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Post by emretezzy on Aug 15, 2024 8:40:03 GMT
Thompson is the only DM we have. I have written Pearson off completely. Bosun might be, but he seems to travel with the ball well. Sidibe seems to be able do a lot. Potentially could be a 6. As it stands unless Bosun plays there. Thompson will start every game. Burger, Laurent, Baker all 8s I’m sure in your mind that might all be correct. Hes signing the Japenese fella to play 6. If everyone is fit. I'll have a match bet of your choice (Ruddles or another cheap Spoons beer) Burger won't play 1 minute as a DM. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 15, 2024 8:49:42 GMT
I’m sure in your mind that might all be correct. Hes signing the Japenese fella to play 6. If everyone is fit. I'll have a match bet of your choice (Ruddles or another cheap Spoons beer) Burger won't play 1 minute as a DM. And Junho won’t play inside. You’re fucking deluded, you actually think you’re the HC or something. Weird🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by emretezzy on Aug 15, 2024 8:56:41 GMT
Hes signing the Japenese fella to play 6. If everyone is fit. I'll have a match bet of your choice (Ruddles or another cheap Spoons beer) Burger won't play 1 minute as a DM. And Junho won’t play inside. You’re fucking deluded, you actually think you’re the HC or something. Weird🤣🤣🤣 You need lay of the cheap pints. |
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Post by gingerninja on Aug 15, 2024 8:58:17 GMT
So is the Japanese player a goer Emre?🤔
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Post by st3mark on Aug 15, 2024 9:47:36 GMT
If it was that easy, they'd all do it. It really is. A coach can either leave the role upto the player to interpret or set their expectations clearly. What you can’t do is hope to benefit from a players extra ability to influence the game more in an attacking sense then complain when the defensive side has the odd set back. All the players named can do what Thommo does and better if that’s what they’re instructed to do. I just don’t get this having to let a player do what they want. If you want Joe Allen to sit you instruct him to sit, it’s really simple the player has shown he can and will do so on numerous occasions. I’ve used Joe Allen because posters might not have seen the likes of Burger and Laurent do it elsewhere but probably will have seen Allen do it for Wales. The managers simply didn’t have to allow him to go charging around all over the pitch to little effect. It really isn't. You can instruct players to do any kind of midfield role you want - it doesn't mean they can do it. When Neil played Baker 10 yards further back and asked him to do roles requiring him to run more he couldn't do it and the fans hated him. When MON and SS used him properly in a role that he can do the fans see the best of him. If you tell Thompson he's an advanced playmaker on Saturday he won't be able to do it, but he can do the ball winning midfielder role and the defensive mid role to a very good standard. Box to box I think he starts to make more errors but he can maybe do it at a stretch. Each midfielder has roles they can do well and roles that they can't. Burger is the best all rounder who looks comfortable in most roles. But only Thompson and Pearson (not last seasons version of him) specialise in the more disciplined roles. |
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Post by vestanpance on Aug 15, 2024 9:56:59 GMT
It really is. A coach can either leave the role upto the player to interpret or set their expectations clearly. What you can’t do is hope to benefit from a players extra ability to influence the game more in an attacking sense then complain when the defensive side has the odd set back. All the players named can do what Thommo does and better if that’s what they’re instructed to do. I just don’t get this having to let a player do what they want. If you want Joe Allen to sit you instruct him to sit, it’s really simple the player has shown he can and will do so on numerous occasions. I’ve used Joe Allen because posters might not have seen the likes of Burger and Laurent do it elsewhere but probably will have seen Allen do it for Wales. The managers simply didn’t have to allow him to go charging around all over the pitch to little effect. It really isn't. You can instruct players to do any kind of midfield role you want - it doesn't mean they can do it. When Neil played Baker 10 yards further back and asked him to do roles requiring him to run more he couldn't do it and the fans hated him. When MON and SS used him properly in a role that he can do the fans see the best of him. If you tell Thompson he's an advanced playmaker on Saturday he won't be able to do it, but he can do the ball winning midfielder role and the defensive mid role to a very good standard. Box to box I think he starts to make more errors but he can maybe do it at a stretch. Each midfielder has roles they can do well and roles that they can't. Burger is the best all rounder who looks comfortable in most roles. But only Thompson and Pearson (not last seasons version of him) specialise in the more disciplined roles. Agree with this. Problem is we have bought a plethora of jobbing midfielders, either by design or default. Only Thompson & Pearson are specialised DM's, and the latter is a liability, seemingly incapable of not getting booked in the first 15 minutes, leaving him on a tightrope. In terms of an advanced CAM, only Jun-Ho i would argue in this squad could play there, Baker and Laurent are too leggy, Sidibe is finding his way and Burger likes to be involved too much and lacks the discipline The new boy is to be confirmed. It's a falsehood to think any Central Midfielder can play any role. Makalele, Kante, Zidane, Lampard, Rice and a hundred others prove there are specialisms in the role |
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Post by emretezzy on Aug 15, 2024 10:02:44 GMT
So is the Japanese player a goer Emre?🤔 No idea pal. Looks like its happening. Too random a link for there not be nothing in it. And contrary to what pigbun says we need another 6. |
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Post by emretezzy on Aug 15, 2024 10:04:51 GMT
