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Post by willieeetmiout on Apr 29, 2023 23:20:04 GMT
Assuming those players who's contracts expire don't sign new ones, removing the loan players and not including at this stage any players u21 our current squad for next season is:
Blondy Nna Noukeu
Ben Wilmot
Connor Taylor
Lewis Macari
Gabriel Adebambo
Josh Tymon
Tom Edwards
Lewis Baker
Josh Laurent
Jordan Thompson
DMargio Wright-Phillips
Jacob Brown
Tyrese Campbell
Dwight Gayle
Blondy, Edwards, Macari and Adebambo aren't going to get near the first team. Nor is DWP after 7 sub apps in League 2.
That's leaves 9 senior players going into the summer.
Wilmot - up in the air with his injury
Tymon - not good enough
Thompson - not good enough
Baker - clear issue between him and AN
Gayle - past it.
That's leaves Taylor, Laurent, Brown and Campbell as squad options. None hopefully guaranteed starters.
So just the 11 first team players to sign this summer.
And we think that AN should do that after his winter transfer window?
*White Flag*
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 30, 2023 8:13:12 GMT
Assuming those players who's contracts expire don't sign new ones, removing the loan players and not including at this stage any players u21 our current squad for next season is: Blondy Nna Noukeu Ben Wilmot Connor Taylor Lewis Macari Gabriel Adebambo Josh Tymon Tom Edwards Lewis Baker Josh Laurent Jordan Thompson DMargio Wright-Phillips Jacob Brown Tyrese Campbell Dwight Gayle Blondy, Edwards, Macari and Adebambo aren't going to get near the first team. Nor is DWP after 7 sub apps in League 2. That's leaves 9 senior players going into the summer. Wilmot - up in the air with his injury Tymon - not good enough Thompson - not good enough Baker - clear issue between him and AN Gayle - past it. That's leaves Taylor, Laurent, Brown and Campbell as squad options. None hopefully guaranteed starters. So just the 11 first team players to sign this summer. And we think that AN should do that after his winter transfer window? *White Flag* Agree right now we hsve to be a very decent shout to go down . |
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 30, 2023 8:15:42 GMT
Shocking way to run a football club. They couldn't run a bath.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 30, 2023 8:24:30 GMT
We've got to look at it as an opportunity.
We'd have killed for this state of affairs in 2020 or 2021.
Gayle is the only real problem, and as he enters his last year, he's not immovable.
Granted, we've only really got Wilmot, Laurent, Campbell and Brown as arguable positives.
But we haven't really got any dead weight. Compared to the crap we've had to wade through in the squad ever since Rowett's Supermarket Sweep, when Edwards and Baker are the 'expensive' chaff in the squad, we've got to take it as a positive.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 30, 2023 8:29:48 GMT
It's a good thing, the manager can make this squad truly his own which hasn't been the case in recent years.
It'll show if he's a good manager or not at this level and will have no excuses whatsoever this time next year if it all fails.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 30, 2023 8:31:02 GMT
It's a good thing, the manager can make this squad truly his own which hasn't been the case in recent years. It'll show if he's a good manager or not at this level and will have no excuses whatsoever this time next year if it all fails. Do we want that to happen? He thinks Smallbone is good. Its very worrying |
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Post by willieeetmiout on Apr 30, 2023 8:32:33 GMT
We've got to look at it as an opportunity. We'd have killed for this state of affairs in 2020 or 2021. Gayle is the only real problem, and as he enters his last year, he's not immovable. Granted, we've only really got Wilmot, Laurent, Campbell and Brown as arguable positives. But we haven't really got any dead weight. Compared to the crap we've had to wade through in the squad ever since Rowett's Supermarket Sweep, when Edwards and Baker are the 'expensive' chaff in the squad, we've got to take it as a positive. I reckon in the history of football no club has signed 15-20 largely 1st team players in the summer transfer window. Not sure about an opportunity. It's an absolute recipe for disaster that's for sure |
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 30, 2023 8:37:22 GMT
