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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 1, 2023 9:07:48 GMT
If Chopper's Newcastle and Forest hints are true, Panzo and Lascelles seem the likeliest? Noone obvious at Newcastle, and they seem very short of centre-backs and he is officially club captain and normally gets on the bench despite playing only 200 mins and being in the last year of his deal? Panzo could offer a different type of left-back option too? He seems the type we'd go for on a perm. Not sure he'd come for the bench though - was linked with Rangers Lascelles would be a fantastic signing- a real leader at the back. I can't see it happening though. Surely a lower Premier League team would snap him up if he's available?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2023 9:21:52 GMT
I think it will be Wilmott and AN other for Stoke .
Wilmott is very good on the ball for a young centre half , which is why he was involved with the England youth set up, when he was he was at Stevenage.
It's very odd to be involved in the England youth set up, when you are at Stevenage. He mentioned in an interview somewhere, he would turn up and the other lads would be from man city youth , Aston villa youth etc .
He has got the odd mistake in him and I can't imagine him becoming a Rober Huth style " Berlin wall", but he is composed on the ball for a young centre half in the championship.
I think we should stick with him, I think he is going to become a good player .
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 1, 2023 9:40:20 GMT
Can you not remember some of the awful mistakes he made leading to goals early on last season? He did improve as the season went on, but don't you think that you are over egging it slightly? Not at all, gets unjustified criticism from some. Carried a pensioner and played on the left side for most of last season and even full back. Fortunately AN rates him very highly. It wasn't unjustified criticism - early last season he was gifting goals and had a mistake in him every game and even Neil said as much. He ended the season really well and if anything that has skewed people's judgement. He has the potential to be a decent player but he has to be way more consistent than last season. I'm sure he'll play early season but if the mistakes creep back into his game others will get picked before him. We certainly need another CB and personally I think there's room for an old head especially as I don't think Taylor is there yet and needs another loan.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 1, 2023 9:58:57 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 1, 2023 10:03:43 GMT
As soon as he’s announced I expect one to be announced going out
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 1, 2023 10:04:47 GMT
As soon as he’s announced I expect one to be announced going out Taylor to Bristol Rovers? I know there was talk of Plymouth, but probably best he goes somewhere he'll play every week
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 1, 2023 10:08:04 GMT
Fee for Taylor would be interesting. £400-500k? Bristol Rovers seem to have a bit of money to spend www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/wael-al-qadi-bristol-rovers-8642264The agreement will see Al Saeed purchase a 55 per cent controlling stake and become co-owner of Dwane Sports, who hold own a 96.5 per cent stake in the Gas, with Wael Al-Qadi retaining his position as club figurehead. Additional investment is expected to be provided for the playing budget, including in the current transfer window.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Aug 1, 2023 10:11:09 GMT
If Chopper's Newcastle and Forest hints are true, Panzo and Lascelles seem the likeliest? Noone obvious at Newcastle, and they seem very short of centre-backs and he is officially club captain and normally gets on the bench despite playing only 200 mins and being in the last year of his deal? Panzo could offer a different type of left-back option too? He seems the type we'd go for on a perm. Not sure he'd come for the bench though - was linked with Rangers Just don't be Ciaran Clarke.. Assuming he's still at Newcastle.
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Post by sportsman on Aug 1, 2023 10:14:17 GMT
You go up against stoke you'll be made to look silly 😁
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Post by stokeuk474 on Aug 1, 2023 10:15:09 GMT
Ben Wilmot is one of the better centre backs in this league. All defenders have mistakes in them at this level, if they didn't then they'd be playing in the PL.
He's a positive lad who always looks to bring the ball forward/be progressive rather than just pass it sideways. He's brave, committed and chips in with the odd goal here and there.
I expect he'll be the mainstay of the back 4 probably with McNally and Rose rotating in for some games.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 1, 2023 10:15:33 GMT
If Chopper's Newcastle and Forest hints are true, Panzo and Lascelles seem the likeliest? Noone obvious at Newcastle, and they seem very short of centre-backs and he is officially club captain and normally gets on the bench despite playing only 200 mins and being in the last year of his deal? Panzo could offer a different type of left-back option too? He seems the type we'd go for on a perm. Not sure he'd come for the bench though - was linked with Rangers Just don't be Ciaran Clarke.. Assuming he's still at Newcastle. He's not there anymore - so safe on that one!