It really is. A coach can either leave the role upto the player to interpret or set their expectations clearly. What you can’t do is hope to benefit from a players extra ability to influence the game more in an attacking sense then complain when the defensive side has the odd set back. All the players named can do what Thommo does and better if that’s what they’re instructed to do. I just don’t get this having to let a player do what they want. If you want Joe Allen to sit you instruct him to sit, it’s really simple the player has shown he can and will do so on numerous occasions. I’ve used Joe Allen because posters might not have seen the likes of Burger and Laurent do it elsewhere but probably will have seen Allen do it for Wales. The managers simply didn’t have to allow him to go charging around all over the pitch to little effect. It really isn't. You can instruct players to do any kind of midfield role you want - it doesn't mean they can do it. When Neil played Baker 10 yards further back and asked him to do roles requiring him to run more he couldn't do it and the fans hated him. When MON and SS used him properly in a role that he can do the fans see the best of him. If you tell Thompson he's an advanced playmaker on Saturday he won't be able to do it, but he can do the ball winning midfielder role and the defensive mid role to a very good standard. Box to box I think he starts to make more errors but he can maybe do it at a stretch. Each midfielder has roles they can do well and roles that they can't. Burger is the best all rounder who looks comfortable in most roles. But only Thompson and Pearson (not last seasons version of him) specialise in the more disciplined roles. 6 is the hardest (and easiest) position in the world. Guardiola said Busquets was the best passer of the ball over 6 yards in the world. People laughed but it's true. Playing to people's right side, holding position. Smelling danger. Playing in-front of people. Linking play. Using body shape to make half a yard. It's easy to stand there, extremely difficult to do well. Only Thompson in our squad gets the role in a fashion. |
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 15, 2024 10:07:07 GMT
Thompson is a squad player. Financially he’s cheap, neat and tidy on the pitch but literally has no affect on matches. Well that’s one opinion. If anybody thinks Thompson's contribution had no affect in the result against Coventry then they should probably find another sport. We should not get carried away on Saturday, we scored out of nowhere at a time Coventry were well on top. Why? Because they squeezed us second half and our midfield crumbled, Thompson couldn't get no the ball and dictate play. He is a useful squad player but not good enough defensively or creatively to be the starting pivot in a team with ambition. Pearson is better at every facet of the role and both have the same yellow card fetish |
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Post by emretezzy on Aug 15, 2024 10:28:25 GMT
If anybody thinks Thompson's contribution had no affect in the result against Coventry then they should probably find another sport. We should not get carried away on Saturday, we scored out of nowhere at a time Coventry were well on top. Why? Because they squeezed us second half and our midfield crumbled, Thompson couldn't get no the ball and dictate play. He is a useful squad player but not good enough defensively or creatively to be the starting pivot in a team with ambition. Pearson is better at every facet of the role and both have the same yellow card fetish Hes 6/7 out of 10. Both defensively and linking play. He holds position better than all current options. If we could get an 8 out of 10 in passing and defensively play, Thompson can rightly take his position as an extremely useful squad player. |
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Post by st3mark on Aug 15, 2024 10:31:21 GMT
If anybody thinks Thompson's contribution had no affect in the result against Coventry then they should probably find another sport. We should not get carried away on Saturday, we scored out of nowhere at a time Coventry were well on top. Why? Because they squeezed us second half and our midfield crumbled, Thompson couldn't get no the ball and dictate play. He is a useful squad player but not good enough defensively or creatively to be the starting pivot in a team with ambition. Pearson is better at every facet of the role and both have the same yellow card fetish Thompson's job isn't to dictate play. His job when in possession is to play a simple pass to someone who can dictate the play. Second half Cov had all the possession for most of the half, Thompson doing the side of his job without the ball, combined with Gibson and Wilmot having good games meant it limited Cov to 1 shot on target in 90mins. And to be fair to the rest of the midfield I wouldn't say any of them crumbled if we're only letting them have one attempt on target. People think the game was won with Bakers goal, but the game was won by Thompson, Gibson and Wilmot keeping us in a position where we could still win the game with one extra chance. Beautiful team performance by the lads. |
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Post by J-Roar on Aug 15, 2024 10:37:23 GMT
If anybody thinks Thompson's contribution had no affect in the result against Coventry then they should probably find another sport. We should not get carried away on Saturday, we scored out of nowhere at a time Coventry were well on top. Why? Because they squeezed us second half and our midfield crumbled, Thompson couldn't get no the ball and dictate play. He is a useful squad player but not good enough defensively or creatively to be the starting pivot in a team with ambition. Pearson is better at every facet of the role and both have the same yellow card fetish I'd say Thompson is better at knowing when to take a yellow for the team than Captain Caveman |
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Post by onepara on Aug 15, 2024 11:08:45 GMT
Thompson is in the same category as Whelan, in that he isn't rated until he's gone. He does more than some people on here give him credit for. He cleans up after others make a mess. Watch his movement. As someone said, smelling danger & snuffing it out. He is every bit more effective than Burger, who chases all over the place.