We've got to look at it as an opportunity. We'd have killed for this state of affairs in 2020 or 2021. Gayle is the only real problem, and as he enters his last year, he's not immovable. Granted, we've only really got Wilmot, Laurent, Campbell and Brown as arguable positives. But we haven't really got any dead weight. Compared to the crap we've had to wade through in the squad ever since Rowett's Supermarket Sweep, when Edwards and Baker are the 'expensive' chaff in the squad, we've got to take it as a positive. I'm sorry but I can't as much as I try. We've realistically got to bring in around 15 players, based on that list at the top, to just stand still. Even in a post COVID market that's a lot of churn and it will push any budget, and that's before you look at characters and how the hell we are going to gel it together within a 6 week period. If Neil can do that and have us fighting it out at the top then he's manager of the year hands down. More realistically, we'll be not far from where we are now with potentially a manager under as much pressure as Rowett was back in 2018, with a hotch potch squad struggling for consistency. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 30, 2023 8:38:06 GMT
It's a good thing, the manager can make this squad truly his own which hasn't been the case in recent years. It'll show if he's a good manager or not at this level and will have no excuses whatsoever this time next year if it all fails. Do we want that to happen? He thinks Smallbone is good. Its very worrying Well they're not going to sack him and we can't keep changing manager because that doesn't work either. He's not my cup of tea but we have to hope if he gets in his own squad he can make those performances we saw in February more of a regular occurrence. |
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Post by Gods on Apr 30, 2023 8:38:44 GMT
I can see the squad building going right down to the wire on 1st Sept.
It won't be easy to sell the club as promotion prospects will it given our low finish this season and some of the great football institutions who may come down from the Prem.
And would want to work for AN? He's a puffed up, punchy bugger with a sense of humour transplant. I wouldn't.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 30, 2023 8:41:12 GMT
Do we want that to happen? He thinks Smallbone is good. Its very worrying Well they're not going to sack him and we can't keep changing manager because that doesn't work either. He's not my cup of tea but we have to hope if he gets in his own squad he can make those performances we saw in February more of a regular occurrence. They aren’t but they probably should with everything taken into account. I worry he’ll ruin now and the future. The board need to hire a director of football with proper values asap. |
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Post by march4 on Apr 30, 2023 8:47:36 GMT
We are perhaps accidentally in a stronger position than suggested by the OP.
We can reset the entire squad after a disastrous few years.
And we have more money to spend than almost every other club in the division plus a manager who knows our requirements because he has successfully managed at this level for years.
Big summer ahead. We have to get it right and not repeat the cycle for the past.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 30, 2023 8:48:39 GMT
Ask me again when we've secured our first couple of signings.
That will give me a pretty solid guide as to whether we've learned from previous mistakes and whether this is indeed the start of a new era.........
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Post by sealion100 on Apr 30, 2023 8:57:09 GMT
Having just watched His post match interview...
Gotta say I’m more optimistic than I was after yesterday
At least he knows the deficiencies in the squad
I’m expecting ,two keepers , two central defenders
.... two centre mids and two strikers one of which will be
a target man
Hopefully all before Pre -season!!!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 30, 2023 8:59:59 GMT
I think we have to look at Neil’s signings before writing him off
Pearson - Made a huge difference when it mattered
Hoever - Scored some key goals when we needed him too
Celina - Total dud
Axel - Clearly top notch but failed due to injury issues
Sakic - Made a huge difference till a freak injury
I’d say that’s a solid 7/10
A lot of the problems are ones generated by previous managers.
In relation to the loanees he let go Delap etc none of them appear to have become world beaters.
It’s a huge summer and I’ve got faith that if he’s given the tools he can turn it around.
