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Post by matelot1996 on Mar 12, 2023 12:36:49 GMT
I wasn’t going to read the Guardian This Morning but that post saved me the bother. It’s clear from your ramblings that most of your brain capacity is occupied processing your irrational hatred of the Tories. Your post is full of bile and nonsense without actually answering my question. Just keep screaming hyperbole like racist, vile, scum and extreme right wing and you lose any credibility. I prefer my politics and moderate adult conversations. "irrational hatred of the Tories." Irrational? Why is it irrational? Because they've done such a sterling job of running the country? Because there haven't been numerous claims of them sticking their snouts in the trough and helping themselves to public funds? Because they didn't crash the economy and decimate people's pension funds? Because they didn't prosecute people for breaking rules they made up but broke themselves? I'm intrigued. If you read the original post and the reply you will get a better idea. He went into a standard lefty ramble full of irrational hyperbole about the Tories rather than answering a simple question. You, therefore, in the act of piggy-backing the conversation are guilty of the same thing. |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Mar 12, 2023 12:38:47 GMT
I wasn’t going to read the Guardian This Morning but that post saved me the bother. It’s clear from your ramblings that most of your brain capacity is occupied processing your irrational hatred of the Tories. Your post is full of bile and nonsense without actually answering my question. Just keep screaming hyperbole like racist, vile, scum and extreme right wing and you lose any credibility. I prefer my politics and moderate adult conversations. "irrational hatred of the Tories." Irrational? Why is it irrational? Because they've done such a sterling job of running the country? Because there haven't been numerous claims of them sticking their snouts in the trough and helping themselves to public funds? Because they didn't crash the economy and decimate people's pension funds? Because they didn't prosecute people for breaking rules they made up but broke themselves? I'm intrigued. As the last Labour government did a sterling job?? Illegal war which cost many young people their lives. Did human rights lawyer chery Blair not benefited from her husbands stint as PM?? is that like the blair/brown policies bankrupting the country and good old honest Gordon brown son of a working class minister dipping into the uk pension funds to hide the mess he was making?? Breaking policies..again a bit like the illegal invasion of Iraq.?? To every coin is 2 sides.. it just depends how we look at that coin.. I've always thought the majority of people have their political views ingrained into them as they grow up... but I do find it strange that...for example an area like south Wales has always had labour mps representing that area..whether under a tory or Labour government. And it will probably have Labour mp's representing them for the next 100 yrs..because that's what they do..yet through all this south Wales is still a shit hole, dying towns, high unemployment, little or no new industry... yet the people will still put their x in the Labour box next election suddenly expecting things to change....that could be said for many areas across the UK.. but hey ho let's all blame the tory fir us voting for the same shit representatives year after year. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 12, 2023 12:42:47 GMT
Let's bring you some viewing figures which we've just been made aware of from our entertainment correspondent Lizo Mzimba. He tweets: "Last night's Match of the Day was watched by 2.58m TV viewers on BBC One. "Up nearly half a million on last Saturday's figure of 2.09 million according to BARB overnights. "It's the show's biggest audience since 5 November 2022 when 2.63m watched." Looks like a lot more people watched it without presenters. Hard to know how to interpret that. |
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Post by elystokie on Mar 12, 2023 12:49:49 GMT
"irrational hatred of the Tories." Irrational? Why is it irrational? Because they've done such a sterling job of running the country? Because there haven't been numerous claims of them sticking their snouts in the trough and helping themselves to public funds? Because they didn't crash the economy and decimate people's pension funds? Because they didn't prosecute people for breaking rules they made up but broke themselves? I'm intrigued. As the last Labour government did a sterling job?? Illegal war which cost many young people their lives. Did human rights lawyer chery Blair not benefited from her husbands stint as PM?? is that like the blair/brown policies bankrupting the country and good old honest Gordon brown son of a working class minister dipping into the uk pension funds to hide the mess he was making?? Breaking policies..again a bit like the illegal invasion of Iraq.?? To every coin is 2 sides.. it just depends how we look at that coin.. I've always thought the majority of people have their political views ingrained into them as they grow up... but I do find it strange that...for example an area like south Wales has always had labour mps representing that area..whether under a tory or Labour government. And it will probably have Labour mp's representing them for the next 100 yrs..because that's what they do..yet through all this south Wales is still a shit hole, dying towns, high unemployment, little or no new industry... yet the people will still put their x in the Labour box next election suddenly expecting things to change....that could be said for many areas across the UK.. but hey ho let's all blame the tory fir us voting for the same shit representatives year after year. There's probably some sort of correlation between the funding a place gets and it's political allegiance, if it's not with the government then they don't get the funding, we've seen it in Stoke for years. The point is, given their record, you could hardly describe the viewpoint as 'irrational' - it's anything but. