea who brought in 24 in 21/22. Maybe it's slowed down abit compared to previous seasons for some reason, and there is time yet. 24😁. Kept a photographer busy |
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Post by bgreen13 on Aug 24, 2023 16:14:52 GMT
Some gutted posters on here with the positivity surrounding Stoke at the minute
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Post by thepottypotter on Aug 24, 2023 16:17:38 GMT
Stinks of a Friday double, doesn't it? Really excited by both of these. Friday Happy Hour incoming |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Aug 24, 2023 16:21:34 GMT
Some gutted posters on here with the positivity surrounding Stoke at the minute Hmmm. But are you gutted about the usually gutted posters maybe not being so gutted? |
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Post by davethebass on Aug 24, 2023 16:39:10 GMT
Some gutted posters on here with the positivity surrounding Stoke at the minute Hmmm. But are you gutted about the usually gutted posters maybe not being so gutted? I maybe gutted about you being maybe gutted about him being gutted about the usually gutted posters maybe not being so gutted |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 24, 2023 16:44:05 GMT
Hmmm. But are you gutted about the usually gutted posters maybe not being so gutted? I maybe gutted about you being maybe gutted about him being gutted about the usually gutted posters maybe not being so gutted And so is my wife. |
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Post by davethebass on Aug 24, 2023 16:46:25 GMT
Lol made me laugh that
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Post by PONTAFCE on Aug 24, 2023 16:48:12 GMT
Just left work and he’s outside the ground with a photographer and a bloke with the three shirts on hangers so looks like photos and an announcement 👀 watch this space lads.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 24, 2023 16:55:40 GMT
Just left work and he’s outside the ground with a photographer and a bloke with the three shirts on hangers so looks like photos and an announcement 👀 watch this space lads. Who? |
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Aug 24, 2023 17:00:01 GMT
Nobody thinks to get pictures anymore now do they 🤣
Will be amazed if he is announced this week. Be shocked even if Burger is
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 24, 2023 17:01:45 GMT
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Post by LDE76 on Aug 24, 2023 17:04:06 GMT
Just left work and he’s outside the ground with a photographer and a bloke with the three shirts on hangers so looks like photos and an announcement 👀 watch this space lads. If this is a wind-up, I hope the next time you eat a sandwich in a public place you take too large a bite, bread gets stuck to the roof of your mouth, you can't dislodge it with your tongue, you're too self-conscious to use your finger and you spend several mildly uncomfortable minutes trying to find a toilet where you can resolve the issue. |
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