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Post by fraybentos on Jul 12, 2023 19:54:06 GMT
the past few years have been crap, last year especially...it was there watch. time for a clear out
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Post by peterpan1 on Jul 12, 2023 20:13:57 GMT
The old saying of doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome springs to mind. The past few yrs have been nothing short of woeful. I welcome the changes, let's hope it brings better days.
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Post by a on Jul 12, 2023 20:30:55 GMT
Seems like one or two have written off the new or incoming staff already. How ridiculous.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 12, 2023 20:37:11 GMT
Seems like one or two have written off the new or incoming staff already. How ridiculous. Nobody comes to work to do a bad job at some point you have to question the leaders if it’s everyone’s else’s fault
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Post by liathroid on Jul 12, 2023 20:49:06 GMT
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Post by a on Jul 12, 2023 20:57:58 GMT
Seems like one or two have written off the new or incoming staff already. How ridiculous. Nobody comes to work to do a bad job at some point you have to question the leaders if it’s everyone’s else’s fault But they have done a bad job….
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 12, 2023 21:01:07 GMT
Nobody comes to work to do a bad job at some point you have to question the leaders if it’s everyone’s else’s fault But they have done a bad job…. Owen and rooster have played a key role in developing the likes of collins souttar Campbell , wright Phillips Tezgel .Lowe so I’m not sure that’s entire;y fair
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 12, 2023 22:02:06 GMT
But they have done a bad job…. Owen and rooster have played a key role in developing the likes of collins souttar Campbell , wright Phillips Tezgel .Lowe so I’m not sure that’s entire;y fair Surely that is only partly true? Collins, yes agreed. Souttar and Campbell really came good when away from the club on loans, and Campbell was on his way but MON kept him and gave him his chance. Was Campbell really a Stoke academy product? Wright Phillips Tezgel .Lowe - are they developed yet? Surely developed means regular first team appearances? How many players have gone through the academy in the last 20 years and how many has Stoke developed into successful professionals? I don't know what the expected success rate should be, but it certainly isn't high.
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Post by a on Jul 12, 2023 22:09:23 GMT
But they have done a bad job…. Owen and rooster have played a key role in developing the likes of collins souttar Campbell , wright Phillips Tezgel .Lowe so I’m not sure that’s entire;y fair You made the sweeping generalisation mate 😂 Obviously not all have done a bad job, but some have underachieved and some of those are now gone.
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Post by jhtstokie on Jul 13, 2023 6:35:32 GMT
Funny how people wanted a clear out, and when it happens people still moan….
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Post by iamstokie on Jul 13, 2023 6:58:55 GMT
Funny how people wanted a clear out, and when it happens people still moan…. as there been any posts saying a clear out of the academy is needed , because i haven’t seen one
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 13, 2023 7:34:43 GMT
Playing devils advocate what if Neil is doing what we want and building a philosophy throughout the club and Rooster, Owen et al all want to play a possession based game. But the directive from the Coates is to mould the whole club in AN image (front foot, attacking, aggressive) that we will follow going forward.
It’s the communication as normal that’s the real problem.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jul 13, 2023 7:51:49 GMT
But they have done a bad job…. Owen and rooster have played a key role in developing the likes of collins souttar Campbell , wright Phillips Tezgel .Lowe so I’m not sure that’s entire;y fair At this point, no player recruited into the academy at an early age has become a first team regular in over a decade, that is not success in any shape or form.
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Post by iamstokie on Jul 13, 2023 7:56:13 GMT
Playing devils advocate what if Neil is doing what we want and building a philosophy throughout the club and Rooster, Owen et al all want to play a possession based game. But the directive from the Coates is to mould the whole club in AN image (front foot, attacking, aggressive) that we will follow going forward. It’s the communication as normal that’s the real problem. then that’s ridiculous, a bad start and he could be gone come november
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Post by iamstokie on Jul 13, 2023 7:56:28 GMT
Playing devils advocate what if Neil is doing what we want and building a philosophy throughout the club and Rooster, Owen et al all want to play a possession based game. But the directive from the Coates is to mould the whole club in AN image (front foot, attacking, aggressive) that we will follow going forward. It’s the communication as normal that’s the real problem. then that’s ridiculous, a bad start and he could be gone come november
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Post by senojbor on Jul 13, 2023 8:00:29 GMT
I don't know the real reason why they are leaving So I don't have an opinion I don't know why I'm writing this
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 13, 2023 9:19:21 GMT
I don't know the real reason why they are leaving So I don't have an opinion I don't know why I'm writing this Or in Haiku form: I have no reason An opinion to inform I post regardless
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 13, 2023 12:15:13 GMT
Playing devils advocate what if Neil is doing what we want and building a philosophy throughout the club and Rooster, Owen et al all want to play a possession based game. But the directive from the Coates is to mould the whole club in AN image (front foot, attacking, aggressive) that we will follow going forward. It’s the communication as normal that’s the real problem. then that’s ridiculous, a bad start and he could be gone come november You’ve missed my whole point. Maybe the Coates want to build our ‘identity’ to be front foot, fast, attacking football. And AN is laying those foundations. Bad start and he’s gone, we then recruit someone in AN mould who plays ‘fast attacking, front foot football’. There always has to be a start.