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 12, 2023 12:50:06 GMT
Let's bring you some viewing figures which we've just been made aware of from our entertainment correspondent Lizo Mzimba. He tweets: "Last night's Match of the Day was watched by 2.58m TV viewers on BBC One. "Up nearly half a million on last Saturday's figure of 2.09 million according to BARB overnights. "It's the show's biggest audience since 5 November 2022 when 2.63m watched." Looks like a lot more people watched it without presenters. Hard to know how to interpret that. It isn’t really, interest was whipped up by the intense, constant coverage of the story and the curiosity factor will have inflated things. In 2-3 weeks time I’d be staggered if the number was still that big. |
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Post by elystokie on Mar 12, 2023 12:51:22 GMT
"irrational hatred of the Tories." Irrational? Why is it irrational? Because they've done such a sterling job of running the country? Because there haven't been numerous claims of them sticking their snouts in the trough and helping themselves to public funds? Because they didn't crash the economy and decimate people's pension funds? Because they didn't prosecute people for breaking rules they made up but broke themselves? I'm intrigued. If you read the original post and the reply you will get a better idea. He went into a standard lefty ramble full of irrational hyperbole about the Tories rather than answering a simple question. You, therefore, in the act of piggy-backing the conversation are guilty of the same thing. That doesn't make his hatred irrational tho does it? They way he presents his viewpoint doesn't necessarily negate it's validity. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Mar 12, 2023 12:53:09 GMT
Hard to know how to interpret that. It isn’t really, interest was whipped up by the intense, constant coverage of the story and the curiosity factor will have inflated things. In 2-3 weeks time I’d be staggered if the number was still that big. It’ll be interesting to see the whole thing plays out. |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Mar 12, 2023 13:00:24 GMT
As the last Labour government did a sterling job?? Illegal war which cost many young people their lives. Did human rights lawyer chery Blair not benefited from her husbands stint as PM?? is that like the blair/brown policies bankrupting the country and good old honest Gordon brown son of a working class minister dipping into the uk pension funds to hide the mess he was making?? Breaking policies..again a bit like the illegal invasion of Iraq.?? To every coin is 2 sides.. it just depends how we look at that coin.. I've always thought the majority of people have their political views ingrained into them as they grow up... but I do find it strange that...for example an area like south Wales has always had labour mps representing that area..whether under a tory or Labour government. And it will probably have Labour mp's representing them for the next 100 yrs..because that's what they do..yet through all this south Wales is still a shit hole, dying towns, high unemployment, little or no new industry... yet the people will still put their x in the Labour box next election suddenly expecting things to change....that could be said for many areas across the UK.. but hey ho let's all blame the tory fir us voting for the same shit representatives year after year. There's probably some sort of correlation between the funding a place gets and it's political allegiance, if it's not with the government then they don't get the funding, we've seen it in Stoke for years. The point is, given their record, you could hardly describe the viewpoint as 'irrational' - it's anything but. As I said whether under a labour or tory government south Wales is still a shit hole.....maybe the local mp's aren't doing a very good job in representing the needs of their communities |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2023 13:07:16 GMT
