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Post by sportsman on Apr 30, 2023 5:52:44 GMT
So we have a thread about having the worst squad since Brian little and we have a thread doubting AN?
He will get it right I'm sure, he was my man from before we were even after him, nobody has really tanked us this season, we've dominated a good percentage of games, some heavily, with a defence and keeper you wouldn't see down the vale. The midfield is the only department you could say could be any good with the right players behind and I'm front of them.
Pipe down, get ya sens off on your holidays and see what the summer brings.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 30, 2023 6:13:17 GMT
Why are we so obsessed with getting rid of managers every 6 months or so. We’re getting a bad as Watford. Sacked Rowett, gets Millwall to the brink of the playoffs. Sacked Jones, goes on to get Luton firing (yes Southampton was a shit show). Our “squad” Is awful, any manager would struggle to get a tune out of them. Can’t agree. The new manager tries the same as the same old manager and then expects different results. It’s just thick. Not a one of them has played Powell as a 10. Rowett didn’t use Diouf and Bojan and spent 50/60m on shit. They are terrible managers.
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Post by potterpaul on Apr 30, 2023 6:23:29 GMT
Why are we so obsessed with getting rid of managers every 6 months or so. We’re getting a bad as Watford. Sacked Rowett, gets Millwall to the brink of the playoffs. Sacked Jones, goes on to get Luton firing (yes Southampton was a shit show). Our “squad” Is awful, any manager would struggle to get a tune out of them. Rowett is Rowett, an almost manager good for teams wanting to establish themselves in the Championship. That wasn't us when the owners had their brainfart. Luton continued firing without Jones (twice), just goes to show how good a well run club can benefit from continuity.
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Post by figo85 on Apr 30, 2023 6:31:25 GMT
Why are we so obsessed with getting rid of managers every 6 months or so. We’re getting a bad as Watford. Sacked Rowett, gets Millwall to the brink of the playoffs. Sacked Jones, goes on to get Luton firing (yes Southampton was a shit show). Our “squad” Is awful, any manager would struggle to get a tune out of them. Rowett is Rowett, an almost manager good for teams wanting to establish themselves in the Championship. That wasn't us when the owners had their brainfart. Luton continued firing without Jones (twice), just goes to show how good a well run club can benefit from continuity. Both of those teams are 6th and 3rd respectively, tell me you wouldn’t swap places with them?
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Post by figo85 on Apr 30, 2023 6:34:28 GMT
Why are we so obsessed with getting rid of managers every 6 months or so. We’re getting a bad as Watford. Sacked Rowett, gets Millwall to the brink of the playoffs. Sacked Jones, goes on to get Luton firing (yes Southampton was a shit show). Our “squad” Is awful, any manager would struggle to get a tune out of them. Can’t agree. The new manager tries the same as the same old manager and then expects different results. It’s just thick. Not a one of them has played Powell as a 10. Rowett didn’t use Diouf and Bojan and spent 50/60m on shit. They are terrible managers. Having a squad of remotely average players is going to restrict you somewhat. All I’m saying is, we need to stop the manager merry go round and stick with AN. With finances and a full pre season, to clear out any (a lot of) deadwood, then we’ll be in a stronger position.
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Post by sportsman on Apr 30, 2023 6:35:24 GMT
Why are we so obsessed with getting rid of managers every 6 months or so. We’re getting a bad as Watford. Sacked Rowett, gets Millwall to the brink of the playoffs. Sacked Jones, goes on to get Luton firing (yes Southampton was a shit show). Our “squad” Is awful, any manager would struggle to get a tune out of them. Rowett is Rowett, an almost manager good for teams wanting to establish themselves in the Championship. That wasn't us when the owners had their brainfart. Luton continued firing without Jones (twice), just goes to show how good a well run club can benefit from continuity. How can you have continuity with jones leaving twice and having different managers? They've had as much continuity as Watford.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 30, 2023 6:39:11 GMT
Can’t agree. The new manager tries the same as the same old manager and then expects different results. It’s just thick. Not a one of them has played Powell as a 10. Rowett didn’t use Diouf and Bojan and spent 50/60m on shit. They are terrible managers. Having a squad of remotely average players is going to restrict you somewhat. All I’m saying is, we need to stop the manager merry go round and stick with AN. With finances and a full pre season, to clear out any (a lot of) deadwood, then we’ll be in a stronger position. It’s not. The squad wasnt designed to play a back 3 yet the last 3 have done it. They’re just thick as fuck. AN has been as bad for it. Why anyone has any faith is beyond me , I did to start with but that’s all gone. He’s been awful.