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Post by lordb on Aug 15, 2024 11:11:38 GMT
We should not get carried away on Saturday, we scored out of nowhere at a time Coventry were well on top. Why? Because they squeezed us second half and our midfield crumbled, Thompson couldn't get no the ball and dictate play. He is a useful squad player but not good enough defensively or creatively to be the starting pivot in a team with ambition. Pearson is better at every facet of the role and both have the same yellow card fetish I'd say Thompson is better at knowing when to take a yellow for the team than Captain Caveman Agreed However his yellow last Saturday was stupid which coming off his stupid red the week before made it even more stupid |
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Post by mcw on Aug 15, 2024 11:19:18 GMT
I'd say Thompson is better at knowing when to take a yellow for the team than Captain Caveman Agreed However his yellow last Saturday was stupid which coming off his stupid red the week before made it even more stupid As he and Pearson are the only recognized defensive midfielders maybe Pearson is trying to mould Thompson in his own image and one of the KPIs is getting at least 4 yellow cards and a red every 10/12 games  |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 15, 2024 11:50:35 GMT
It really is. A coach can either leave the role upto the player to interpret or set their expectations clearly. What you can’t do is hope to benefit from a players extra ability to influence the game more in an attacking sense then complain when the defensive side has the odd set back. All the players named can do what Thommo does and better if that’s what they’re instructed to do. I just don’t get this having to let a player do what they want. If you want Joe Allen to sit you instruct him to sit, it’s really simple the player has shown he can and will do so on numerous occasions. I’ve used Joe Allen because posters might not have seen the likes of Burger and Laurent do it elsewhere but probably will have seen Allen do it for Wales. The managers simply didn’t have to allow him to go charging around all over the pitch to little effect. It really isn't. You can instruct players to do any kind of midfield role you want - it doesn't mean they can do it. When Neil played Baker 10 yards further back and asked him to do roles requiring him to run more he couldn't do it and the fans hated him. When MON and SS used him properly in a role that he can do the fans see the best of him. If you tell Thompson he's an advanced playmaker on Saturday he won't be able to do it, but he can do the ball winning midfielder role and the defensive mid role to a very good standard. Box to box I think he starts to make more errors but he can maybe do it at a stretch. Each midfielder has roles they can do well and roles that they can't. Burger is the best all rounder who looks comfortable in most roles. But only Thompson and Pearson (not last seasons version of him) specialise in the more disciplined roles. Burger has played all but a very small proportion of his career games at DM and hardly ever as an AM where he was on Saturday. He doesn’t look comfortable or good there. Continuing with this crazy experiment will devalue one of our highest value playing assets. No problem with using him as a box to box midfielder from a deep starting position as he does all his best work in the first two thirds of the pitch. |
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Post by collo68 on Aug 15, 2024 12:06:57 GMT
Thompson is in the same category as Whelan, in that he isn't rated until he's gone. He does more than some people on here give him credit for. He cleans up after others make a mess. Watch his movement. As someone said, smelling danger & snuffing it out. He is every bit more effective than Burger, who chases all over the place. The results when Thompson plays are considerably better than when he doesn’t |
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Post by J-Roar on Aug 15, 2024 12:08:40 GMT
Thompson is in the same category as Whelan, in that he isn't rated until he's gone. He does more than some people on here give him credit for. He cleans up after others make a mess. Watch his movement. As someone said, smelling danger & snuffing it out. He is every bit more effective than Burger, who chases all over the place. The results when Thompson plays are considerably better than when he doesn’t Don't bring facts into it. The kangaroo courtiers won't have it. |
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Post by st3mark on Aug 15, 2024 12:14:52 GMT