This storm is all about an ex footballer who thinks the world need to hear his political views.. I don't watch MOTD now mainly because I can't stand the smug, arrogant, self righteous and over paid Mr Linekar So I sure as hell have no more interest in listening to his political views than he has of mine.. The sooner these celebs just get on with their jobs and not lecture everybody else the better... Here's hoping for a new modern style of MOTD without a 30 yrs retired ex player. I totally agree but there is more to Lineker than being smug , arrogant self righteous and over paid . Unlike Denise Coates , who earns lots of money and pays her taxes on it , Lineker wants to give his views and be a tax avoider . challenged by the HMRC , who claimed his tax avoidance is illegal and threatened to take him to court , Lineker said okay I will pay them but then I am also contesting them . This means in effect , he can afford to pay his taxes ( like Denise Coates ) , he just doesn't want to . So arrogant self righteous man , who doesn't want to pay his taxes and is doing everything in his power to get out of paying them, is going around telling people who do pay their taxes ( your average working man , who pays PAYE) , that they want their taxes spent on this and that . THEIR taxes ! He personally will be doing his best to pay no tax at all . |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Mar 12, 2023 13:12:28 GMT
This storm is all about an ex footballer who thinks the world need to hear his political views.. I don't watch MOTD now mainly because I can't stand the smug, arrogant, self righteous and over paid Mr Linekar So I sure as hell have no more interest in listening to his political views than he has of mine.. The sooner these celebs just get on with their jobs and not lecture everybody else the better... Here's hoping for a new modern style of MOTD without a 30 yrs retired ex player. I totally agree but there is more to Lineker than being smug , arrogant self righteous and over paid . Unlike Denise Coates , who earns lots of money and pays her taxes on it , Lineker wants to give his views and be a tax avoider . challenged by the HMRC , who claimed his tax avoidance is illegal and threatened to take him to court , Lineker said okay I will pay them but then I am also contesting them . This means in effect , he can afford to pay his taxes ( like Denise Coates ) , he just doesn't want to . So arrogant self righteous man , who doesn't want to pay his taxes and is doing everything in his power to get out of paying them, is going around telling people who do pay their taxes ( your average working man , who pays PAYE) , that they want their taxes spent on this and that . THEIR taxes ! He personally will be doing his best to pay no tax at all . Wow.. I didn't realise that good old multi millionaire voice of the people linekar is a tax avoider.. another reason for me not to want to hear his empty views on all things political.. Best put your tin hat on though. The majority view on here is he's the Knight in shining white armour riding in to bring some moral compass to this country.. |
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Post by elystokie on Mar 12, 2023 13:13:41 GMT
There's probably some sort of correlation between the funding a place gets and it's political allegiance, if it's not with the government then they don't get the funding, we've seen it in Stoke for years. The point is, given their record, you could hardly describe the viewpoint as 'irrational' - it's anything but. As I said whether under a labour or tory government south Wales is still a shit hole.....maybe the local mp's aren't doing a very good job in representing the needs of their communities Yes ok, maybe they're not, but since the Tories got elected in Stoke it seems funding has been forthcoming that wasn't available before, I don't imagine it'd be any different under Labour if it was Labour MPs and a Labour government but there's a few years catching up to be done before we're anywhere near parity. All of this is completely by the by, it still doesn't make his viewpoint of 'hating Tories' in any way irrational. |
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Post by werrington on Mar 12, 2023 13:14:54 GMT
Let’s cut to the chase mate They hide behind the fact he’s too old when what they really mean us they don’t like him due to his his views They aren’t appearing on the apprentice thread or any old top gear threads to voice their disapproval Leave them too it Probably because I couldn't care less about the apprentice or a car show.. I'm interested in football and don't like football presenters mis using their privilege to push their personal views. Also if you read my earlier posts youll see I don't like Lineker because of his smug arrogant attitude presenting MOTD.. bit yes I do believe the show needs updating with fresh presenters.. What do you think about John Walters? |
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Post by citynickscfc on Mar 12, 2023 13:15:35 GMT
Just out of interest what is wrong with sharing views? Additionally how is it different to posting on a forum on the internet? I thought it was considered a basic human right to have a voice? Deeply worried by the confused ideologies even within the microcosm of this thread. It's my human right that I dont want to listen to multi millionaire ex footballers telling me their political views. I can post on the Internet as I don't have a contract requesting I remain impartial on sensitive issues. Personally I don't actually believe Mr linekar gives a damn about the chaos on our South Coast towns due to illegal immigrants...it would of been refreshing if Mr linekar had remembered to local people living in South Coast towns whose lives and livelihoods are being affected by the influx of illegal immigrants..or even how hotels have been taken over to house these people free of charge because we have nowhere else to house them...bit those views don't meet the new woke views were having forced on us. It's funny that despite giving his views on qatar during the world cup...it didn't stop him remembering and carrying out his contract with the BBC to spend 5 weeks in a 5star Qatar Hotel while filling his inst page with snaps of him and shearer enjoying the sightseeing.. .. shame he didn't remember his contract before his latest outburst. He's just another overpaid celeb who thinks he has to be hip with his leftie views... Are they outside your house shouting at you, so you don't have a choice to listen? That's russian/nazi style propaganda. I usually turn off the television to save electricity when I'm not watching it. You should probably call the police. Then again they might say something you don't want to hear 🤷♂️ |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 12, 2023 13:16:40 GMT
