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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 25, 2024 9:41:03 GMT
I don't know how the political parties in England would answer the question legalizing cannabis or not, but here is what ALL our Swedish political parties believe in, both within the government and the opposition parties. Source: our grand Valkompassen, facts prior to the EU Election in Sweden, SVT (our national tv). : Very bad suggestion! C The Center Party We in the Center Party want each country to decide for themselves on social issues, such as care, school, health and the labor market. The Center Party does not support the legalization of cannabis in Sweden. KD The Christian Democrats We want a drug-free society. We say no to drug liberalism and the legalization of cannabis and other drugs. Sweden, and most other countries, have joined the UN General Convention on Narcotic Drugs, which limits drug use to medical and scientific use. We also safeguard the national responsibility to develop criminal law and the definition of drug offences. L The Liberals The Liberals do not want to legalize cannabis in Sweden, and the issue should not be handled at EU level either. M.P The Green Party The Green Party does not want to legalize cannabis, as we believe it would increase the availability of cannabis in society. In order to reduce the abuse and dependence of cannabis and other drugs, it is important to have preventive social efforts as well as helping people out of addiction. M The moderates We stand behind the Swedish legislation and are against legalizing cannabis. Each member state chooses whether or not it wants to criminalize its own use of cannabis. S The Social Democrats We do not want to see any loosening of legislation or legalization of drugs. SD The Sweden Democrats The Sweden Democrats stand behind the Swedish drug legislation. We do not believe that the EU should have the power to liberalize drug legislation in the member states, but that this is a matter for these countries to decide themselves. V The left party The Left Party believes that the EU should not interfere in Swedish drug policy. Allowing drugs that are currently illegal only means that the market expands and that more people are at risk of becoming addicted to drugs. 🤠 Almost not a single fuck wants to legalise any drug in this country; we must be the most anti drug country in this world. If you'd suggest such a thing here, anyone would shake their head Out of interest Musik does Sweden have a big cannabis black market? Or do their laws actually work...
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Post by musik on May 25, 2024 11:16:14 GMT
I don't know how the political parties in England would answer the question legalizing cannabis or not, but here is what ALL our Swedish political parties believe in, both within the government and the opposition parties. Source: our grand Valkompassen, facts prior to the EU Election in Sweden, SVT (our national tv). : Very bad suggestion! C The Center Party We in the Center Party want each country to decide for themselves on social issues, such as care, school, health and the labor market. The Center Party does not support the legalization of cannabis in Sweden. KD The Christian Democrats We want a drug-free society. We say no to drug liberalism and the legalization of cannabis and other drugs. Sweden, and most other countries, have joined the UN General Convention on Narcotic Drugs, which limits drug use to medical and scientific use. We also safeguard the national responsibility to develop criminal law and the definition of drug offences. L The Liberals The Liberals do not want to legalize cannabis in Sweden, and the issue should not be handled at EU level either. M.P The Green Party The Green Party does not want to legalize cannabis, as we believe it would increase the availability of cannabis in society. In order to reduce the abuse and dependence of cannabis and other drugs, it is important to have preventive social efforts as well as helping people out of addiction. M The moderates We stand behind the Swedish legislation and are against legalizing cannabis. Each member state chooses whether or not it wants to criminalize its own use of cannabis. S The Social Democrats We do not want to see any loosening of legislation or legalization of drugs. SD The Sweden Democrats The Sweden Democrats stand behind the Swedish drug legislation. We do not believe that the EU should have the power to liberalize drug legislation in the member states, but that this is a matter for these countries to decide themselves. V The left party The Left Party believes that the EU should not interfere in Swedish drug policy. Allowing drugs that are currently illegal only means that the market expands and that more people are at risk of becoming addicted to drugs. 🤠 Almost not a single fuck wants to legalise any drug in this country; we must be the most anti drug country in this world. If you'd suggest such a thing here, anyone would shake their head Yet perfectly happy for people to get legless killing themselves on booze 24/7. It makes no sense to treat a plant you can grow in your back garden more or less the way we do. And as ely has highlighted many times the loss we've had in medical research because of this approach will eventually be exposed and we'll hang our heads in shame eventually... With the EU Election coming up here soon you hear and/or read some odd suggestions, it's unavoidable, even though I would want all of the parties to get through and be heard for it to be called a real democracy. However, one idea was that God isn't responsible for all plants on this planet. Satan had his part in the creation process as well, he had his play time, and this includes cocaine, cannabis, funny mushrooms, a lot of herbs - all that! This is also the reason Sweden is world known for the burning of witches for many many hundreds of years. These ladies probably got some medical knowledge, and it was seen as mysterious at best, but most people wanted to kill them straight away. And there are representatives from small odd parties even today who wants to get back to that time of horror. About the medical advantages, I think Sweden rely 100% on the pharmaceutical industry and the experts within the field who works with medicine full time, and who are considered to have only good intentions. I think they see the disadvantages with cannabis as far larger then the eventual good effects. I had a very nice work mate once who wanted it to be legalized because it was the only stuff that actually worked for his mother's arthtritis. She was what you would call disabled due to the disease. I wish them all the best, it was dreadful to hear him tell!