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Post by sportsman on Apr 30, 2023 6:51:45 GMT
Having a squad of remotely average players is going to restrict you somewhat. All I’m saying is, we need to stop the manager merry go round and stick with AN. With finances and a full pre season, to clear out any (a lot of) deadwood, then we’ll be in a stronger position. It’s not. The squad was designed to play a back 3 yet the last 3 have done it. They’re just thick as fuck. AN has been as bad for it. Why anyone has any faith is beyond me , I did to start with but that’s all gone. He’s been awful. I do hope you're sticking around to be reminded of this next season
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on Apr 30, 2023 6:56:19 GMT
Why are we so obsessed with getting rid of managers every 6 months or so. We’re getting a bad as Watford. Sacked Rowett, gets Millwall to the brink of the playoffs. Sacked Jones, goes on to get Luton firing (yes Southampton was a shit show). Our “squad” Is awful, any manager would struggle to get a tune out of them. Can’t agree. The new manager tries the same as the same old manager and then expects different results. It’s just thick. Not a one of them has played Powell as a 10. Rowett didn’t use Diouf and Bojan and spent 50/60m on shit. They are terrible managers. Two points here Powell has looked fucked as a loan striker since his injury, let alone bombing about in midfield.if you think we have the luxury of a midfielder that doesn't move but looks good on the ball, then you're point answers itself. A midfield of Thompson Powell and Laurent.....you certainly would not want to be Laurent. The midfield had busses run through it until Pearson arrived.
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Post by shrewspotter on Apr 30, 2023 6:58:05 GMT
I'm getting a bit fed up of the excuses yo be honest.
Appreciate he's been here for just under a full season but the "different dynamic" answer is a poor excuse.
In Jan, we had the chance to have different plans, we had the chance to sign a target man, we could have had Wickham, we could have bought a winger or 2 in. But we didn't, we did get the DM sorted but we were never going to be able to to use a target man.
I'll give Neil until Xmas myself, he's got a huge job to sign 7 or 8 players, make them gel and be able to have plan a,b and c with them
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Post by iamstokie on Apr 30, 2023 6:58:43 GMT
It’s not. The squad was designed to play a back 3 yet the last 3 have done it. They’re just thick as fuck. AN has been as bad for it. Why anyone has any faith is beyond me , I did to start with but that’s all gone. He’s been awful. I do hope you're sticking around to be reminded of this next season to watch him get sacked after 5 or 6 games the way MoN did , he’s clueless are isn’t the manager we need , you’re deluded if you think he is
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Post by shrewspotter on Apr 30, 2023 7:01:04 GMT
Can’t agree. The new manager tries the same as the same old manager and then expects different results. It’s just thick. Not a one of them has played Powell as a 10. Rowett didn’t use Diouf and Bojan and spent 50/60m on shit. They are terrible managers. Having a squad of remotely average players is going to restrict you somewhat. All I’m saying is, we need to stop the manager merry go round and stick with AN. With finances and a full pre season, to clear out any (a lot of) deadwood, then we’ll be in a stronger position. to be fair Michael O'Neil had 2 and half seasons. Jones was a disaster, we were going g down under him have no doubt. Rowett spent 60 million on dross and not one was sold on for any money handicapping us still today, all were overwhelmingly the right choices
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 30, 2023 7:05:16 GMT
Can’t agree. The new manager tries the same as the same old manager and then expects different results. It’s just thick. Not a one of them has played Powell as a 10. Rowett didn’t use Diouf and Bojan and spent 50/60m on shit. They are terrible managers. Two points here Powell has looked fucked as a loan striker since his injury, let alone bombing about in midfield.if you think we have the luxury of a midfielder that doesn't move but looks good on the ball, then you're point answers itself. A midfield of Thompson Powell and Laurent.....you certainly would not want to be Laurent. The midfield had busses run through it until Pearson arrived. A number 10 shouldn’t be bombing around.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 30, 2023 7:05:32 GMT
We're shit top to bottom.
I've not been impressed by Neil one bit but it comes down to recruitment this summer as Neil has at least a record of being better than this. Saying that, if a better manager was available I'd make the change in a heartbeat.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 30, 2023 7:43:36 GMT
It's incredibly rare for a manager to rebuild a squad from scratch and Neil must recognise this is both a golden opportunity and make or break for his career. He's built his own team behind the scenes and all set to put together the side he wants.
Looking at the options:
1 Sack him now. Which would mean also getting rid of his backroom staff and dismantling any of the preparation already in place for next season. If we do get rid we have to do it now but given the club has allowed to recruit his own people it looks incredibly unlikely.
2 Give him the summer and sack him before Xmas if we aren't looking like promotion candidates. Basically this puts us back to square one (worse because we will have blown a wadge of cash on a team to play in a particular way) with a manager that probably has a squad not suited to their style and a backroom to fire and hire. The season will end up the same as this one and people baying for the new managers blood this time next year. This appears to be the majority view on here and presumably based in the belief that we are just the right manager way from being a successful club. Presumably there are a lot of managers on here because they are the only people who have that much faith in managers.
3 Stick with Neil for the season (unless relegation looks like a real possibility come Xmas) and reassess this time next year. This is what will happen because it's the only option that makes any sense
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Post by sportsman on Apr 30, 2023 7:49:45 GMT
I do hope you're sticking around to be reminded of this next season to watch him get sacked after 5 or 6 games the way MoN did , he’s clueless are isn’t the manager we need , you’re deluded if you think he is Your name has been noted for next season as well.