I’m just highlighting what he is  Isn’t he also the son of parents who were migrants themselves in the 60’s? You’d think he’d know better right? |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Mar 12, 2023 13:21:50 GMT
As I said whether under a labour or tory government south Wales is still a shit hole.....maybe the local mp's aren't doing a very good job in representing the needs of their communities Yes ok, maybe they're not, but since the Tories got elected in Stoke it seems funding has been forthcoming that wasn't available before, I don't imagine it'd be any different under Labour if it was Labour MPs and a Labour government but there's a few years catching up to be done before we're anywhere near parity. All of this is completely by the by, it still doesn't make his viewpoint of 'hating Tories' in any way irrational. I'm glad Stoke have had more funding.. Not in one post I have posted have I said linekars view is irrational... |
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Post by elystokie on Mar 12, 2023 13:25:28 GMT
Yes ok, maybe they're not, but since the Tories got elected in Stoke it seems funding has been forthcoming that wasn't available before, I don't imagine it'd be any different under Labour if it was Labour MPs and a Labour government but there's a few years catching up to be done before we're anywhere near parity. All of this is completely by the by, it still doesn't make his viewpoint of 'hating Tories' in any way irrational. Not in one post I have posted have I said linekars view is irrational. If you go back to my original reply to matelot1996 it was his point about an 'irrational' rant from another poster that I was responding to, I assumed you'd read it. I thought it would follow therefore that your point would be at least somewhat relevant to that point and interacted accordingly. Edit - nobody except you in this exchange has said anything about Linnekker |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2023 13:25:51 GMT
I totally agree but there is more to Lineker than being smug , arrogant self righteous and over paid . Unlike Denise Coates , who earns lots of money and pays her taxes on it , Lineker wants to give his views and be a tax avoider . challenged by the HMRC , who claimed his tax avoidance is illegal and threatened to take him to court , Lineker said okay I will pay them but then I am also contesting them . This means in effect , he can afford to pay his taxes ( like Denise Coates ) , he just doesn't want to . So arrogant self righteous man , who doesn't want to pay his taxes and is doing everything in his power to get out of paying them, is going around telling people who do pay their taxes ( your average working man , who pays PAYE) , that they want their taxes spent on this and that . THEIR taxes ! He personally will be doing his best to pay no tax at all . Wow.. I didn't realise that good old multi millionaire voice of the people linekar is a tax avoider.. another reason for me not to want to hear his empty views on all things political.. Best put your tin hat on though. The majority view on here is he's the Knight in shining white armour riding in to bring some moral compass to this country.. yep , as you rightly point out , the intelligent amongst us , know that if we only had more tax avoidance in this country, everything would be okay . as you point out , lack of housing , food poverty etc , could all be cured by more tax avoidance . millionaires like denise coates who pay their taxes ,are the cause of all our problems . give us more fake socialists like lineker , who spout solidarity with the working man , while refusing to pay their taxes and the world will be a better place |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Mar 12, 2023 13:33:04 GMT
Wow.. I didn't realise that good old multi millionaire voice of the people linekar is a tax avoider.. another reason for me not to want to hear his empty views on all things political.. Best put your tin hat on though. The majority view on here is he's the Knight in shining white armour riding in to bring some moral compass to this country.. yep , as you rightly point out , the intelligent amongst us , know that if we only had more tax avoidance in this country, everything would be okay . as you point out , lack of housing , food poverty etc , could all be cured by more tax avoidance . millionaires like denise coates who pay their taxes ,are the cause of all our problems . give us more fake socialists like lineker , who spout solidarity with the working man , while refusing to pay their taxes and the world will be a better place Maybe Mr Linekar....as a good will gesture and in keeping with his beliefs could match the amount of tax he owes the British government and build some nice shiny new housing in his nice upper class English village he has his mansion home to house the asylum seekers he claims he is speaking up for.. now that would be a man putting his money where his mouth and beliefs apparently are. |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Mar 12, 2023 13:36:29 GMT