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Post by musik on May 25, 2024 11:26:40 GMT
I don't know how the political parties in England would answer the question legalizing cannabis or not, but here is what ALL our Swedish political parties believe in, both within the government and the opposition parties. Source: our grand Valkompassen, facts prior to the EU Election in Sweden, SVT (our national tv). : Very bad suggestion! C The Center Party We in the Center Party want each country to decide for themselves on social issues, such as care, school, health and the labor market. The Center Party does not support the legalization of cannabis in Sweden. KD The Christian Democrats We want a drug-free society. We say no to drug liberalism and the legalization of cannabis and other drugs. Sweden, and most other countries, have joined the UN General Convention on Narcotic Drugs, which limits drug use to medical and scientific use. We also safeguard the national responsibility to develop criminal law and the definition of drug offences. L The Liberals The Liberals do not want to legalize cannabis in Sweden, and the issue should not be handled at EU level either. M.P The Green Party The Green Party does not want to legalize cannabis, as we believe it would increase the availability of cannabis in society. In order to reduce the abuse and dependence of cannabis and other drugs, it is important to have preventive social efforts as well as helping people out of addiction. M The moderates We stand behind the Swedish legislation and are against legalizing cannabis. Each member state chooses whether or not it wants to criminalize its own use of cannabis. S The Social Democrats We do not want to see any loosening of legislation or legalization of drugs. SD The Sweden Democrats The Sweden Democrats stand behind the Swedish drug legislation. We do not believe that the EU should have the power to liberalize drug legislation in the member states, but that this is a matter for these countries to decide themselves. V The left party The Left Party believes that the EU should not interfere in Swedish drug policy. Allowing drugs that are currently illegal only means that the market expands and that more people are at risk of becoming addicted to drugs. 🤠 Almost not a single fuck wants to legalise any drug in this country; we must be the most anti drug country in this world. If you'd suggest such a thing here, anyone would shake their head Out of interest Musik does Sweden have a big cannabis black market? Or do their laws actually work... Hand on heart, I have no idea. From what politicians say, it works, and if it doesn't work they will be even tougher. Now thinking about it ...🤔 This must be THE ONLY political issue our politicians from the far left all the way to the far right agree upon.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 25, 2024 11:34:00 GMT
Out of interest Musik does Sweden have a big cannabis black market? Or do their laws actually work... Hand on heart, I have no idea. From what politicians say, it works, and if it doesn't work they will be even tougher. Now thinking about it ...🤔 This must be THE ONLY political issue our politicians from the far left all the way to the far right agree upon. www.politico.eu/article/swedens-border-drugs-boat-cargo-smuggling/It would appear not Musik. As of 2021 anyway. A 1.5bn a year market. Which is no doubt actually a lot bigger.. Hope that link works..