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Post by iamstokie on Jul 13, 2023 12:19:12 GMT
then that’s ridiculous, a bad start and he could be gone come november You’ve missed my whole point. Maybe the Coates want to build our ‘identity’ to be front foot, fast, attacking football. And AN is laying those foundations. Bad start and he’s gone, we then recruit someone in AN mould who plays ‘fast attacking, front foot football’. There always has to be a start. what have coates got do with how we play football 😂😂😂, when he fucks up and the fans turn as they will he will be gone , then another one comes in with a different philosophy, it’s a fucked up process letting one bloke have all the power
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Post by bunnyscfc on Jul 13, 2023 12:59:07 GMT
Funny how people wanted a clear out, and when it happens people still moan…. It's the same clear out as always though - it's manager led. That's what some are rightly questioning. If this was done by someone whose best mate isn't the manager, then fair enough. This is the problem -each time there’s a new manager the owners allow wholesale changes to the structure by the manager. And that's pretty pointless as if the manager does well he won't be here long, and if he doesn't do well he won't be here long. Brighton and Brentford are the shining light. One loses their golden manager and have a ready made replacement lined up who has actually improved the team. One loses their best player most seasons and has a ready made replacement lined up after making a pile of money on the lad he's replaced. It's seamless, and it's the modern way football clubs should be run.
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Post by clarkeda on Jul 13, 2023 13:02:08 GMT
You’ve missed my whole point. Maybe the Coates want to build our ‘identity’ to be front foot, fast, attacking football. And AN is laying those foundations. Bad start and he’s gone, we then recruit someone in AN mould who plays ‘fast attacking, front foot football’. There always has to be a start. what have coates got do with how we play football 😂😂😂, when he fucks up and the fans turn as they will he will be gone , then another one comes in with a different philosophy, it’s a fucked up process letting one bloke have all the power They own the club and in the absence of any key strategic leader of football operations, I image the Coates could set the directive of that’s how they want the club to play football. It is their money after all. Jesus this is hard work
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Post by thevoid on Jul 13, 2023 13:31:34 GMT
then that’s ridiculous, a bad start and he could be gone come november You’ve missed my whole point. Maybe the Coates want to build our ‘identity’ to be front foot, fast, attacking football. And AN is laying those foundations. Bad start and he’s gone, we then recruit someone in AN mould who plays ‘fast attacking, front foot football’. There always has to be a start. Occam's razor would suggest otherwise. And AN's teams have never been renowned for front foot football have they?
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Post by iamstokie on Jul 13, 2023 13:46:09 GMT
what have coates got do with how we play football 😂😂😂, when he fucks up and the fans turn as they will he will be gone , then another one comes in with a different philosophy, it’s a fucked up process letting one bloke have all the power They own the club and in the absence of any key strategic leader of football operations, I image the Coates could set the directive of that’s how they want the club to play football. It is their money after all. Jesus this is hard work sorry it’s a really low percent of owners that would tell a manager how they want to play , the coates aren’t in that percent , they always give the manager full power and this is where our problems lie
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Post by mickey2693 on Jul 13, 2023 13:52:30 GMT
I don't know the real reason why they are leaving So I don't have an opinion I don't know why I'm writing this Or in Haiku form: I have no reason An opinion to inform I post regardless This is real content Too few Haikus are found here This one is poor mind
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Post by chopperscfc on Jul 13, 2023 13:54:58 GMT
It happens when you’re going through a culture change. I’ve seen it happen in big and small companies. Possibly overdue in some regards. Time will tell if it’s a success but I hope it works out. Way overdue and good to have a clear out and restart.
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Post by danceswithclams on Jul 13, 2023 15:07:16 GMT
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Post by a on Jul 14, 2023 8:36:13 GMT
Playing devils advocate what if Neil is doing what we want and building a philosophy throughout the club and Rooster, Owen et al all want to play a possession based game. But the directive from the Coates is to mould the whole club in AN image (front foot, attacking, aggressive) that we will follow going forward. It’s the communication as normal that’s the real problem. then that’s ridiculous, a bad start and he could be gone come november I don’t think he will though to be fair. He’s a proven manager at this level and as we’ve seen with Rowett and even Jones, they’ve done better at other clubs. Maybe this clear out will give him an opportunity to shape us into the next Norwich or the like (hopefully anyway 😂)
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Post by iamstokie on Jul 14, 2023 10:19:02 GMT
then that’s ridiculous, a bad start and he could be gone come november I don’t think he will though to be fair. He’s a proven manager at this level and as we’ve seen with Rowett and even Jones, they’ve done better at other clubs. Maybe this clear out will give him an opportunity to shape us into the next Norwich or the like (hopefully anyway 😂) he’s not proven at all , he took Norwich up with another managers players , and according some , and you’re one , that can’t be done unless they’re your own players 🤷♂️
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Post by Old School Stokie on Jul 14, 2023 11:00:40 GMT
Clearout was most definitely needed - from an internal management point of view things were not right and its taken balls and AN to sort - previously its been a case of Circus Syndrome - Same old Clowns different Ringmaster
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Post by a on Jul 14, 2023 11:16:15 GMT
I don’t think he will though to be fair. He’s a proven manager at this level and as we’ve seen with Rowett and even Jones, they’ve done better at other clubs. Maybe this clear out will give him an opportunity to shape us into the next Norwich or the like (hopefully anyway 😂) he’s not proven at all , he took Norwich up with another managers players , and according some , and you’re one , that can’t be done unless they’re your own players 🤷♂️ I think he’s got good pedigree but we can agree to disagree
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