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Post by sticky on Oct 8, 2023 19:07:41 GMT
If retaliatory attacks kill thousands of Palestinians, and people go marching in our city centre with Israel flags, what will be the response from the police?…
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 8, 2023 19:12:25 GMT
To be fair Mutters, this is pretty small fry compared to what's going on in the rest of the world ... Fair enough mate It may be “fair enough” but this is going on in the U.K. the most tolerate nation in the world. This is where it has led us. It’s fucking disgusting and I’m ashamed of this country for allowing it |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 8, 2023 19:23:08 GMT
It may be “fair enough” but this is going on in the U.K. the most tolerate nation in the world. This is where it has led us. It’s fucking disgusting and I’m ashamed of this country for allowing it Some of marches/parades I’ve seen on Social media by Muslims in our towns/cities prior to all this cracking off are even more worrying for generations to come mate |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 8, 2023 19:24:39 GMT
If retaliatory attacks kill thousands of Palestinians, and people go marching in our city centre with Israel flags, what will be the response from the police?… It's happening right now in Times Square mate. It's why it's so important for people not to take sides but rather, call for peace and de escalation. It's obviously not going to happen in Israel for the time being but people feeling like they have to be seen to back one side or the other in countries outside of Israel, could end up bringing violence to their own streets. |
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Post by sticky on Oct 8, 2023 19:28:05 GMT
If retaliatory attacks kill thousands of Palestinians, and people go marching in our city centre with Israel flags, what will be the response from the police?… It's happening right now in Times Square mate. It's why it's so important for people not to take sides but rather, call for peace and de escalation. It's obviously not going to happen in Israel for the time being but people feeling like they have to be seen to back one side or the other in countries outside of Israel, could end up bringing violence to their own streets. I think this has been coming for years. can see it getting messy, there’ll be differing groups jumping all over it, and then the police are in a dilemma of justifying why some can and some can’t “peacefully demonstrate” |
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Post by Clem Fandango on Oct 8, 2023 19:28:11 GMT
Fundamentalists have the world fucked, nutters on both sides. In a nutshell TCM. The acts of Hamas over the last 48 hours should be deplored in the strongest terms but at the same time, we cannot ignore the fact, that the Israeli state has been carrying out exactly the same atrocities on a daily basis for years. I could be wrong mate but it doesn’t feel like Israel has been doing the exact same. I know that the Israeli state has been complicit in crimes against civilians but I don’t recall scenes of double tapping civilians on their cars and homes and then uploading it to social media. I also don’t recall masses of barbaric kidnapping either. Like I say I could be wrong. |
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Oct 8, 2023 19:33:30 GMT
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Post by milton58 on Oct 8, 2023 19:33:30 GMT
Were all fucked tbh get a good spliff and it will all be good for everyone
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Oct 8, 2023 19:35:35 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 8, 2023 19:35:35 GMT
In a nutshell TCM. The acts of Hamas over the last 48 hours should be deplored in the strongest terms but at the same time, we cannot ignore the fact, that the Israeli state has been carrying out exactly the same atrocities on a daily basis for years. I could be wrong mate but it doesn’t feel like Israel has been doing the exact same. I know that the Israeli state has been complicit in crimes against civilians but I don’t recall scenes of double tapping civilians on their cars and homes and then uploading it to social media. I also don’t recall masses of barbaric kidnapping either. Like I say I could be wrong. Mate, I'm not going to get into a competition with you, to list the most despicable atrocities committed by either side. All I'll say is, is that I feel perfectly comfortable with the spirit of my original comment. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 8, 2023 19:38:48 GMT
These are the type of war mongering nutters, who could end up effecting you and I ...
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Oct 8, 2023 19:40:29 GMT
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 8, 2023 19:40:29 GMT
It may be “fair enough” but this is going on in the U.K. the most tolerate nation in the world. This is where it has led us. It’s fucking disgusting and I’m ashamed of this country for allowing it We haven't allowed it though mate, our wokey government has and our wokey government doesn't represent me or speak for me. |
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Oct 8, 2023 19:41:32 GMT
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Post by musik on Oct 8, 2023 19:41:32 GMT
Political debate on Swedish tv right now.