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Post by elystokie on May 25, 2024 11:48:30 GMT
Hand on heart, I have no idea. From what politicians say, it works, and if it doesn't work they will be even tougher. Now thinking about it ...🤔 This must be THE ONLY political issue our politicians from the far left all the way to the far right agree upon. www.politico.eu/article/swedens-border-drugs-boat-cargo-smuggling/It would appear not Musik. As of 2021 anyway. A 1.5bn a year market. Which is no doubt actually a lot bigger.. Hope that link works.. Now that Germany is legal recreationally they're surely going to have a lot of difficulty stopping people just jumping on a ferry and going 'shopping'? As for politicians saying it works, the evidence in front of their faces would suggest otherwise, just as it does in the UK. Interesting that Sweden has a rich history of witch hunting, that's exactly how future generations will see drug prohibition.
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Post by musik on May 25, 2024 12:32:18 GMT
Now that Germany is legal recreationally they're surely going to have a lot of difficulty stopping people just jumping on a ferry and going 'shopping'? As for politicians saying it works, the evidence in front of their faces would suggest otherwise, just as it does in the UK. Interesting that Sweden has a rich history of witch hunting, that's exactly how future generations will see drug prohibition. What people do in other countries they have no control over. But bringing it back here could mean trouble. The customs authorities are efficient. When they say it works, they continue by saying otherwise the amount have been even worse. They see it as cleaning, clean every week or never. Witch hunting. Yepp. It was really big here!
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 25, 2024 12:40:52 GMT
Now that Germany is legal recreationally they're surely going to have a lot of difficulty stopping people just jumping on a ferry and going 'shopping'? As for politicians saying it works, the evidence in front of their faces would suggest otherwise, just as it does in the UK. Interesting that Sweden has a rich history of witch hunting, that's exactly how future generations will see drug prohibition. What people do in other countries they have no control over. But bringing it back here could mean trouble. The customs authorities are efficient. When they say it works, they continue by saying otherwise the amount have been even worse. They see it as cleaning, clean every week or never. Witch hunting. Yepp. It was really big here! My maths says that based on an illegal market of 1.5bn as quoted in that 2021 article yoos lot in Sweden are each spending 150 quid a year on illegal drugs. What did you spend yours on Musik 😆
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Post by musik on May 25, 2024 13:12:31 GMT
What people do in other countries they have no control over. But bringing it back here could mean trouble. The customs authorities are efficient. When they say it works, they continue by saying otherwise the amount have been even worse. They see it as cleaning, clean every week or never. Witch hunting. Yepp. It was really big here! My maths says that based on an illegal market of 1.5bn as quoted in that 2021 article yoos lot in Sweden are each spending 150 quid a year on illegal drugs. What did you spend yours on Musik 😆 £5000 each rather.
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Post by elystokie on May 25, 2024 13:13:20 GMT
What people do in other countries they have no control over. But bringing it back here could mean trouble. The customs authorities are efficient. When they say it works, they continue by saying otherwise the amount have been even worse. They see it as cleaning, clean every week or never. Witch hunting. Yepp. It was really big here! My maths says that based on an illegal market of 1.5bn as quoted in that 2021 article yoos lot in Sweden are each spending 150 quid a year on illegal drugs. What did you spend yours on Musik 😆 Sweden has a population of around 11 million and the UK at around 70 million spends £9 billion on illegal drugs (and £20 billion enforcing prohibition 🤦) so the numbers per person aren't far off comparatively.
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Post by musik on May 25, 2024 14:19:16 GMT
Eeehhh ... but then you guys count every single individual in the population.
What's the number in England if you only counted the users?
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Post by elystokie on May 25, 2024 15:59:27 GMT
Eeehhh ... but then you guys count every single individual in the population. What's the number in England if you only counted the users? Difficult to ascertain obviously and depends how you count users and which drug you're talking about, the last drug commission reckoned the number of cannabis users was around 2.6 million (imagine trying to jail them all 😂). The interesting thing about the commission was that, no matter what their findings, they were forbidden from recommending legalisation 🤦 www.gov.uk/government/publications/review-of-drugs-phase-one-report/review-of-drugs-summaryInteresting snippet - 'The evidence suggests that enforcement activity can sometimes have unintended consequences, such as increasing levels of drug-related violence and the negative effects of involving individuals in the criminal justice system.' Other numbers are in the report, estimated users of other drugs, costs etc it's quite interesting.