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Post by LGH87 on Aug 1, 2023 10:16:59 GMT
If we're seriously in for Panzo, are we just trying to recreate Cov's defence from last year with rose already signed & Mcnally seemingly waiting to be announced.
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Post by knype on Aug 1, 2023 10:17:34 GMT
As soon as he’s announced I expect one to be announced going out Taylor
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 1, 2023 10:41:28 GMT
For someone so good he didn’t half make so many mistakes, pass inconsistently and play a big part in us having our worst season in about 20 years.
It’s almost like he’s very average.
There’s nothing wrong with being average either.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 1, 2023 11:38:05 GMT
For someone so good he didn’t half make so many mistakes, pass inconsistently and play a big part in us having our worst season in about 20 years. It’s almost like he’s very average. There’s nothing wrong with being average either. McNally? I thought he was class?
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Post by biddulphchav on Aug 1, 2023 12:08:45 GMT
Wilmott is one of the best centre backs in the Championship, the defense will be built around him. I think you would be in a minority with that opinion. He’s distinctly average, not great in the air or dominant in any way. I don’t dislike him and he’s pretty quick but no where near top end championship Personally I think Wilmot is decent, and has the potential to be very, very good. He’s inconsistent, that’s his biggest issue, and that’s really what separates the decent from the standout players. Hopefully he gets a good run in the same position this season which I think if he’s does he’ll really show what he’s capable of
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 1, 2023 12:09:09 GMT
For someone so good he didn’t half make so many mistakes, pass inconsistently and play a big part in us having our worst season in about 20 years. It’s almost like he’s very average. There’s nothing wrong with being average either. Average is an improvement on a lot of players we have had these past few years.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 1, 2023 12:21:06 GMT
For someone so good he didn’t half make so many mistakes, pass inconsistently and play a big part in us having our worst season in about 20 years. It’s almost like he’s very average. There’s nothing wrong with being average either. He's also only 23.
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Post by lordb on Aug 1, 2023 12:29:49 GMT
For someone so good he didn’t half make so many mistakes, pass inconsistently and play a big part in us having our worst season in about 20 years. It’s almost like he’s very average. There’s nothing wrong with being average either. The previous season he did Last season he improved on all those areas and was highly consistent that's why he won player of the season it's also why you should always be prepared to reassess your opinion
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 1, 2023 12:34:06 GMT
For someone so good he didn’t half make so many mistakes, pass inconsistently and play a big part in us having our worst season in about 20 years. It’s almost like he’s very average. There’s nothing wrong with being average either. He's only average if you take the average of his performances. He hardly ever has an average game - he's either very good or very bad. If he cuts out the howlers he's got the potential to be a very good defender and be one of the first on the teamsheet but if he keeps making mistakes he's a liability and shouldn't get picked. Bizarrely if he was average he'd be more likely to get picked. I don't get the tolerance for defenders who regularly make mistakes.You really need consistency with defenders and I'd take an average defender who makes very few mistakes and does nothing special over one who can do something eye catching one minute and then something calamitous the next. I'm the opposite with wingers/creative midfielders - you want them to be able to do something different and if it doesn't come off every time it's no big deal.
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Post by pez75 on Aug 1, 2023 12:37:46 GMT
For someone so good he didn’t half make so many mistakes, pass inconsistently and play a big part in us having our worst season in about 20 years. It’s almost like he’s very average. There’s nothing wrong with being average either. The previous season he did Last season he improved on all those areas and was highly consistent that's why he won player of the season it's also why you should always be prepared to reassess your opinion He was POTS because there was literally zero competition. Won it by default...