I haven't heard much about the Hamas towards Israel situation before, but they're debating it now, among with other topics like gang criminality, health sector, schools et cetera.
Israel vs Hamas
Decision: Sweden will send no poor-country-help (assistance) to Palestina.
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Oct 8, 2023 19:42:16 GMT
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 8, 2023 19:42:16 GMT
In a nutshell TCM. The acts of Hamas over the last 48 hours should be deplored in the strongest terms but at the same time, we cannot ignore the fact, that the Israeli state has been carrying out exactly the same atrocities on a daily basis for years. I could be wrong mate but it doesn’t feel like Israel has been doing the exact same. I know that the Israeli state has been complicit in crimes against civilians but I don’t recall scenes of double tapping civilians on their cars and homes and then uploading it to social media. I also don’t recall masses of barbaric kidnapping either. Like I say I could be wrong. You aren't wrong. |
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Oct 8, 2023 19:42:48 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 8, 2023 19:42:48 GMT
It may be “fair enough” but this is going on in the U.K. the most tolerate nation in the world. This is where it has led us. It’s fucking disgusting and I’m ashamed of this country for allowing it We haven't allowed it though mate, our wokey government has and our wokey government doesn't represent me or speak for me. We have, because unlike France for example we moan about it but do fuck all about it. And I’m as guilty as anyone but it’s true |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 8, 2023 19:47:10 GMT
In a nutshell TCM. The acts of Hamas over the last 48 hours should be deplored in the strongest terms but at the same time, we cannot ignore the fact, that the Israeli state has been carrying out exactly the same atrocities on a daily basis for years. I could be wrong mate but it doesn’t feel like Israel has been doing the exact same. I know that the Israeli state has been complicit in crimes against civilians but I don’t recall scenes of double tapping civilians on their cars and homes and then uploading it to social media. I also don’t recall masses of barbaric kidnapping either. Like I say I could be wrong. There are so many examples where these types of things have happened, look at the aftermath of the Gaza Protests in 2018 for example, 100's of Palestinians killed and thousands badly injured through indiscriminate attacks by the Israeli army. If you don't believe me then take the word of Amnesty International or the UN, many including 31 children were just shot from a distance whilst standing waving the Palestinian flag. One side commits these terrible acts under the umbrella of "Hamas terrorist organisation" and the other commits them under the umbrella of "the state of Israel, friend of the West". Therein lies the difference.............. |
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Oct 8, 2023 19:55:44 GMT
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 8, 2023 19:55:44 GMT
We haven't allowed it though mate, our wokey government has and our wokey government doesn't represent me or speak for me. We have, because unlike France for example we moan about it but do fuck all about it. And I’m as guilty as anyone but it’s true When we do though we get called racist/ fascist etc by the media or worse still the media don't report on it. When the EDL started to take to the streets, dispite being none racist to begin with, the MSM did what they always do and labelled them "far fight" even though they had a a sikh division, a Jewish division, a Hindu division and even a gay division. One of the main speakers was brown, but that didn't stop the labeling. There were often thousands of patriots in attendance but the media would take a photo of a few stragglers and try to pass it off as a true reflection of the numbers and claim there was a couple of hundred at best. Don't get me wrong I'm not pro edl and I'm not saying they didn't end up being a racist, hooligan filled group full of drunken pricks, but even before they were all them things the media lied. Recently a group of patriots in Wales have been protesting about plans to house asylum seekers in one of their villages. Old ladies , old men, women, and kids all labelled far right by the msm. There are patriot protests all the time all over the country but the media ignore them so the rest of us think that it's a pointless situation. I agree that we have too many piss heads and fat lazy slobs in this country that aren't aware and are too blinkered to do anything about anything but amongst them there are still a good number of proud patriot Brits willing to stand up and battle the anti British organisations that have torjan horsed their way into our institutions. |
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Oct 8, 2023 19:55:50 GMT
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Post by flea79 on Oct 8, 2023 19:55:50 GMT