Only worry for me is his inhability to change things when they’re not working though again that may be down to the lack of quality at his disposal.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 30, 2023 9:00:30 GMT
Assuming those players who's contracts expire don't sign new ones, removing the loan players and not including at this stage any players u21 our current squad for next season is: Blondy Nna Noukeu Ben Wilmot Connor Taylor Lewis Macari Gabriel Adebambo Josh Tymon Tom Edwards Lewis Baker Josh Laurent Jordan Thompson DMargio Wright-Phillips Jacob Brown Tyrese Campbell Dwight Gayle Blondy, Edwards, Macari and Adebambo aren't going to get near the first team. Nor is DWP after 7 sub apps in League 2. That's leaves 9 senior players going into the summer. Wilmot - up in the air with his injury Tymon - not good enough Thompson - not good enough Baker - clear issue between him and AN Gayle - past it. That's leaves Taylor, Laurent, Brown and Campbell as squad options. None hopefully guaranteed starters. So just the 11 first team players to sign this summer. And we think that AN should do that after his winter transfer window? *White Flag* Tezgal? |
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Post by wakeypotter on Apr 30, 2023 9:30:14 GMT
We've got to look at it as an opportunity. We'd have killed for this state of affairs in 2020 or 2021. Gayle is the only real problem, and as he enters his last year, he's not immovable. Granted, we've only really got Wilmot, Laurent, Campbell and Brown as arguable positives. But we haven't really got any dead weight. Compared to the crap we've had to wade through in the squad ever since Rowett's Supermarket Sweep, when Edwards and Baker are the 'expensive' chaff in the squad, we've got to take it as a positive. I reckon in the history of football no club has signed 15-20 largely 1st team players in the summer transfer window. Not sure about an opportunity. It's an absolute recipe for disaster that's for sure I’m sure Sunderland did under Bruce. Don’t think it ended well though |
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Post by clarkeda on Apr 30, 2023 9:37:03 GMT
I reckon in the history of football no club has signed 15-20 largely 1st team players in the summer transfer window. Not sure about an opportunity. It's an absolute recipe for disaster that's for sure I’m sure Sunderland did under Bruce. Don’t think it ended well though I think that was Hull wasn’t it? When they got promoted to the prem with about 3 contracted players. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Apr 30, 2023 9:42:41 GMT
Well they're not going to sack him and we can't keep changing manager because that doesn't work either. He's not my cup of tea but we have to hope if he gets in his own squad he can make those performances we saw in February more of a regular occurrence. They aren’t but they probably should with everything taken into account. I worry he’ll ruin now and the future. The board need to hire a director of football with proper values asap. I was wavering a bit yesterday but on reflection I think we have to stick with him. I thought he was the right man from the of although he has massively underperformed. He knows which players are shit and who he needs to get rid of and who to keep. A new manager won’t and that would be worrying and could ruin the club. Let’s get behind him and he strikes me as a person who would want to put things right. No excuses next season though. |
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Apr 30, 2023 9:43:56 GMT
We've got to look at it as an opportunity. We'd have killed for this state of affairs in 2020 or 2021. Gayle is the only real problem, and as he enters his last year, he's not immovable. Granted, we've only really got Wilmot, Laurent, Campbell and Brown as arguable positives. But we haven't really got any dead weight. Compared to the crap we've had to wade through in the squad ever since Rowett's Supermarket Sweep, when Edwards and Baker are the 'expensive' chaff in the squad, we've got to take it as a positive. Yeah it's either an opportunity or a curse. Let's face it, there's very few players in our current squad that we'd want to keep and absolutely no one that you'd say is a must keep. So with so many wages leaving the club that gives us lots of opportunity and a lot more FFP leverage to bring better players in. So potentially it's a far better situation than the one we've had in recent years where we've had a bloated squad full of poor quality, overpaid players on expensive contracts who are impossible to get rid of due to how much they're earning and their presence at the club restricts who we can sign due to FFP. We've needed a clear out and a clean slate for years and now we have it. But with the opportunity comes a potentially catastrophic level of risk. If we don't get good quality early business done then it will get progressively more difficult to sign good players because they'll look at our squad and the difficulty we've had in recruiting so far and not want to run the risk of getting trapped in a really bad team. Then we'll start getting desperate and end up with a squad full of panic buys with no good quality back up from the existing contracted players which is usually a recipe for disaster. Overall I think I prefer the situation we're facing to the situation we've had previously. After 5 years of drab bottom half finishes with shit football and little we can do about it due to being hampered by FFP, I'm grateful for the opportunity of a fresh start with less restrictions on our transfer business. High risk, high reward sounds like a risk worth taking after the mind numbing shitness of the last few seasons. The status quo isn't an option and the amount of senior players leaving the club forces change upon us. But the risk is there and can't be ignored. Get our recruitment wrong and with no back up coming from our existing squad there is the potential for catastrophe. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 30, 2023 9:44:43 GMT
They aren’t but they probably should with everything taken into account. I worry he’ll ruin now and the future. The board need to hire a director of football with proper values asap. I was wavering a bit yesterday but on reflection I think we have to stick with him. I thought he was the right man from the of although he has massively underperformed. He knows which players are shit and who he needs to get rid of and who to keep. A new manager won’t and that would be worrying and could ruin the club. Let’s get behind him and he strikes me as a person who would want to put things right. No excuses next season though. We will definitely stick with him. But I think the better option is sacking him but it’s totally unrealistic for numerous reasons. I wouldn’t give him much money though. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Apr 30, 2023 9:44:59 GMT
I’m sure Sunderland did under Bruce. Don’t think it ended well though I think that was Hull wasn’t it? When they got promoted to the prem with about 3 contracted players. Bruce probably did it at both I’m sure it was Sunderland though maybe wrong |
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Post by datguy on Apr 30, 2023 9:48:15 GMT
Notts Forest did it this year. Cardiff did it this year.