Not in one post I have posted have I said linekars view is irrational. If you go back to my original reply to matelot1996 it was his point about an 'irrational' rant from another poster that I was responding to, I assumed you'd read it. I thought it would follow therefore that your point would be at least somewhat relevant to that point and interacted accordingly. Edit - nobody except you in this exchange has said anything about Linnekker Who is the "his viewpoint of hating the tories" referring to you mention in this exchange please. |
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Post by elystokie on Mar 12, 2023 13:44:01 GMT
If you go back to my original reply to matelot1996 it was his point about an 'irrational' rant from another poster that I was responding to, I assumed you'd read it. I thought it would follow therefore that your point would be at least somewhat relevant to that point and interacted accordingly. Edit - nobody except you in this exchange has said anything about Linnekker Who is the "his viewpoint of hating the tories" referring to you mention in this exchange please. Hang on while I scroll back through the thread and check that for you 🙄 It was a reply from matelot1996 to pottypotterer where matelot1996 accused him of an 'irrational' hatred, so I suppose 'his views' could mean either of them, you quoted something I hadn't said so I'm a bit confused. Either way, it seems you got the wrong end of the stick, or the wrong stick  Edit - don't know what happened there, seems you changed it from 'his views' whilst I was checking the thread for you! Talk about dirty tactics! |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Mar 12, 2023 13:48:00 GMT
Probably because I couldn't care less about the apprentice or a car show.. I'm interested in football and don't like football presenters mis using their privilege to push their personal views. Also if you read my earlier posts youll see I don't like Lineker because of his smug arrogant attitude presenting MOTD.. bit yes I do believe the show needs updating with fresh presenters.. What do you think about John Walters? Love John Walters, was part of a Stoke city squad which gave me some of the best years years following Stoke since started 49 yrs ago.. My only interest on John Walters is what he did on the football pitch and his views towards Stoke city now.. i have no interest in hearing his political, religious or any other sort of views. To me he is a Stoke city legend not a social or political guru. |
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Mar 12, 2023 13:49:43 GMT
Who is the "his viewpoint of hating the tories" referring to you mention in this exchange please. Hang on while I scroll back through the thread and check that for you 🙄 It was a reply from matelot1996 to pottypotterer where matelot1996 accused him of an 'irrational' hatred, so I suppose 'his views' could mean either of them, you quoted something I hadn't said so I'm a bit confused. Either way, it seems you got the wrong end of the stick, or the wrong stick Edit - don't know what happened there, seems you changed it from 'his views' whilst I was checking the thread for you! Talk about dirty tactics! Just making sure I put the correct language in print.. Have a good day been interesting chatting with you. |
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Post by matelot1996 on Mar 12, 2023 14:34:23 GMT
If you read the original post and the reply you will get a better idea. He went into a standard lefty ramble full of irrational hyperbole about the Tories rather than answering a simple question. You, therefore, in the act of piggy-backing the conversation are guilty of the same thing. That doesn't make his hatred irrational tho does it? They way he presents his viewpoint doesn't necessarily negate it's validity. I disagree. If a predisposition to Hatred or Fear of something prevents you from focussing on a sensible response to a simple statement then I suggest it’s entirely irrational. |
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Post by elystokie on Mar 12, 2023 14:37:55 GMT
That doesn't make his hatred irrational tho does it? They way he presents his viewpoint doesn't necessarily negate it's validity. I disagree. If a predisposition to Hatred or Fear of something prevents you from focussing on a sensible response to a simple statement then I suggest it’s entirely irrational. Again, the way he presents the viewpoint does not make the viewpoint itself irrational, it might make the way he's presented it irrational but if the viewpoint is based on sound principles like the ones I outlined previously then it's surely not an irrational viewpoint. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 12, 2023 14:47:42 GMT