It really isn't. You can instruct players to do any kind of midfield role you want - it doesn't mean they can do it. When Neil played Baker 10 yards further back and asked him to do roles requiring him to run more he couldn't do it and the fans hated him. When MON and SS used him properly in a role that he can do the fans see the best of him. If you tell Thompson he's an advanced playmaker on Saturday he won't be able to do it, but he can do the ball winning midfielder role and the defensive mid role to a very good standard. Box to box I think he starts to make more errors but he can maybe do it at a stretch. Each midfielder has roles they can do well and roles that they can't. Burger is the best all rounder who looks comfortable in most roles. But only Thompson and Pearson (not last seasons version of him) specialise in the more disciplined roles. Burger has played all but a very small proportion of his career games at DM and hardly ever as an AM where he was on Saturday. He doesn’t look comfortable or good there. Continuing with this crazy experiment will devalue one of our highest value playing assets. No problem with using him as a box to box midfielder from a deep starting position as he does all his best work in the first two thirds of the pitch. Not sure how that links to the conversation we were having. Nobody is calling for Burger to change roles. |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 15, 2024 12:18:56 GMT
Burger has played all but a very small proportion of his career games at DM and hardly ever as an AM where he was on Saturday. He doesn’t look comfortable or good there. Continuing with this crazy experiment will devalue one of our highest value playing assets. No problem with using him as a box to box midfielder from a deep starting position as he does all his best work in the first two thirds of the pitch. Not sure how that links to the conversation we were having. Nobody is calling for Burger to change roles. Change from what. He was played at the tip of a 2:1 midfield on Saturday. He is not nor never has been an AM it’s completely bonkers. |
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Post by J-Roar on Aug 15, 2024 12:22:08 GMT
Burger has played all but a very small proportion of his career games at DM and hardly ever as an AM where he was on Saturday. He doesn’t look comfortable or good there. Continuing with this crazy experiment will devalue one of our highest value playing assets. No problem with using him as a box to box midfielder from a deep starting position as he does all his best work in the first two thirds of the pitch. Not sure how that links to the conversation we were having. Nobody is calling for Burger to change roles. Different roll for Burger? He'd relish it. |
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Post by st3mark on Aug 15, 2024 12:29:23 GMT
Not sure how that links to the conversation we were having. Nobody is calling for Burger to change roles. Change from what. He was played at the tip of a 2:1 midfield on Saturday. He is not nor never has been an AM it’s completely bonkers. We were having a discussion about Jordan Thompson. I felt his role was specialised, disciplined and not easy. You felt his role was easy and that anyone could do it. Regarding Burger though, he's our most complete midfielder. He's probably the only one the the squad the manager could ask to play in the 6, the 8 or the 4 in a variety of systems on any given day and get a solid performance out of him. Lucky to have him. |
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Post by st3mark on Aug 15, 2024 12:30:05 GMT
Not sure how that links to the conversation we were having. Nobody is calling for Burger to change roles. Different roll for Burger? He'd relish it. You have a Burger on a bun not a roll |
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Post by moon on Aug 15, 2024 12:30:23 GMT
Thompson is in the same category as Whelan, in that he isn't rated until he's gone. He does more than some people on here give him credit for. He cleans up after others make a mess. Watch his movement. As someone said, smelling danger & snuffing it out. He is every bit more effective than Burger, who chases all over the place. Thompson is fine as a squad player, he had a decent attitude and can cover a few positions, I'm not convinced he is good enough to be starting every week in the Championship though if we have our sights set on the top half.
He's not in the same class as Whelan for me though when it comes to his quality, Whelan was a very good defensive midfielder and he was rightly one of the first names on the teamsheet for many years, playing 30+ games a season in the Premier League for 9 years!
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Post by st3mark on Aug 15, 2024 12:34:30 GMT
Thompson is in the same category as Whelan, in that he isn't rated until he's gone. He does more than some people on here give him credit for. He cleans up after others make a mess. Watch his movement. As someone said, smelling danger & snuffing it out. He is every bit more effective than Burger, who chases all over the place. Thompson is fine as a squad player, he had a decent attitude and can cover a few positions, I'm not convinced he is good enough to be starting every week in the Championship though if we have our sights set on the top half.
He's not in the same class as Whelan for me though when it comes to his quality, Whelan was a very good defensive midfielder and he was rightly one of the first names on the teamsheet for many years, playing 30+ games a season in the Premier League for 9 years!