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 30, 2023 7:51:15 GMT
to watch him get sacked after 5 or 6 games the way MoN did , he’s clueless are isn’t the manager we need , you’re deluded if you think he is Your name has been noted for next season as well. Grow up.
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Post by iamstokie on Apr 30, 2023 7:55:41 GMT
It's incredibly rare for a manager to rebuild a squad from scratch and Neil must recognise this is both a golden opportunity and make or break for his career. He's built his own team behind the scenes and all set to put together the side he wants. Looking at the options: 1 Sack him now. Which would mean also getting rid of his backroom staff and dismantling any of the preparation already in place for next season. If we do get rid we have to do it now but given the club has allowed to recruit his own people it looks incredibly unlikely. 2 Give him the summer and sack him before Xmas if we aren't looking like promotion candidates. Basically this puts us back to square one (worse because we will have blown a wadge of cash on a team to play in a particular way) with a manager that probably has a squad not suited to their style and a backroom to fire and hire. The season will end up the same as this one and people baying for the new managers blood this time next year. This appears to be the majority view on here and presumably based in the belief that we are just the right manager way from being a successful club. Presumably there are a lot of managers on here because they are the only people who have that much faith in managers. 3 Stick with Neil for the season (unless relegation looks like a real possibility come Xmas) and reassess this time next year. This is what will happen because it's the only option that makes any sense it’s got to be 1 , or it’s another season or two of dogshit
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Post by Clayton Wood on Apr 30, 2023 8:02:06 GMT
to watch him get sacked after 5 or 6 games the way MoN did , he’s clueless are isn’t the manager we need , you’re deluded if you think he is Your name has been noted for next season as well. Don't tell him Pyke!
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Post by scfcno1fan on Apr 30, 2023 8:13:52 GMT
His post match interview makes me think he thinks he’s in a bit of trouble.
Continually saying we’ll be better next year and he knows how to fix our issues.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 30, 2023 8:38:40 GMT
His post match interview makes me think he thinks he’s in a bit of trouble. Continually saying we’ll be better next year and he knows how to fix our issues. He's basically admitting that he can't coach players to get better.
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Post by swampySCFC on Apr 30, 2023 8:45:24 GMT
He’s got it all to prove for me. We have 2 good away wins and he spouts of about we are starting to look the part then he follows it up with relegation results
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 30, 2023 9:01:51 GMT
Alan McInally post match interview with him after was quite telling in that McInally stopped him talking and said “ I’ve been here the last few weeks for home games and they all follow the same pattern,start well,have all the possession but no goal threat”
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Post by Gods on Apr 30, 2023 9:13:10 GMT
I am drifting dangerously in to the Oscar Wilde camp, and camp he was! Some cause happiness wherever they go; others whenever they go. Oscar Wilde
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Post by pottersrule on Apr 30, 2023 9:29:22 GMT
Alan McInally post match interview with him after was quite telling in that McInally stopped him talking and said “ I’ve been here the last few weeks for home games and they all follow the same pattern,start well,have all the possession but no goal threat” Sums us up perfectly mate.
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Post by swinny on Apr 30, 2023 9:38:13 GMT
His post match interview pretty much says he's got no confidence in this group and expects a big turn around, not sure football is as cut and dry as that.
That said, after Lambert, Rowett, Jones, O'Neil- at what point do we realise the whole culture if the club is fucked, and has been since our 'identity' slowly petered out with Hughes?
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 30, 2023 9:51:17 GMT
A Boskamp-esque rebuild required where he won’t be afforded the luxury of being a mental Dutchman with no experience in English football. I said yesterday it wouldn’t bother me if they sacked him and gave someone else a crack at the task, but you’d think there’s already plenty of work being done to get players in.
Big rebuilds can be and have been successful. Even Boskamp had a squad of complete strangers in the top 6 at Christmas, but football has changed massively since then. One thing is for certain, we need to be working through a monumental list of players given the work that needs to be done. Ideally we need players in quickly and definitely most in before the season starts again.
Hopefully come August we’ll all be excited for what’s to come but if we struggle to get players in, we’re in a world of shit.
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on Apr 30, 2023 9:53:52 GMT
Two points here Powell has looked fucked as a loan striker since his injury, let alone bombing about in midfield.if you think we have the luxury of a midfielder that doesn't move but looks good on the ball, then you're point answers itself. A midfield of Thompson Powell and Laurent.....you certainly would not want to be Laurent. The midfield had busses run through it until Pearson arrived. A number 10 shouldn’t be bombing around. The bare minimum for Man city is hard work, mobility it should be for us. If you think differently then fair enough.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 30, 2023 10:01:50 GMT
Most of the players he got in in Jan.were better than what we had,which wasn't hard truth be told.
So I'm confident he can get the players needed to improve us next season.
Besides who else would Coates get in if he sacked AN?
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 30, 2023 10:11:57 GMT
Most of the players he got in in Jan.were better than what we had,which wasn't hard truth be told. So I'm confident he can get the players needed to improve us next season. Besides who else would Coates get in if he sacked AN? You include Celina and Tuanzebe? And why isn't Sarkic playing now if Neil thinks he's better than Bonham?
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