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Post by HarryTheHat on Aug 1, 2023 12:37:49 GMT
Ben Wilmot is one of the better centre backs in this league. All defenders have mistakes in them at this level, if they didn't then they'd be playing in the PL. He's a positive lad who always looks to bring the ball forward/be progressive rather than just pass it sideways. He's brave, committed and chips in with the odd goal here and there. I expect he'll be the mainstay of the back 4 probably with McNally and Rose rotating in for some games. 100% correct - anybody who can't see this needs their head checking (or in Bayern's case, being deliberately provocative to garner responses). He'll be pretty much the first name on the team sheet under Neil I'd imagine
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2023 12:40:49 GMT
For someone so good he didn’t half make so many mistakes, pass inconsistently and play a big part in us having our worst season in about 20 years. It’s almost like he’s very average. There’s nothing wrong with being average either. He's only average if you take the average of his performances. He hardly ever has an average game - he's either very good or very bad. If he cuts out the howlers he's got the potential to be a very good defender and be one of the first on the teamsheet but if he keeps making mistakes he's a liability and shouldn't get picked. Bizarrely if he was average he'd be more likely to get picked. I don't get the tolerance for defenders who regularly make mistakes.You really need consistency with defenders and I'd take an average defender who makes very few mistakes and does nothing special over one who can do something eye catching one minute and then something calamitous the next. I'm the opposite with wingers/creative midfielders - you want them to be able to do something different and if it doesn't come off every time it's no big deal. I completely agree. That's why I would go for Rose over Wilmot. Admittedly I haven't seen a lot of him but he does seem a very steady Eddie type player.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 1, 2023 12:42:39 GMT
We’ve fallen into his trap AGAIN. We’ve allowed Bayern to hijack a thread about McNally and turn it into a thread about Wilmot and him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2023 12:45:04 GMT
Ben Wilmot is one of the better centre backs in this league. All defenders have mistakes in them at this level, if they didn't then they'd be playing in the PL. He's a positive lad who always looks to bring the ball forward/be progressive rather than just pass it sideways. He's brave, committed and chips in with the odd goal here and there. I expect he'll be the mainstay of the back 4 probably with McNally and Rose rotating in for some games. 100% correct - anybody who can't see this needs their head checking (or in Bayern's case, being deliberately provocative to garner responses). He'll be pretty much the first name on the team sheet under Neil I'd imagine So anyone who has a different opinion to you 'needs their head checking'. I'm off to the doctor's then.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Aug 1, 2023 12:58:26 GMT
For someone so good he didn’t half make so many mistakes, pass inconsistently and play a big part in us having our worst season in about 20 years. It’s almost like he’s very average. There’s nothing wrong with being average either. Lost count of the amount of times he kicked a pass out of play last season. And that was at full time away at Millwall.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Aug 1, 2023 12:59:26 GMT
Ben Wilmot is one of the better centre backs in this league. All defenders have mistakes in them at this level, if they didn't then they'd be playing in the PL. He's a positive lad who always looks to bring the ball forward/be progressive rather than just pass it sideways. He's brave, committed and chips in with the odd goal here and there. I expect he'll be the mainstay of the back 4 probably with McNally and Rose rotating in for some games. 100% correct - anybody who can't see this needs their head checking (or in Bayern's case, being deliberately provocative to garner responses). He'll be pretty much the first name on the team sheet under Neil I'd imagine He's bang average and therefore splits people's opinions. Is what it is.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 1, 2023 13:03:12 GMT
For someone so good he didn’t half make so many mistakes, pass inconsistently and play a big part in us having our worst season in about 20 years. It’s almost like he’s very average. There’s nothing wrong with being average either. McNally? I thought he was class? Wilmot. I’ve never heard of McNally 🤣
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 1, 2023 13:04:18 GMT
For someone so good he didn’t half make so many mistakes, pass inconsistently and play a big part in us having our worst season in about 20 years. It’s almost like he’s very average. There’s nothing wrong with being average either. The previous season he did Last season he improved on all those areas and was highly consistent that's why he won player of the season it's also why you should always be prepared to reassess your opinion Like TD says it was like winning the tallest dwarf competition. He was very poor for the first few month then got to average.
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Post by acstokie on Aug 1, 2023 13:04:21 GMT
100% correct - anybody who can't see this needs their head checking (or in Bayern's case, being deliberately provocative to garner responses). He'll be pretty much the first name on the team sheet under Neil I'd imagine He's bang average and therefore splits people's opinions. Is what it is. Wilmot looked very good with Tuanzebe alongside him, and I think he will alongside McNally who is a real top player.
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