Is it 4 or 5 we've won on the bounce with him starting now I can't remember? 😉 |
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Post by emretezzy on Aug 15, 2024 12:36:25 GMT
It really isn't. You can instruct players to do any kind of midfield role you want - it doesn't mean they can do it. When Neil played Baker 10 yards further back and asked him to do roles requiring him to run more he couldn't do it and the fans hated him. When MON and SS used him properly in a role that he can do the fans see the best of him. If you tell Thompson he's an advanced playmaker on Saturday he won't be able to do it, but he can do the ball winning midfielder role and the defensive mid role to a very good standard. Box to box I think he starts to make more errors but he can maybe do it at a stretch. Each midfielder has roles they can do well and roles that they can't. Burger is the best all rounder who looks comfortable in most roles. But only Thompson and Pearson (not last seasons version of him) specialise in the more disciplined roles. Burger has played all but a very small proportion of his career games at DM and hardly ever as an AM where he was on Saturday. He doesn’t look comfortable or good there. Continuing with this crazy experiment will devalue one of our highest value playing assets. No problem with using him as a box to box midfielder from a deep starting position as he does all his best work in the first two thirds of the pitch. He wasnt an attacking Mid. He played as an 8 off the left. As he does every week. Come on BB open them fucking crusty eyes. |
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Post by emretezzy on Aug 15, 2024 12:38:26 GMT
We should not get carried away on Saturday, we scored out of nowhere at a time Coventry were well on top. Why? Because they squeezed us second half and our midfield crumbled, Thompson couldn't get no the ball and dictate play. He is a useful squad player but not good enough defensively or creatively to be the starting pivot in a team with ambition. Pearson is better at every facet of the role and both have the same yellow card fetish Thompson's job isn't to dictate play. His job when in possession is to play a simple pass to someone who can dictate the play. Second half Cov had all the possession for most of the half, Thompson doing the side of his job without the ball, combined with Gibson and Wilmot having good games meant it limited Cov to 1 shot on target in 90mins. And to be fair to the rest of the midfield I wouldn't say any of them crumbled if we're only letting them have one attempt on target. People think the game was won with Bakers goal, but the game was won by Thompson, Gibson and Wilmot keeping us in a position where we could still win the game with one extra chance. Beautiful team performance by the lads. Spot on mate. Word for word on the money. Won't make a blind bit of difference on here mind. |
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Post by chayseeoatcake on Aug 15, 2024 12:44:45 GMT
We should not get carried away on Saturday, we scored out of nowhere at a time Coventry were well on top. Why? Because they squeezed us second half and our midfield crumbled, Thompson couldn't get no the ball and dictate play. He is a useful squad player but not good enough defensively or creatively to be the starting pivot in a team with ambition. Pearson is better at every facet of the role and both have the same yellow card fetish Thompson's job isn't to dictate play. His job when in possession is to play a simple pass to someone who can dictate the play. Second half Cov had all the possession for most of the half, Thompson doing the side of his job without the ball, combined with Gibson and Wilmot having good games meant it limited Cov to 1 shot on target in 90mins. And to be fair to the rest of the midfield I wouldn't say any of them crumbled if we're only letting them have one attempt on target. People think the game was won with Bakers goal, but the game was won by Thompson, Gibson and Wilmot keeping us in a position where we could still win the game with one extra chance. Beautiful team performance by the lads. If that’s all you expect from the player in that position every other midfielder on the books can do that in their sleep and more. Agree it was a good team performance. |
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Post by st3mark on Aug 15, 2024 12:51:16 GMT
Thompson's job isn't to dictate play. His job when in possession is to play a simple pass to someone who can dictate the play. Second half Cov had all the possession for most of the half, Thompson doing the side of his job without the ball, combined with Gibson and Wilmot having good games meant it limited Cov to 1 shot on target in 90mins. And to be fair to the rest of the midfield I wouldn't say any of them crumbled if we're only letting them have one attempt on target. People think the game was won with Bakers goal, but the game was won by Thompson, Gibson and Wilmot keeping us in a position where we could still win the game with one extra chance. Beautiful team performance by the lads. If that’s all you expect from the player in that position every other midfielder on the books can do that in their sleep and more. Agree it was a good team performance. No they can't. That's the whole point. If you asked Baker to do it his natural instinct would draw him out of position. He hasn't got the discipline to do it for half an hour. Laurent can't do it, when he does it for any period we lose games consistently because again although he is more disciplined than Baker he still can't do it week in week out. |
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Post by chad on Aug 15, 2024 12:56:56 GMT
I’m not a Thompson fan. In fact I used to moan my bag off when he was in the team. However the back end of last season and so far this the guy has been outstanding and is quite rightly keeping his place on the team.
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