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Post by musik on May 25, 2024 17:26:35 GMT
This reminds me of a BIG investigation some guy did on commission by the government a decade ago or so here, concerning the costs drug use of all kind leads to.
He found out it was 300 billion per year(!!!) we could have saved if noone used drugs. Notice here: alcohol was included. It's was on the news. It was all over the place.
I remember a guy outdoors here who had attached a huge poster on his belly and another one at his back with the headline "Drug users cost us 300 billion(!!) per year", taken from any of our leading newspapers. An enormous sum actually, more than what the health care and school system cost at the time.
He stood outside the tobaccoist and the Systembolag (the state controlled place where they sell our booze). And walked back and forth and made a fist to people now and then, if they entered. Quite an old guy.
Happy days! 🤠
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Post by elystokie on May 25, 2024 17:42:25 GMT
This reminds me of a BIG investigation some guy did on commission by the government a decade ago or so here, concerning the costs drug use of all kind leads to. He found out it was 300 billion per year(!!!) we could have saved if noone used drugs. Notice here: alcohol was included. It's was on the news. It was all over the place. I remember a guy outdoors here who had attached a huge poster on his belly and another one at his back with the headline "Drug users cost us 300 billion(!!) per year", taken from any of our leading newspapers. An enormous sum actually, more than what the health care and school system cost at the time. He stood outside the tobaccoist and the Systembolag (the state controlled place where they sell our booze). And walked back and forth and made a fist to people now and then, if they entered. Quite an old guy. Happy days! 🤠 I don't suppose they mentioned what proportion of that cost was down to alcohol? At the moment the only people profiting from drugs are criminal cartels and politicians, border guards etc etc on the take.
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Post by musik on May 25, 2024 19:21:46 GMT
This reminds me of a BIG investigation some guy did on commission by the government a decade ago or so here, concerning the costs drug use of all kind leads to. He found out it was 300 billion per year(!!!) we could have saved if noone used drugs. Notice here: alcohol was included. It's was on the news. It was all over the place. I remember a guy outdoors here who had attached a huge poster on his belly and another one at his back with the headline "Drug users cost us 300 billion(!!) per year", taken from any of our leading newspapers. An enormous sum actually, more than what the health care and school system cost at the time. He stood outside the tobaccoist and the Systembolag (the state controlled place where they sell our booze). And walked back and forth and made a fist to people now and then, if they entered. Quite an old guy. Happy days! 🤠 I don't suppose they mentioned what proportion of that cost was down to alcohol? At the moment the only people profiting from drugs are criminal cartels and politicians, border guards etc etc on the take. He mentioned it (I don't know how it works in England, but it's often only one person here who gets the task). I remember alcohol was a huge part. I must say I don't remember exactly, but alone somewhere close to 45% of the total sum perhaps. And as I said, I remember the old fart making a fist to the people who were getting their booze and their cigarettes. Yes. Tobacco was also included - and that's not something to ignore, absolutely not, with all those related diseases and shortened lives.
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Post by elystokie on May 25, 2024 19:31:24 GMT
I don't suppose they mentioned what proportion of that cost was down to alcohol? At the moment the only people profiting from drugs are criminal cartels and politicians, border guards etc etc on the take. He mentioned it (I don't know how it works in England, but it's often only one person here who gets the task). I remember alcohol was a huge part. I must say I don't remember exactly, but alone somewhere close to 45% of the total sum perhaps. And as I said, I remember the old fart making a fist to the people who were getting their booze and their cigarettes. Yes. Tobacco was also included - and that's not something to ignore, absolutely not, with all those related diseases and shortened lives. The one that does a lot of damage but is never mentioned is sugar, imagine if that was made illegal 😳 Apparently acts on the same receptors as cocaine.
