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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2023 19:27:17 GMT
Must admit I wasn’t as keen on his re-arrival as others (as was heavily debated on here), but after his start to the season and performance today I’ve tried to reframe my thoughts on him basically.
The best way I can describe it…I’m trying to think of him as some form of Trent Alexander Arnold for us. Not an excellent defender, but you can effectively (or potentially) let that slide because of his attacking output - he’s hit 5 goals and 2 assists since January, one of each coming already this season. Players at this level always have flaws, or they wouldn’t be at this level, so I guess we take the rough with the smooth.
I still worry if he’s the main plan at right back in a back 4, and RWB seemingly suits him better in the same way that it does Tymon, but he’ll effectively be a risk/reward kinda player for us.
…did that make sense? What do you guys think so far?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 19, 2023 19:28:48 GMT
Must admit I wasn’t as keen on his re-arrival as others (as was heavily debated on here), but after his start to the season and performance today I’ve tried to reframe my thoughts on him basically. The best way I can describe it…I’m trying to think of him as some form of Trent Alexander Arnold for us. Not an excellent defender, but you can effectively (or potentially) let that slide because of his attacking output - he’s hit 5 goals and 2 assists since January, one of each coming already this season. Players at this level always have flaws, or they wouldn’t be at this level, so I guess we take the rough with the smooth. I still worry if he’s the main plan at right back in a back 4, and RWB seemingly suits him better in the same way that it does Tymon, but he’ll effectively be a risk/reward kinda player for us. …did that make sense? What do you guys think so far? I like him and I think youve nailed it.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Aug 19, 2023 19:29:27 GMT
His positioning is atrocious BUT I prefer a player like him than some of the bog standard full-backs we have had over the years.
There are more positives than negatives with him.
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Post by lordb on Aug 19, 2023 19:30:35 GMT
Yes it does He looked fine defensively v Rotherham but not last week and caught out a few times too today Some excellent passes and second half he really got forward
Be interesting to see him in centre midfield at some point
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Aug 19, 2023 19:31:52 GMT
His positioning is atrocious BUT I prefer a player like him than some of the bog standard full-backs we have had over the years. There are more positives than negatives with him. He's exactly the sort of full back I thought mad Nath was going to bring to the club. Has quality on the ball,and seems a superb athlete.
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 19, 2023 19:32:52 GMT
He was average at best today.
Never switched off though and stuck to his job.
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Post by walrus on Aug 19, 2023 19:33:22 GMT
A bit counterintuitively given he’s an attacking player, I think he’s better in a back four than a back five for two reasons:
1) His starting position in a back five invites balls in behind him which he isn’t great at dealing with.
2) He’s great at playing little one-twos and overlaps and there’s more chance for him to do that with a wide forward directly in front of him.
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Post by TinkerT on Aug 19, 2023 19:34:23 GMT
He's technically probably the best right back we've had in the last 10 years. If he could defend as well as he attacks he certainly would be at a bigger club than wolves, and starting.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 19, 2023 19:44:05 GMT
Not his best day today but an excellent loan and he’ll have more good games than bad
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2023 19:44:40 GMT
A bit counterintuitively given he’s an attacking player, I think he’s better in a back four than a back five for two reasons: 1) His starting position in a back five invites balls in behind him which he isn’t great at dealing with. 2) He’s great at playing little one-twos and overlaps and there’s more chance for him to do that with a wide forward directly in front of him. That’s a really interesting point actually.
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Post by stokest5 on Aug 19, 2023 19:47:47 GMT
Good ball for the assist but time and time again 2nd half their left winger was left in arces of space.
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 19, 2023 20:04:07 GMT
I thought he was struggling with his hip/lower back second half probably from the early foul challenge on him. I was worrying who we could bring on if he had to go off. We definitely need cover. Credit to him for the way he stuck at it today. At the final whistle he just collapsed to the ground bringing to mind Liam Lawrence doing the same in a home match towards the end of our promotion season
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 19, 2023 20:04:53 GMT
Tell you what, their left winger was quick. Thought Hoever was rapid but he lost out on a couple of sprints today. Anyway, still think he’s good……I mean, remember Cuco Martina.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 19, 2023 20:08:13 GMT
Clive Clarke said he was premier league quality offensively but couldn't defend hence why he'll never be a premier league fullback.