As I said whether under a labour or tory government south Wales is still a shit hole.....maybe the local mp's aren't doing a very good job in representing the needs of their communities Yes ok, maybe they're not, but since the Tories got elected in Stoke it seems funding has been forthcoming that wasn't available before, I don't imagine it'd be any different under Labour if it was Labour MPs and a Labour government but there's a few years catching up to be done before we're anywhere near parity. All of this is completely by the by, it still doesn't make his viewpoint of 'hating Tories' in any way irrational. Hating is often damaging to the hater than the hated Therefore It’s probably better to stay on the strongly dislike side of the fence for ones own health and well being |
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Post by werrington on Mar 12, 2023 14:50:14 GMT
What do you think about John Walters? Love John Walters, was part of a Stoke city squad which gave me some of the best years years following Stoke since started 49 yrs ago.. My only interest on John Walters is what he did on the football pitch and his views towards Stoke city now.. i have no interest in hearing his political, religious or any other sort of views. To me he is a Stoke city legend not a social or political guru. But I’ve never seen you get vocal or come on here criticising him for it as after all ( using your stance ) he shouldn’t be pushing his personal views on social media …..probably because you agreed with his views Let’s leave it at that |
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Post by matelot1996 on Mar 12, 2023 14:53:06 GMT
I disagree. If a predisposition to Hatred or Fear of something prevents you from focussing on a sensible response to a simple statement then I suggest it’s entirely irrational. Again, the way he presents the viewpoint does not make the viewpoint itself irrational, it might make the way he's presented it irrational but if the viewpoint is based on sound principles like the ones I outlined previously then it's surely not an irrational viewpoint. Again, using ridiculous, inappropriate Hyperbole like vile, scum, extreme far right instead of answering a simple question makes it entirely irrational. This rhetoric and behaviour should NEVER be considered rational. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Mar 12, 2023 14:56:56 GMT
As I said whether under a labour or tory government south Wales is still a shit hole.....maybe the local mp's aren't doing a very good job in representing the needs of their communities Yes ok, maybe they're not, but since the Tories got elected in Stoke it seems funding has been forthcoming that wasn't available before, I don't imagine it'd be any different under Labour if it was Labour MPs and a Labour government but there's a few years catching up to be done before we're anywhere near parity. All of this is completely by the by, it still doesn't make his viewpoint of 'hating Tories' in any way irrational. Labour saw Stoke as a guaranteed seat, they didn't have to invest here as people voted based on family or community tradition rather than their own personal interest. It works either way. I worked in Cheshire in the early 2000s and after the Labour party were reelected despite us being the best performing unit in the country our jobs were shipped off to the safe labour seats in north east England. Political parties and politicians purely exist to perpetuate themselves and their agendas. Serving the public is last on their list of things to do. |
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Post by elystokie on Mar 12, 2023 15:09:04 GMT
Again, the way he presents the viewpoint does not make the viewpoint itself irrational, it might make the way he's presented it irrational but if the viewpoint is based on sound principles like the ones I outlined previously then it's surely not an irrational viewpoint. Again, using ridiculous, inappropriate Hyperbole like vile, scum, extreme far right instead of answering a simple question makes it entirely irrational. This rhetoric and behaviour should NEVER be considered rational. No, it makes that particular behaviour irrational, if he has a valid reason for hating them then his viewpoint isn't irrational. If said Tories had bestowed upon him a better life, more freedoms, more human rights, a safer environment, untold riches etc. then I could go some way to agreeing with you. I doubt that they have. |
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Post by elystokie on Mar 12, 2023 15:09:31 GMT
Yes ok, maybe they're not, but since the Tories got elected in Stoke it seems funding has been forthcoming that wasn't available before, I don't imagine it'd be any different under Labour if it was Labour MPs and a Labour government but there's a few years catching up to be done before we're anywhere near parity. All of this is completely by the by, it still doesn't make his viewpoint of 'hating Tories' in any way irrational. Labour saw Stoke as a guaranteed seat, they didn't have to invest here as people voted based on family or community tradition rather than their own personal interest. It works either way. I worked in Cheshire in the early 2000s and after the Labour party were reelected despite us being the best performing unit in the country our jobs were shipped off to the safe labour seats in north east England. Political parties and politicians purely exist to perpetuate themselves and their agendas. Serving the public is last on their list of things to do. I agree. |
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