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Post by musik on May 25, 2024 19:59:20 GMT
He mentioned it (I don't know how it works in England, but it's often only one person here who gets the task). I remember alcohol was a huge part. I must say I don't remember exactly, but alone somewhere close to 45% of the total sum perhaps. And as I said, I remember the old fart making a fist to the people who were getting their booze and their cigarettes. Yes. Tobacco was also included - and that's not something to ignore, absolutely not, with all those related diseases and shortened lives. The one that does a lot of damage but is never mentioned is sugar, imagine if that was made illegal 😳 Apparently acts on the same receptors as cocaine. Think of all the dental costs people have to spend for a start ... Funny, I just read about a tea legal to buy (even here) made from the coca plant leaves. It increases the oxygene uptake, they said. The cocaine component (alkaloid) was separated before, I suppose.
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Post by elystokie on May 25, 2024 20:12:53 GMT
The one that does a lot of damage but is never mentioned is sugar, imagine if that was made illegal 😳 Apparently acts on the same receptors as cocaine. Think of all the dental costs people have to spend for a start ... Funny, I just read about a tea legal to buy (even here) made from the coca plant leaves. It increases the oxygene uptake, they said. The cocaine component (alkaloid) was separated before, I suppose. The reason cannabis is scheduled in the class it's in is because it has 'no medicinal value' 😂 and because it has 'potential for abuse'. There'll be a court case soon in the UK where someone is challenging their charges in front of a jury on the basis that there is no evidence of evidence for it to be scheduled as it is, which there isn't. Good job sugar and alcohol have lots of medical uses and can't possibly be abused...
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Post by musik on May 25, 2024 20:38:58 GMT
Anything can be abused, some thing more easily than others though.
I read about a man once who drank too much water during just one day, more than 15 liters actually. His heart couldn't handle it, so he died.
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Post by elystokie on May 25, 2024 21:11:21 GMT
Anything can be abused, some thing more easily than others though. I read about a man once who drank too much water during just one day, more than 15 liters actually. His heart couldn't handle it, so he died. Exactly. The vast majority of people that use drugs don't have any issues leading normal lives, just like the vast majority of people that use alcohol. It's the illegality that causes most of the problems, a fact being proven by countries that have chosen an approach that actually works.
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Post by elystokie on May 27, 2024 6:46:49 GMT
Police in USA realising they were wasting their time all along - cannabislaw.report/two-police-organizations-back-bill-to-end-federal-marijuana-prohibition-in-legal-states-and-allow-interstate-commerce/"Rep. Dave Joyce (R-OH), the prime sponsor of the STATES 2.0 Act, thanked the law enforcement associations, stating that, as a former prosecutor, “I know firsthand that our law enforcement officers are already stretched thin–forcing these public servants to walk a discrepant line between state and federal policy not only defies state’s rights but is an inefficient use of precious law enforcement resources.” “Most importantly, it does nothing to enhance public safety and, in many cases, works against it,” he said. “The STATES 2.0 Act would address this confusing discrepancy and empower law enforcement in their efforts to enforce cannabis law and address the unique needs of the communities they represent.” "an inefficient use of precious law enforcement resources.” Absolutely, completely and utterly true, obviously.