Huge overhauls happen.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 30, 2023 9:48:16 GMT
Shocking way to run a football club. They couldn't run a bath. They could,but they would leave the plug out & waste the water plus the cost of heating the water. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Apr 30, 2023 9:49:06 GMT
I was wavering a bit yesterday but on reflection I think we have to stick with him. I thought he was the right man from the of although he has massively underperformed. He knows which players are shit and who he needs to get rid of and who to keep. A new manager won’t and that would be worrying and could ruin the club. Let’s get behind him and he strikes me as a person who would want to put things right. No excuses next season though. We will definitely stick with him. But I think the better option is sacking him but it’s totally unrealistic for numerous reasons. I wouldn’t give him much money though. Who would be your man to take the club forward? I know you want a DOF which I agree with. We certainly need to learn about throwing money at it as I do believe you can do it on a budget so yeh would agree |
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Post by wuzza on Apr 30, 2023 9:49:57 GMT
I’ve noticed AN is talking more and more long term in his interviews - fairly certain the club is running with the theory that any finish in the top half next season will be a bit of a triumph.
It’s depressing but it’s realistic.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 30, 2023 9:51:59 GMT
We will definitely stick with him. But I think the better option is sacking him but it’s totally unrealistic for numerous reasons. I wouldn’t give him much money though. Who would be your man to take the club forward? I know you want a DOF which I agree with. We certainly need to learn about throwing money at it as I do believe you can do it on a budget so yeh would agree No idea. I don’t think anything will change until the owners go so I’m not sure it matters. |
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 30, 2023 10:04:04 GMT
I’ve noticed AN is talking more and more long term in his interviews - fairly certain the club is running with the theory that any finish in the top half next season will be a bit of a triumph. It’s depressing but it’s realistic. It's actually quite funny watching these charlatans in action. He came roaring down from Sunderland in August full of beans like an 80s pornstar swinging it about in front of the camera. "Would it be this season or next when we got promotion?" he questioned. Slowly but surely that took a meander to 'this summer is going to be an exciting rebuild'. We finally landed into reality yesterday when he suddenly proclaimed that this summer is an 'opportunity' to lay down some foundations 'for the first time in a long while'. Yes Alex, we could have told you that back in August! |
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Post by pretzel on Apr 30, 2023 10:17:51 GMT
I'm as pissed off as everyone else, especially with the formation AN is choosing/having to choose and the effect this malaise is having on selling the club to prospective players not to mention it's supporters.
However, the awful situation re squad members and expiring contracts is a card he's been dealt and by or large I thought he did a good job of topping up the squad with loanees which arguably has saved us from relegation (if that run of wins in March had come in April he'd have probably been lauded as our saviour).
OK, so we sack him? who do you think the board are going to attract and replace him with? Another British manager inevitably.... another Jones or Rowett probably, which I wouldn't want to see, however brilliant people think Millwall and Luton are.
It's going to be a rocky ride this summer but I'm trying to see the big picture and not expecting a quick fix.
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Post by march4 on Apr 30, 2023 10:22:51 GMT
Ask me again when we've secured our first couple of signings. That will give me a pretty solid guide as to whether we've learned from previous mistakes and whether this is indeed the start of a new era......... Excellent point, mate. |
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