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 19, 2023 20:08:54 GMT
Tell you what, their left winger was quick. Thought Hoever was rapid but he lost out on a couple of sprints today. Anyway, still think he’s good……I mean, remember Cuco Martina. Yes I was surprised they took him off as he seemed to be getting a lot of joy down that side.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 19, 2023 20:10:00 GMT
A bit counterintuitively given he’s an attacking player, I think he’s better in a back four than a back five for two reasons: 1) His starting position in a back five invites balls in behind him which he isn’t great at dealing with. 2) He’s great at playing little one-twos and overlaps and there’s more chance for him to do that with a wide forward directly in front of him. Agreed
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 19, 2023 20:10:49 GMT
We certainly need a more Sterling-like defender for some games, where defensive qualities are more important than the attacking qualities like the last 20 minutes today.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 19, 2023 20:11:11 GMT
Tell you what, their left winger was quick. Thought Hoever was rapid but he lost out on a couple of sprints today. Anyway, still think he’s good……I mean, remember Cuco Martina. He was rapid. Hoever is pretty quick but there’ll always be someone quicker. There won’t be many mind
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Post by lordb on Aug 19, 2023 20:12:07 GMT
I thought he was struggling with his hip/lower back second half probably from the early foul challenge on him. I was worrying who we could bring on if he had to go off. We definitely need cover. Credit to him for the way he stuck at it today. At the final whistle he just collapsed to the ground bringing to mind Liam Lawrence doing the same in a home match towards the end of our promotion season If playing a 4 could move Wilmot over to RB or use Macari but yes need another RB Junior signing please
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Post by baconburger on Aug 19, 2023 20:18:08 GMT
Yes it does He looked fine defensively v Rotherham but not last week and caught out a few times too today Some excellent passes and second half he really got forward Be interesting to see him in centre midfield at some point Confuses me as does the experiment of playing TAA as a 10. Given these players produce excellent output from a FB position and given an average output from a 10 or AM I think it’s very hard to achieve a net gain by switching them to a more advanced role and presumably replacing them in the FB role with a more defensive player. Think it’s basically something that you’d come up with if you were looking for a safety blanket.
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Post by jm on Aug 19, 2023 20:28:04 GMT
So if he's a premier league quality player in attack he has to be in the side - it's just finding his best position as quickly as possible within the new team
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 19, 2023 20:42:52 GMT
Defensive frailties got shown up a bit today but he's exciting.
I'd copy Klopp's early use of TAA and have a double pivot in midfield when Hoever goes up. Limit Laurent's forward surges a bit.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 19, 2023 20:48:08 GMT
Poor today. Again. Doesn’t know where to stand.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 19, 2023 20:51:20 GMT
Poor today. Again. Doesn’t know where to stand. Ain’t it great when your poor players deliver a positive net outcome. Has Sterling managed it yet?
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 19, 2023 20:51:35 GMT
Poor today. Again. Doesn’t know where to stand. He threaded a few good passes into Wes and Johnson that actually got us somewhere dangerous. Plus the assist. Defensively really worrying, the coaches have had a while to work on that side of his game and failed so far.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 19, 2023 20:53:57 GMT
Poor today. Again. Doesn’t know where to stand. Ain’t it great when your poor players deliver a positive net outcome. Has Sterling managed it yet? Sterling is a much better right back.
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Post by baconburger on Aug 19, 2023 20:56:49 GMT
Ain’t it great when your poor players deliver a positive net outcome. Has Sterling managed it yet? Sterling is a much better right back. Of course he is. He’s good going forward too. Two seasons in the championship without a single goal or assist.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 19, 2023 20:59:41 GMT
Sterling is a much better right back. Of course he is. He’s good going forward too. Two seasons in the championship without a single goal or assist. 🤷♂️
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Post by baconburger on Aug 19, 2023 21:02:38 GMT
Of course he is. He’s good going forward too. Two seasons in the championship without a single goal or assist. 🤷♂️ This side of yours must be going to keep a shit load of clean sheets.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 19, 2023 21:02:56 GMT
Ain’t it great when your poor players deliver a positive net outcome. Has Sterling managed it yet? Sterling is a much better right back. You can only really play Hoever in a 4 and when Pearson is playing. Pearson is the only midfielder we've got with the nous to cover the full back spot when Hoever goes walkabout.
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