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Post by iancransonsknees on May 27, 2024 19:45:46 GMT
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Post by elystokie on May 28, 2024 3:35:46 GMT
Yup, it can cause paranoia. We have prohibition to largely thank for that 🙂 On another note, I had a mate in the RN, sober he was the nicest guy in the world, after about 4 pints it seemed he wanted to fight everybody in it 😉
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Post by musik on May 28, 2024 11:38:10 GMT
On another note, I had a mate in the RN, sober he was the nicest guy in the world, after about 4 pints it seemed he wanted to fight everybody in it 😉 That's me you're describing. It took them 50 years to realise why: I have no enzymes to break down anything, including alcohol, drugs of all kind, medicine of all kind(!), water melons, gluten, dried grass, dust, pollution, I have sun allergy, cold allergy ... I am like a walking spirit in a materialistic world.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 28, 2024 11:41:56 GMT
Yup, it can cause paranoia. We have prohibition to largely thank for that 🙂 On another note, I had a mate in the RN, sober he was the nicest guy in the world, after about 4 pints it seemed he wanted to fight everybody in it 😉 Paranoia is part of the fun if yoos ask me 😆
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Post by elystokie on May 28, 2024 11:49:23 GMT
On another note, I had a mate in the RN, sober he was the nicest guy in the world, after about 4 pints it seemed he wanted to fight everybody in it 😉 That's me you're describing. It took them 50 years to realise why: I have no enzymes to break down anything, including alcohol, drugs of all kind, medicine of all kind(!), water melons, gluten, dried grass, dust, pollution, I have sun allergy, cold allergy ... I am like a walking spirit in a materialistic world. A good half of all the mither I was in was down to him 😂 After 8 pints he usually fell asleep, no matter where we were with his pint/bottle usually still upright in his hand 😄 Sounds like you need cannabis, you appear to have an endocannabinoid deficiency. Are hemp capsules legal in Sweden?
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Post by elystokie on May 28, 2024 12:13:36 GMT
Yup, it can cause paranoia. We have prohibition to largely thank for that 🙂 On another note, I had a mate in the RN, sober he was the nicest guy in the world, after about 4 pints it seemed he wanted to fight everybody in it 😉 Paranoia is part of the fun if yoos ask me 😆 Haha doesn't unduly bother me either tbh. I can see how it could trouble people less used to the experience though, the key is to remember that the only thing that's changed in the last 5 or 10 minutes is you've had some weed, everything else is the same as it ever was 😄 And maybe have some CBD on standby just in case 🙂
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 28, 2024 12:48:36 GMT
Paranoia is part of the fun if yoos ask me 😆 Haha doesn't unduly bother me either tbh. I can see how it could trouble people less used to the experience though, the key is to remember that the only thing that's changed in the last 5 or 10 minutes is you've had some weed, everything else is the same as it ever was 😄 And maybe have some CBD on standby just in case 🙂 Don't do it so much these days. But back in me yoof a pal of mine and me used to enjoy a few spliffs and then get a taxi to the roughest boozers we could think of to go and have a few scoops and ride the paranoia train. Needless to say we had some right laughs and to be fair never found ourselves in any bother at all.
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Post by elystokie on May 28, 2024 16:19:54 GMT
Haha doesn't unduly bother me either tbh. I can see how it could trouble people less used to the experience though, the key is to remember that the only thing that's changed in the last 5 or 10 minutes is you've had some weed, everything else is the same as it ever was 😄 And maybe have some CBD on standby just in case 🙂 Don't do it so much these days. But back in me yoof a pal of mine and me used to enjoy a few spliffs and then get a taxi to the roughest boozers we could think of to go and have a few scoops and ride the paranoia train. Needless to say we had some right laughs and to be fair never found ourselves in any bother at all. 'Grass before beer you're in the clear, beer before grass you're on your ass' 😄
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 28, 2024 16:23:33 GMT
Don't do it so much these days. But back in me yoof a pal of mine and me used to enjoy a few spliffs and then get a taxi to the roughest boozers we could think of to go and have a few scoops and ride the paranoia train. Needless to say we had some right laughs and to be fair never found ourselves in any bother at all. 'Grass before beer you're in the clear, beer before grass you're on your ass' 😄 How true. Made the mistake of accepting a toke when out on the beer a few times. Can be quite the roller coaster ride 😆 I've always managed to stay the right side of a whitey though 😆
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Post by elystokie on May 28, 2024 16:56:03 GMT
'Grass before beer you're in the clear, beer before grass you're on your ass' 😄 How true. Made the mistake of accepting a toke when out on the beer a few times. Can be quite the roller coaster ride 😆 I've always managed to stay the right side of a whitey though 😆 Years ago, before laptops were a thing, I remember one evening I had to try and time my puking in between hands in an online poker tournament 😂 Lesson learned 😉 Took me many attempts before I learned that lesson with booze 😄
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