I could be wrong mate but it doesn’t feel like Israel has been doing the exact same. I know that the Israeli state has been complicit in crimes against civilians but I don’t recall scenes of double tapping civilians on their cars and homes and then uploading it to social media. I also don’t recall masses of barbaric kidnapping either. Like I say I could be wrong. Mate, I'm not going to get into a competition with you, to list the most despicable atrocities committed by either side. All I'll say is, is that I feel perfectly comfortable with the spirit of my original comment. Having just poked my head into a gore website both sides need a damn good thrashing The idf are stripping the bodies of the hamas fighters and displaying them publicly The hamas lot are piling bodies of Israelis in the streets I thought Geneva convention was supposed to stop these things |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 8, 2023 20:00:32 GMT
Mate, I'm not going to get into a competition with you, to list the most despicable atrocities committed by either side. All I'll say is, is that I feel perfectly comfortable with the spirit of my original comment. Having just poked my head into a gore website both sides need a damn good thrashing The idf are stripping the bodies of the hamas fighters and displaying them publicly The hamas lot are piling bodies of Israelis in the streets I thought Geneva convention was supposed to stop these things Indeed mate. And a lot, lot worse too but obviously we don't want to start a barbarous contest. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 8, 2023 20:00:54 GMT
There's a difference between hamas and Palestine. Strange that the bbc, itv and sky talk about Russia as a country committing humans rights atrocities and acts of war but Israel is simply a country defending itself. What does a terrorist attack on Manchester have to do with Palestine. Since when is Palestine "left wing". Alot of Muslim nations don't have the best record when it comes to human rights and equality. Just because they're brown doesn't mean they're left wing. An interesting trend developing in the culture wars here though. I don't support the deaths or murders of any indidivudals. Only Israel have the power to find a peaceful solution as they hold all the cards. So I will hold Israel accountable above all other parties as they're the ones who hold most of the cards here. Let's not turn this into a left v right thing though. Both Israel and Hamas have committed horrendous atrocities. But until the United Nations begin to hold Israel to account for their crimes; things like this will continue to happen. I think you missed my point re Manchester mate. The principle is exactly the same. People thinking it's OK to murder innocent people in the name of their cause - Be it territorial, anti semitism or a desire for a caliphate. |
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Post by Clem Fandango on Oct 8, 2023 20:01:30 GMT
I could be wrong mate but it doesn’t feel like Israel has been doing the exact same. I know that the Israeli state has been complicit in crimes against civilians but I don’t recall scenes of double tapping civilians on their cars and homes and then uploading it to social media. I also don’t recall masses of barbaric kidnapping either. Like I say I could be wrong. There are so many examples where these types of things have happened, look at the aftermath of the Gaza Protests in 2018 for example, 100's of Palestinians killed and thousands badly injured through indiscriminate attacks by the Israeli army. If you don't believe me then take the word of Amnesty International or the UN, many including 31 children were just shot from a distance whilst standing waving the Palestinian flag. One side commits these terrible acts under the umbrella of "Hamas terrorist organisation" and the other commits them under the umbrella "the state of Israel, friend of the West". Therein lies the difference.............. Well at the same time one dresses like a solider and acts like a solider the other dresses like a civilian carries a weapon and then disappears into a civilian population forcing soldiers to make terrible decisions. Not trying to excuse but the rules of engagement are very difficult under those circumstances. |
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Post by flea79 on Oct 8, 2023 20:01:39 GMT
Having just poked my head into a gore website both sides need a damn good thrashing The idf are stripping the bodies of the hamas fighters and displaying them publicly The hamas lot are piling bodies of Israelis in the streets I thought Geneva convention was supposed to stop these things Indeed mate. And a lot, lot worse too but obviously we don't want to start a barbarous contest. No obviously not, the whole thing is a shit show and how anybody can openly declare support for either side when such atrocities are being carried out by them both is beyond the pale |
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Oct 8, 2023 20:07:58 GMT
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Post by questionable on Oct 8, 2023 20:07:58 GMT
Iran really need to be taught a firm lesson that needs to set them back decades
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Oct 8, 2023 20:11:54 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Oct 8, 2023 20:11:54 GMT
At least 260 people killed at the music festival.
Utterly horrific.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 8, 2023 20:14:27 GMT
Iran really need to be taught a firm lesson that needs to set them back decades We had the opportunity under Hassan Rouhani's fairly moderate government to make real diplomatic progress which would have in turn helped bring some kind of order to the Middle East. But we chose not to take it. What lesson do you think we need to teach them, more bombs? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2023 20:17:57 GMT
At least 260 people killed at the music festival. Utterly horrific. It’s terrible for the civilians. I can’t imagine what they are all going through right now. |
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Post by wannabee on Oct 8, 2023 20:18:43 GMT
Mate, I'm not going to get into a competition with you, to list the most despicable atrocities committed by either side. All I'll say is, is that I feel perfectly comfortable with the spirit of my original comment. Having just poked my head into a gore website both sides need a damn good thrashing The idf are stripping the bodies of the hamas fighters and displaying them publicly The hamas lot are piling bodies of Israelis in the streets I thought Geneva convention was supposed to stop these things Since 2015 the UN has adopted 140 Resolutions against Israel for Human Rights abused against the Palestinians Any other Country would be ostracized and sanctioned but under US cover fuck all is ever done. In the same period 68 Resolutions were adopted against all other Countries in the World International Organisations do a lot of tut tutting but unless US says so nothing is done It is why many Countries outside the "west" are forming seperate alliances BRICS for example |
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Oct 8, 2023 20:20:00 GMT
Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 8, 2023 20:20:00 GMT
Iran really need to be taught a firm lesson that needs to set them back decades We had the opportunity under Hassan Rouhani's fairly moderate government to make real diplomatic progress which would have in turn helped bring some kind of order to the Middle East. But we chose not to take it. What lesson do you think we need to teach them, more bombs?
Indeed PP, did you have a chance to open the link to Lindsay Graham's comments that I posted above?
Absolutely terrifying!
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Oct 8, 2023 20:21:37 GMT
Unfortunately the Hamas attack might give Israel the excuse to virtually annihilate the West Bank and Gaza strip, given the West's support for Israel.
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Post by aureliuspotter on Oct 8, 2023 20:25:02 GMT
Unfortunately the Hamas attack might give Israel the excuse to virtually annihilate the West Bank and Gaza strip, given the West's support for Israel. Maybe that's what Isreal wanted, hence how they 'weren't aware of what Hamas were planning' . |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 8, 2023 20:31:59 GMT
We had the opportunity under Hassan Rouhani's fairly moderate government to make real diplomatic progress which would have in turn helped bring some kind of order to the Middle East. But we chose not to take it. What lesson do you think we need to teach them, more bombs?
Indeed PP, did you have a chance to open the link to Lindsay Graham's comments that I posted above?
Absolutely terrifying!
Yes mate, these back seat generals who want to send other people's kids to die in wars just make me angry, because that's ultimately what he'd be advocating......... |
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Oct 8, 2023 20:34:36 GMT
Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 8, 2023 20:34:36 GMT
Having just poked my head into a gore website both sides need a damn good thrashing The idf are stripping the bodies of the hamas fighters and displaying them publicly The hamas lot are piling bodies of Israelis in the streets I thought Geneva convention was supposed to stop these things Since 2015 the UN has adopted 140 Resolutions against Israel for Human Rights abused against the Palestinians In the same period 68 Resolutions were adopted against all other Countries in the World
Incredible stat that is!
Pretty much nails the context of what's taking place.
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